Nehalem coming soon .

[taltamir]

mmm.. and I just bought a Q6600 (It arrived in the mail TODAY, G0 SLACR, I just now got a desired OC and am prowling the forums while it is stress testing).

then again. nehalem requires a new mobo, from the X58 chipset (so well over 200$ for mobo) with DDR3 ram (again, well over 200$).
Considering that as of right now there is no known way to OC it, it would be at least 800$ out of pocked to upgrade to a nehalem system, and get an overall slower system then what I have right now.

The inability of nehalem to OC makes it completely useless to the enthisiant who refuses to pay 1000$ for a CPU (and 300$ ram and 300$ mobo).

 

[dakels]

Originally posted by: taltamir
mmm.. and I just bought a Q6600 (It arrived in the mail TODAY, G0 SLACR, I just now got a desired OC and am prowling the forums while it is stress testing).

then again. nehalem requires a new mobo, from the X58 chipset (so well over 200$ for mobo) with DDR3 ram (again, well over 200$).
Considering that as of right now there is no known way to OC it, it would be at least 800$ out of pocked to upgrade to a nehalem system, and get an overall slower system then what I have right now.

The inability of nehalem to OC makes it completely useless to the enthisiant who refuses to pay 1000$ for a CPU (and 300$ ram and 300$ mobo).

What do you mean? (I know nothing about Nehalem) All chips are locked or something?

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: dakels

Originally posted by: taltamir
mmm.. and I just bought a Q6600 (It arrived in the mail TODAY, G0 SLACR, I just now got a desired OC and am prowling the forums while it is stress testing).

then again. nehalem requires a new mobo, from the X58 chipset (so well over 200$ for mobo) with DDR3 ram (again, well over 200$).
Considering that as of right now there is no known way to OC it, it would be at least 800$ out of pocked to upgrade to a nehalem system, and get an overall slower system then what I have right now.

The inability of nehalem to OC makes it completely useless to the enthisiant who refuses to pay 1000$ for a CPU (and 300$ ram and 300$ mobo).

What do you mean? (I know nothing about Nehalem) All chips are locked or something?

I think Taltimir is referring to a rumour that has not been confirmed by anyone.

 

[geoffry]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: dakels

Originally posted by: taltamir
mmm.. and I just bought a Q6600 (It arrived in the mail TODAY, G0 SLACR, I just now got a desired OC and am prowling the forums while it is stress testing).

then again. nehalem requires a new mobo, from the X58 chipset (so well over 200$ for mobo) with DDR3 ram (again, well over 200$).
Considering that as of right now there is no known way to OC it, it would be at least 800$ out of pocked to upgrade to a nehalem system, and get an overall slower system then what I have right now.

The inability of nehalem to OC makes it completely useless to the enthisiant who refuses to pay 1000$ for a CPU (and 300$ ram and 300$ mobo).

What do you mean? (I know nothing about Nehalem) All chips are locked or something?

I think Taltimir is referring to a rumour that has not been confirmed by anyone.

But that rumour was of the cheapo non Bloomfield CPUs.

The rumours never said anything about Bloomfield chips being unoverclockable.

 

[taltamir]

define el cheapo please.

If this turns out to be an unsubstantiated rumor or something then I would definitely be a happy camper. but if it isn't then short of spending 1500+$ it will not be a speed upgrade for me.

 

[Extelleron]

Originally posted by: taltamir
define el cheapo please.

If this turns out to be an unsubstantiated rumor or something then I would definitely be a happy camper. but if it isn't then short of spending 1500+$ it will not be a speed upgrade for me.

LGA 1366 is the enthusiast platform and according to the current information we have, it will be the only Nehalem platform that can be overclocked.

LGA 1160 is the mainstream, where you will see dual core CPUs w/ built in GPU + lower end quad cores. Unless current rumors are wrong it will not be capable of being overclocked as there is no clock on the motherboard that can be manipulated to affect CPU clock, and the multipliers are of course locked. Everything is on the CPU with LGA 1160 CPUs so your motherboard will be apparently powerless to change the clocks.

