Need work advice

[Stojakapimp]

I'll try to make a long story short, but this concerns taking time off for work. So here we go:

Back in the summer, I was scheduled to work 20 hrs/wk, yet I actually worked more than that. Therefore, I was making more money that I was supposed to. So in a sense, I was "saving" up time. One of the reasons I did this was because I wanted to take a vacation to Hawaii for two weeks, and since I technically don't get vacation days until I've worked at my place for a whole year (which I haven't), then I thought this would be a justifiable way to do it. Now my boss claims that I never told him that I was overworking, so I don't know if he was too happy when he found out. He didn't mind me taking the vacation, I just don't think he was thrilled that I was working more and didn't tell him.

So cut to yesterday...I asked my boss if I could take the week after Holiday off. I already get that Monday off, but I would like to take the week off so that I can go to this college conference. In my email to him I asked "Would it be ok if I took the week off after Holiday? I still have some time saved up...". He replied and said "Yes, you may take leave during that week. However, I do not wish to hear about saved up time anymore."

So that last sentence kind of unsettled me. I can't tell if he's perhaps a little upset that I'm asking for more time off when I've already taken a 2 week vacation and a couple days off here and there, or if he's only upset that I keep mentioning this "saved" up time which was was never happy about in the first place.

I think it's the latter option. My boss is known for being a stickler on vacation time, so I think that if he was upset about me wanting more time off, then he would simply have told me no. But I'm still not sure what to believe. Do any of you have thoughts on this? Is it a really bad decision for me to take that week off after Holiday?


Cliff Notes:
1. I have "saved up time" by overworking, yet my boss didn't know about is at the time
2. I already took a 2 week vacation and a couple days off here and there
3. I asked for the week off after Holiday
4. He said yes, but that he doesn't want to hear about saved up time anymore

 

[Kremlar]

I would just, um, take that week off and not pull the 'saved up time' card anymore.

 

[leftyman]

i never heard of "saving up time" and than using it to take time off...and yes, i wouldnt bring it up as a way to take time off anymore.

 

[spherrod]

Originally posted by: Kremlar
I would just, um, take that week off and not pull the 'saved up time' card anymore.

Yep - that seems the best thing to do :beer:

 

[Stojakapimp]

Yeah, that's probably what I'll simply do. I feel like the damage has already been done with me asking, and since he said yes, then I should take the oppurtunity. But I sorta feel like I'm treading on thin ice now.

 

[yowolabi]

You are on thin ice. There's no such thing as saved up time, and every time you mention it, you're reminding him of how you took unapproved overtime for so long.

Take him at his word. Take the vacation and never mention that nonsense again.

 

[Sundog]

Originally posted by: leftyman
i never heard of "saving up time" and than using it to take time off...and yes, i wouldnt bring it up as a way to take time off anymore.

It is very common and IIRC it is called "banking time". It is done so that overtime is not paid but one works longer during a busy time. Not exactly legal, but frequently done.

 

[leftyman]

Originally posted by: Sundog

Originally posted by: leftyman
i never heard of "saving up time" and than using it to take time off...and yes, i wouldnt bring it up as a way to take time off anymore.

It is very common and IIRC it is called "banking time". It is done so that overtime is not paid but one works longer during a busy time. Not exactly legal, but frequently done.

nice idea, i wish my boss would go for something like it

 

[pontifex]

just don't work more than you're supposed to without letting him know anymore.

 

[AbsolutDealage]

So lemme get this straight.... you take on a job that you knew would not have vacation time for the first 12 months. You work overtime without telling your boss. You tell your boss after the fact, and then proceed to take a 2 week vacation plus another few days on top of that, and now you want another week?!

You should have been upfront with your boss from the start and asked him if it was acceptable to save up some vacation time on the side. It should have been tracked, that way nobody is getting cheated.

Look at it from your boss' perspective... hell, I would be pissed off if I were him. For all he knows, you could be BSing him about all the extra hours. Not to mention, 3+ weeks of "vacation" time when you have been working somewhere less than a year is outrageous.

You definately are skating on thin ice. Take everyone's advice and never mention the "saved up" time again. Save up your vacation like everyone else does, and if you can't do that, then work something out with your boss... don't just assume that you can come up with your own solution.

 

[captains]

u sound like your 16...

permanent vacation FTW

 

[Toasthead]

Originally posted by: leftyman
i never heard of "saving up time" and than using it to take time off...and yes, i wouldnt bring it up as a way to take time off anymore.

Yeah, I would say if your boss doesnt know you worked overtime...then for all intents and purposes...you didnt.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: yowolabi
You are on thin ice. There's no such thing as saved up time, and every time you mention it, you're reminding him of how you took unapproved overtime for so long.

