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'Nehalem' at 2.9GHz and X58
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Cr0nJ0b
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I have to say I'm a little surprised by the reply Mark. If you are kidding...well then I get it...but if not...it's a little short sighted. I used to be a huge TH fan, back in the days when pentiums ran hot and memory shipped in 64MB sticks...but that was then.
I still check out the sight now and then, and have found their new look and their whole organization of the sight is an absolute mess. They are spending too much time selling and not enough telling.
That said, information is information. two opinions are greater than one and we come here to get the information. If everyone only brough information that was gleened from the Anand site, it really would be kind of redundant wouldn't it?
Anand provides a great forum, great moderation, great reviews and you will always stay on top if you just keep doing that.
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So...now...I'm wondering...wait for the NH or get a Q6600?
I still check out the sight now and then, and have found their new look and their whole organization of the sight is an absolute mess. They are spending too much time selling and not enough telling.
That said, information is information. two opinions are greater than one and we come here to get the information. If everyone only brough information that was gleened from the Anand site, it really would be kind of redundant wouldn't it?
Anand provides a great forum, great moderation, great reviews and you will always stay on top if you just keep doing that.
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So...now...I'm wondering...wait for the NH or get a Q6600?
It is good to have that notion challenged and reaffirmed (or disavowed) every now and then.
I deplore TH ever since the pabster sold out, but its good to see others link to it every now and then as I will, on those occasions, checkout the link...which invariably confirms my existing prejudice against visiting them on a routine basis.
Likewise it (threads initiated with TH links) provide good backdrop to subsequent linkage for reviews that are of the kind of quality that we wish to see. Without this thread there wouldn't be a post with a link to AT's article on the first page of the CPU forums.
As an example of prior prejudice being disavowed I will admit that it was only because of this forum's consistent linkage to FUDzilla that I actually now routinely visit their site after having seen a number of high-profile articles bare some truth (10% AMD layoffs...).
In these past 6 months the FUD's credibility has markedly risen (IMO). TH not so much.
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Same here. I tend to follow Fud and the Inq pretty closely. Despite the shocking lack of professionalism on Charlie's part and his clear hate for NV, and Fud's inability to write with proper grammar and spelling, both sites often have scoops before anyone else. And they actually get the story right a surprising amount of the time.
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http://translate.google.com/tr...2Cnews-590.html&hl=en&
Here some benchies from Toms that go with that old news.
Here some benchies from Toms that go with that old news.
I think that what he ment was why was the ES only 2.93ghz instead of 3.2ghz which according to Tom's is the highest available freq.
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@taltamir
Hi , what exactly worries you with the 2,9 GHz .What did you expect btw whats wrong with 2,9Ghz . Yield is relatively low at the beginning and every beginning.Production is just to complex and difficult,in 20 years i had always some kind of problems with every new product. Probs were solved one by one ,some are still there when production stops.
So Yield always starts low and goes up slow. bad yields is the one and only major problem which will happen for sure ,no question.
Some products need 200 steps till its complete . Everything can go wrong at any time without any obvious cause .
2,9Ghz ES is no sign for any problems,they have yield issues fur sure and they have also half a year to work them out. They had advance experience with 45nm products,Nehalem yield shoudnt not to hard to bring up.45 is 45 nm, Nehalem is on the Wafer nothing more or less than any other 45nm chip. Same little things and a little more of them are mixed a little different....
45nm Penryns are available for some time now and routines should have established,resulting in proper yields. Wolfdale-like-Paper-Lauch shouldnt happen hopefully....
So dont worry,actually its a little miracle to have any NH half a year in advance. Even with NDA, its way earlier than normally.
Guess they had to bring them out so soon to the Boarders because Nehalem Boards had to be designed from scratch and there quite different than any FSB or HT Board. Maybe not difficult at all , but they make such a board for the first time and that needs time
Hi , what exactly worries you with the 2,9 GHz .What did you expect btw whats wrong with 2,9Ghz . Yield is relatively low at the beginning and every beginning.Production is just to complex and difficult,in 20 years i had always some kind of problems with every new product. Probs were solved one by one ,some are still there when production stops.