Apparently LGA 1366 CPUs will be pretty cheap though, since they will start out at $284 for 2.66GHz QC that should be faster in most everything than the QX9770.

 

[VirtualLarry]

The biggest questions that I have revolve around the new X58 motherboards. Will they be overclockable at the start, or will those boards only appear later on?

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: Extelleron

Originally posted by: taltamir
define el cheapo please.

If this turns out to be an unsubstantiated rumor or something then I would definitely be a happy camper. but if it isn't then short of spending 1500+$ it will not be a speed upgrade for me.

LGA 1366 is the enthusiast platform and according to the current information we have, it will be the only Nehalem platform that can be overclocked.

LGA 1160 is the mainstream, where you will see dual core CPUs w/ built in GPU + lower end quad cores. Unless current rumors are wrong it will not be capable of being overclocked as there is no clock on the motherboard that can be manipulated to affect CPU clock, and the multipliers are of course locked. Everything is on the CPU with LGA 1160 CPUs so your motherboard will be apparently powerless to change the clocks.

Apparently LGA 1366 CPUs will be pretty cheap though, since they will start out at $284 for 2.66GHz QC that should be faster in most everything than the QX9770.

That doesnt exactly explain it. The FSB will be done away with completely on BOTH sockets, so the CPU speed will be determined the same way on both. It will be up to the motherboard manufacturers on both platforms to give us the tool to overclock. If they can do it on Bloomfield, they should be able to do it on the "mainstream" socket as well, unless Intel takes an extra step to lock it.

Again, this is entirely possible, and I wouldnt put it past Intel to do it, but there just hasnt been anything credible that says it is happening.

 

[GundamF91]

So.....with triple-channel, will there be 6 slots on the mainboard? That'll be added cost for the X58 mobo as well. That also sucks that the mainstream system won't be overclockable. Bad move on Intel's part because the enthusiast version will probably be too costly for average joe.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: GundamF91
So.....with triple-channel, will there be 6 slots on the mainboard? That'll be added cost for the X58 mobo as well. That also sucks that the mainstream system won't be overclockable. Bad move on Intel's part because the enthusiast version will probably be too costly for average joe.

Not sure if the boards are still going to be configured this way...but a while back everyone was talking about the boards still coming with only 4 DIMM slots configured such that the slots 1, 2 & 3 would be teamed for single/double/triple channel (depending on how many slots are populated) while the fourth slot would only function as single-channel when populated (even if the other 3 slots are operating in triple-channel)...with the caveat expectation that the fastest ram would be accessed first, slowest ram accessed last.

 

[taltamir]

I would LOVE for mobos to start coming with 6 slots... 4 slots is way too little.
Budget boards could come with only 3 slots... (one set of triple channel). that will be the best IMAO.

 

[harpoon84]

Originally posted by: taltamir
I would LOVE for mobos to start coming with 6 slots... 4 slots is way too little.
Budget boards could come with only 3 slots... (one set of triple channel). that will be the best IMAO.

There won't be 'budget' X58 mobos, and the mainstream Nehalems use dual channel anyway, so it'll be 4 slots as per usual.

 

[Dadofamunky]

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Originally posted by: Chiropteran

Originally posted by: aigomorla

As for the ram, I thought you need to populate all 6 slots i thought for trichannel to work no?

That would be hex (6) channel. Tri channel needs 3 slots, just as dual channel needs 2 slots.

ahhh i see..

cuz all the machines ive seen, trust me not public, had all 6 slots populated.