Take him at his word. Take the vacation and never mention that nonsense again.

i agree with this.

 

[MikeyIs4Dcats]

Originally posted by: Sundog

Originally posted by: leftyman
i never heard of "saving up time" and than using it to take time off...and yes, i wouldnt bring it up as a way to take time off anymore.

It is very common and IIRC it is called "banking time". It is done so that overtime is not paid but one works longer during a busy time. Not exactly legal, but frequently done.

Thats the problem. It is an illegal labor practice, and the boss is probably pissed that he did it because it put the boss and company at risk for something they do not approve of.

 

[woowoo]

When you play checkers, do you make your own rules?

 

[Stojakapimp]

Originally posted by: AbsolutDealage
So lemme get this straight.... you take on a job that you knew would not have vacation time for the first 12 months. You work overtime without telling your boss. You tell your boss after the fact, and then proceed to take a 2 week vacation plus another few days on top of that, and now you want another week?!

You should have been upfront with your boss from the start and asked him if it was acceptable to save up some vacation time on the side. It should have been tracked, that way nobody is getting cheated.

Look at it from your boss' perspective... hell, I would be pissed off if I were him. For all he knows, you could be BSing him about all the extra hours. Not to mention, 3+ weeks of "vacation" time when you have been working somewhere less than a year is outrageous.

You definately are skating on thin ice. Take everyone's advice and never mention the "saved up" time again. Save up your vacation like everyone else does, and if you can't do that, then work something out with your boss... don't just assume that you can come up with your own solution.

See, I thought I did tell him that I was working more hours than he had allocated, but there must have been a miscommunication problem, because when we talked about it later on he was a little confused. I think my problem was that I just didn't realize that you can't really do what I did. Like I had heard of people working on weekends and such to make up for time from leaving work, so I thought it was just like that.

But yes, I think I'll simply just take that week off and never mention "saved up" time again. And the two weeks for Hawaii wasn't exactly 2 working weeks...it was only 10 days, so taking 4 days off for Christmas will put me barely over the 2 week vacation time.

 

[tikwanleap]

Originally posted by: Stojakapimp

Originally posted by: AbsolutDealage
So lemme get this straight.... you take on a job that you knew would not have vacation time for the first 12 months. You work overtime without telling your boss. You tell your boss after the fact, and then proceed to take a 2 week vacation plus another few days on top of that, and now you want another week?!

You should have been upfront with your boss from the start and asked him if it was acceptable to save up some vacation time on the side. It should have been tracked, that way nobody is getting cheated.

Look at it from your boss' perspective... hell, I would be pissed off if I were him. For all he knows, you could be BSing him about all the extra hours. Not to mention, 3+ weeks of "vacation" time when you have been working somewhere less than a year is outrageous.

You definately are skating on thin ice. Take everyone's advice and never mention the "saved up" time again. Save up your vacation like everyone else does, and if you can't do that, then work something out with your boss... don't just assume that you can come up with your own solution.

See, I thought I did tell him that I was working more hours than he had allocated, but there must have been a miscommunication problem, because when we talked about it later on he was a little confused. I think my problem was that I just didn't realize that you can't really do what I did. Like I had heard of people working on weekends and such to make up for time from leaving work, so I thought it was just like that.

But yes, I think I'll simply just take that week off and never mention "saved up" time again. And the two weeks for Hawaii wasn't exactly 2 working weeks...it was only 10 days, so taking 4 days off for Christmas will put me barely over the 2 week vacation time.

When they say 2 week vacation time does that mean 14 working days or 10? At my place it means 10 working days.

 

[piasabird]

Some places give you comp time for extra hours. It is cheaper than paying time and a half.

 

[CrackaLackaZe]

Originally posted by: tikwanleap

Originally posted by: Stojakapimp

Originally posted by: AbsolutDealage
So lemme get this straight.... you take on a job that you knew would not have vacation time for the first 12 months. You work overtime without telling your boss. You tell your boss after the fact, and then proceed to take a 2 week vacation plus another few days on top of that, and now you want another week?!

You should have been upfront with your boss from the start and asked him if it was acceptable to save up some vacation time on the side. It should have been tracked, that way nobody is getting cheated.

Look at it from your boss' perspective... hell, I would be pissed off if I were him. For all he knows, you could be BSing him about all the extra hours. Not to mention, 3+ weeks of "vacation" time when you have been working somewhere less than a year is outrageous.

You definately are skating on thin ice. Take everyone's advice and never mention the "saved up" time again. Save up your vacation like everyone else does, and if you can't do that, then work something out with your boss... don't just assume that you can come up with your own solution.