So Yield always starts low and goes up slow. bad yields is the one and only major problem which will happen for sure ,no question.
Some products need 200 steps till its complete . Everything can go wrong at any time without any obvious cause .
2,9Ghz ES is no sign for any problems,they have yield issues fur sure and they have also half a year to work them out. They had advance experience with 45nm products,Nehalem yield shoudnt not to hard to bring up.45 is 45 nm, Nehalem is on the Wafer nothing more or less than any other 45nm chip. Same little things and a little more of them are mixed a little different....
45nm Penryns are available for some time now and routines should have established,resulting in proper yields. Wolfdale-like-Paper-Lauch shouldnt happen hopefully.... So dont worry,actually its a little miracle to have any NH half a year in advance. Even with NDA, its way earlier than normally.
Guess they had to bring them out so soon to the Boarders because Nehalem Boards had to be designed from scratch and there quite different than any FSB or HT Board. Maybe not difficult at all , but they make such a board for the first time and that needs time
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Originally posted by: Gikaseixas
Originally posted by: uribag
Originally posted by: Gikaseixas
some numbers from Tom, now we all can see what 2.9ghz of Intel greatest can do
Here
Hi,
What´s your Phenom 9850BE@3.0Ghz score in PCmark05?
9842
overall score or cpu score? If your saying CPU score. You have a screenie?
3DMark 06 1280x1024 noAA Score
3DMarks 12786
SM2.0 score 4605
HDR/SM3.0 score 5600
CPU score 5183
PCMark 05 Score
PCMark 9852
CPU score 9583
Memory 9010
Thats a stock neha. And stock neha chases my 3.6 yorkfield.
3.0 AMD will not get anywhere close to a 3.6ghz yorkie.
http://i125.photobucket.com/al...igomorla/36benches.jpg
Guys AMD is crap if your looking for performance. Im sorry i tried really hard. But there CRAP.
Get an Intel if your looking for performance, AMD if your looking for green.
I have owned both platforms, and the AMD rig looked really SAD in comparision with my with kentsfield and yorkie rigs.
This is my 2 cents.
I believe fugger said it best:
Phenom + BS = Smooth.
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Originally posted by: aigomorla
Originally posted by: Gikaseixas
Originally posted by: uribag
Originally posted by: Gikaseixas
some numbers from Tom, now we all can see what 2.9ghz of Intel greatest can do
Here
Hi,
What´s your Phenom 9850BE@3.0Ghz score in PCmark05?
9842
overall score or cpu score? If your saying CPU score. You have a screenie?
3DMark 06 1280x1024 noAA Score
3DMarks 12786
SM2.0 score 4605
HDR/SM3.0 score 5600
CPU score 5183
PCMark 05 Score
PCMark 9852
CPU score 9583
Memory 9010
Thats a stock neha. And stock neha chases my 3.6 yorkfield.
3.0 AMD will not get anywhere close to a 3.6ghz yorkie.
http://i125.photobucket.com/al...igomorla/36benches.jpg
Guys AMD is crap if your looking for performance. Im sorry i tried really hard. But there CRAP.
Get an Intel if your looking for performance, AMD if your looking for green.
I have owned both platforms, and the AMD rig looked really SAD in comparision with my with kentsfield and yorkie rigs.
This is my 2 cents.
I believe fugger said it best:
Phenom + BS = Smooth.
no, it's overall
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Heres A pick of the case thats used in the Hothardware Nehalem Intel SSD preview.
My wife bought this case for here entertainment center.
http://www.origenae.com/en/htpc_s21t.htm
Heres the preview. I am going to talk her into waiting on Nehalem befor building it.
http://www.hothardware.com/New...or_and_SSD_Sneak_Peek/
The craftsmanship of these cases are the best in the industry . for the $$$ they dam well should be.
Heres case review. Toms also does a great review.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Origen_ae/S21T
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