Good grief. One-tenth of one percent will effectively use 12 GB. (Rough guess.) I'm sure I never come close to pushing my 8 GB setup, I just did it cause it was cheap... Also, my guess is that this launch will be minimum 4 cores, with 8 cores being a primary push. The software jocks are buried, we don't even use what we have now for any mainstream stuff. If I'm right, it's as though you'd be building an enterprise server as your main home desktop. Vista? XP? Forget it. What's the point? Windows 2008 Server? Fedora Core 9? Probably...

It looks like their new architecture kicks, so I'll be looking to possibly do a new build in a year or two. But I'm beginning to wonder jsut how successful this launch is going to be. Talk about overkill! Yeah, it'd be the biggest e-penis on the block for months, but Intel seems to typically release their high-end parts first and to target the enterprise/server markets initially with this type of release, as I'm sure everybody knows. I know for sure I won't get one. There's no need, what I have is MORE than good enough. Not that there's anything wrong with doing so if you've got the scratch...

 

[taltamir]

there are 4GB modules now... so 6x4 = 24GB of ram.

 

[Quiksilver]

Originally posted by: taltamir
The inability of nehalem to OC makes it completely useless to the enthisiant who refuses to pay 1000$ for a CPU (and 300$ ram and 300$ mobo).

I'm pretty sure that was already debunked and said to be false.

 

[imported_Starglider]

I'm certainly glad it has 6 slots. My current 8-core Xeon workstation has an Asus 6-slot board with 12 gigs of RAM, and I easily use them all on a daily basis (testing machine learning algorithms on large datasets). When Nehalem comes out hopefully someone will make a 12 slot DP workstation board, then I can fit 48 gigs or DDR3 and almost completely eliminate disk accesses during an analysis run.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: Dadofamunky
Good grief. One-tenth of one percent will effectively use 12 GB. (Rough guess.) I'm sure I never come close to pushing my 8 GB setup, I just did it cause it was cheap... Also, my guess is that this launch will be minimum 4 cores, with 8 cores being a primary push. The software jocks are buried, we don't even use what we have now for any mainstream stuff. If I'm right, it's as though you'd be building an enterprise server as your main home desktop. Vista? XP? Forget it. What's the point? Windows 2008 Server? Fedora Core 9? Probably...

It looks like their new architecture kicks, so I'll be looking to possibly do a new build in a year or two. But I'm beginning to wonder jsut how successful this launch is going to be. Talk about overkill! Yeah, it'd be the biggest e-penis on the block for months, but Intel seems to typically release their high-end parts first and to target the enterprise/server markets initially with this type of release, as I'm sure everybody knows. I know for sure I won't get one. There's no need, what I have is MORE than good enough. Not that there's anything wrong with doing so if you've got the scratch...

I'm guessing the percentage of desktop consumers who would need 12GB is probably about the same as the percentage of desktop consumers who would need 8 threads on Nehalem running at 3.2Ghz or faster.

Same percentage with tri-SLI...

 

[Keysplayr]

Sounds pretty good. Now if only the storage industry can get a move on and remove the HDD bottlenecks. SSD drives are pretty kewl, but I hope we don't have to deal with hard disk drives much longer. All this power, enormous amounts of RAM and multi-core processors could be so much more without this bottleneck.

I heard that the 4 core (8 logical) Nehalem would debut at 312.00. And DDR3 is still wayyy too pricey.
I probably won't be upgrading anytime soon. I'll have to wait till DDR3 comes down to earth.

 

[TaylorTech]

DDR2 prices dropped pretty sharp not long after their release. But for some reason DDR3 just wants to be just out of reach.

 

[dakels]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Sounds pretty good. Now if only the storage industry can get a move on and remove the HDD bottlenecks. SSD drives are pretty kewl, but I hope we don't have to deal with hard disk drives much longer. All this power, enormous amounts of RAM and multi-core processors could be so much more without this bottleneck.

I heard that the 4 core (8 logical) Nehalem would debut at 312.00. And DDR3 is still wayyy too pricey.
I probably won't be upgrading anytime soon. I'll have to wait till DDR3 comes down to earth.