See, I thought I did tell him that I was working more hours than he had allocated, but there must have been a miscommunication problem, because when we talked about it later on he was a little confused. I think my problem was that I just didn't realize that you can't really do what I did. Like I had heard of people working on weekends and such to make up for time from leaving work, so I thought it was just like that.

But yes, I think I'll simply just take that week off and never mention "saved up" time again. And the two weeks for Hawaii wasn't exactly 2 working weeks...it was only 10 days, so taking 4 days off for Christmas will put me barely over the 2 week vacation time.

When they say 2 week vacation time does that mean 14 working days or 10? At my place it means 10 working days.

I thought one work week was how ever many days you normally work. So that would be 5 days if you worked 5 days a week.

 

[Stojakapimp]

Originally posted by: tikwanleap

Originally posted by: Stojakapimp

Originally posted by: AbsolutDealage
So lemme get this straight.... you take on a job that you knew would not have vacation time for the first 12 months. You work overtime without telling your boss. You tell your boss after the fact, and then proceed to take a 2 week vacation plus another few days on top of that, and now you want another week?!

You should have been upfront with your boss from the start and asked him if it was acceptable to save up some vacation time on the side. It should have been tracked, that way nobody is getting cheated.

Look at it from your boss' perspective... hell, I would be pissed off if I were him. For all he knows, you could be BSing him about all the extra hours. Not to mention, 3+ weeks of "vacation" time when you have been working somewhere less than a year is outrageous.

You definately are skating on thin ice. Take everyone's advice and never mention the "saved up" time again. Save up your vacation like everyone else does, and if you can't do that, then work something out with your boss... don't just assume that you can come up with your own solution.

See, I thought I did tell him that I was working more hours than he had allocated, but there must have been a miscommunication problem, because when we talked about it later on he was a little confused. I think my problem was that I just didn't realize that you can't really do what I did. Like I had heard of people working on weekends and such to make up for time from leaving work, so I thought it was just like that.

But yes, I think I'll simply just take that week off and never mention "saved up" time again. And the two weeks for Hawaii wasn't exactly 2 working weeks...it was only 10 days, so taking 4 days off for Christmas will put me barely over the 2 week vacation time.

When they say 2 week vacation time does that mean 14 working days or 10? At my place it means 10 working days.

Hmmm...I was under the impression that it meant 14 days...but perhaps you're right...I'd have to go read my contract

 

[HN]

as noble as it may seem to put in extra hours of your own time, you can not turn around later and say "heigh, i worked overtime a bit for these other days, can i get some time off now b/c of that?"

However - IF it has been explicitly stated beforehand that you can get comped for extra hours AND you let manager/boss know beforehand that you were going to do that AND it's documented (which days, how many hours), then you have more of a case.

Anything else is just a favor from higher ups to you.

 

[Schfifty Five]

Originally posted by: Stojakapimp

Originally posted by: tikwanleap

Originally posted by: Stojakapimp

Originally posted by: AbsolutDealage
So lemme get this straight.... you take on a job that you knew would not have vacation time for the first 12 months. You work overtime without telling your boss. You tell your boss after the fact, and then proceed to take a 2 week vacation plus another few days on top of that, and now you want another week?!

You should have been upfront with your boss from the start and asked him if it was acceptable to save up some vacation time on the side. It should have been tracked, that way nobody is getting cheated.

Look at it from your boss' perspective... hell, I would be pissed off if I were him. For all he knows, you could be BSing him about all the extra hours. Not to mention, 3+ weeks of "vacation" time when you have been working somewhere less than a year is outrageous.

You definately are skating on thin ice. Take everyone's advice and never mention the "saved up" time again. Save up your vacation like everyone else does, and if you can't do that, then work something out with your boss... don't just assume that you can come up with your own solution.

See, I thought I did tell him that I was working more hours than he had allocated, but there must have been a miscommunication problem, because when we talked about it later on he was a little confused. I think my problem was that I just didn't realize that you can't really do what I did. Like I had heard of people working on weekends and such to make up for time from leaving work, so I thought it was just like that.

But yes, I think I'll simply just take that week off and never mention "saved up" time again. And the two weeks for Hawaii wasn't exactly 2 working weeks...it was only 10 days, so taking 4 days off for Christmas will put me barely over the 2 week vacation time.

When they say 2 week vacation time does that mean 14 working days or 10? At my place it means 10 working days.

Hmmm...I was under the impression that it meant 14 days...but perhaps you're right...I'd have to go read my contract

lol...how old are you? Anyways...It's probably 10 working days = 2 weeks vacation. That's how it is in probaby 99% of the companies in the US.

 

[BooGiMaN]

is this your first real job?

not informing your boss what your doing and later dropping a bomb on him is a good way to get on his sh1tlist...especially if you keep brining up...

hopefully you will still have a job when you get back from your vacation.