Wouldn't better usage or cache/ram help this matter immensely? I remember in my old days of using ram drives for photoshop cache and protools undo's. Even throwing the whole app folder and files in a ramdisk to work on. With 8gb+ ram so feasible and cheap, I am amazed at how much software is bottlenecking us. Low utilization of quad cores, most systems unable to see past 3.5gb ram (lets face it, most of us are on XP for good reason), and even if are running Vista64, how many apps will really effectively utilize 8gb ram to cache? I don't know how good superfetch is but I haven't heard anything amazing. More the contrary.

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Sounds pretty good. Now if only the storage industry can get a move on and remove the HDD bottlenecks. SSD drives are pretty kewl, but I hope we don't have to deal with hard disk drives much longer. All this power, enormous amounts of RAM and multi-core processors could be so much more without this bottleneck.

I heard that the 4 core (8 logical) Nehalem would debut at 312.00. And DDR3 is still wayyy too pricey.
I probably won't be upgrading anytime soon. I'll have to wait till DDR3 comes down to earth.

Doe... you dont know how much i agree with you.

This is why im so desperately looking for another controller card to pair up my 6 raptors i have.

 

[dakels]

At least SSD is starting to make drastic cuts in price. Hell, I would buy this SSD as a boot drive.

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: dakels
At least SSD is starting to make drastic cuts in price. Hell, I would buy this SSD as a boot drive.

i heard those arent that much better then a velociraptor.

Dont get me wrong, as soon as some really nice and fast SSD's drop to around the 200 dollar range, im grabbing 6 of them.

However thats gonna take a while for the ones im looking at.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: Extelleron

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Originally posted by: Extelleron


X58 boards are not going to cost $300-400. I don't know exactly how much they will retail for but I doubt they will sell for much more than X38/X48 motherboards. I suspect you will see most boards in the $200-250 range, with the best versions selling for $300. The only real reason to expect prices to be higher is the addition of the nF200 chip for SLI compatability.

12GB of ram? Why on earth would anyone want 12GB of RAM?

I'd say 3GB of DDR3 will be the way to go with the tri-channel interface.

heh...

i dont know the prices on boards. I was basing them off enterprise counterparts.

As for the ram, I thought you need to populate all 6 slots i thought for trichannel to work no? To be honest, there isnt a beta board out there where the DDR3 feature is working. I heard Foxconn was very close. But i havent heard after that.

6GB is doable, however there isnt that big of a break out point between 6 and 12 if your looking at DDR3 as long as you chose a more conservative company.

I don't see any reason why more than 3 slots need to be populated. With dual-channel now all you need is two slots to be filled with memory and with tri-channel you should need three filled.

It would be seem to be that 6GB or 12GB would be overkill unless you are doing something out of the ordinary with your system. With 4GB now I have more than enough memory and I didn't feel I was being held back with 2GB of memory when I had that either. 3GB would be probably be enough for most people.

It isn't exactly hard to breach 3GB in Vista x64 (provided you have enough ram to begin with) thanks to superfetch. That being said, 4.5GB (3 x 1GB + 3 x 512MB) would be the absolute bare minimum I'd run on a tri channel Nehalem. However considering tri channel Nehalem isn't a platform anyone should be skimping on to try and save money, 6GB would be a more realistic minimum, and I personally wouldn't want to settle for less than 9GB.

 

[dakels]

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Originally posted by: dakels
At least SSD is starting to make drastic cuts in price. Hell, I would buy this SSD as a boot drive.

i heard those arent that much better then a velociraptor.

Dont get me wrong, as soon as some really nice and fast SSD's drop to around the 200 dollar range, im grabbing 6 of them.

However thats gonna take a while for the ones im looking at.

Yea the reports I saw were close but the write speed on the SSD is not so great. The read speed was usually a tiny bit faster and write was significantly slower. Still, for a lower power laptop drive, it's nice to see this option.