Question Need to upgrade CPU and Motherboard for 9070XT

[DAPUNISHER]

You have to stick HUB Results that were running Ram at wrong settings(1:2) and are now rare as hell it's better to stick to JEDEC and here are the results it's like 3% for 5600 vs 3200 (not counting 6000 since it's JEDEC).

https://www.tomshardware.com/features/ddr5-vs-ddr4-is-it-time-to-upgrade-your-ram

First: Thanks for immediately using the shoot the messenger fallacy. That is certain to win readers over. Especially when it's used on the most respected gaming hardware reviewer in the PC space.

Second, and lastly: Because I won't need to explain any further after this response. The review you linked is using a 2080tie with max in game settings. The big red flag waving in your face, is 2133 being less than 10% slower than 6000, and all of the speeds being bunched up. Massive GPU bottleneck.

But I was suggesting Raptor Lake, not Alder Lake. And the review you linked to shows the 14700K beating the 5800X3D:

Yes, with DDR5.

but it's still a pretty great upgrade

You cannot be reading my posts. Or something is lost in translation. Because you are now saying what I said/agreeing with me. That it would be a shockingly good upgrade over the old 4 core.

and it's a CPU the OP can actually buy (unlike the 5700X3D).

You can buy the X3Ds, but the prices are absurd.

 

[511]

First: Thanks for immediately using the shoot the messenger fallacy. That is certain to win readers over. Especially when it's used on the most respected gaming hardware reviewer in the PC space.

Second, and lastly: Because I won't need to explain any further after this response. The review you linked is using a 2080tie with max in game settings. The big red flag waving in your face, is 2133 being less than 10% slower than 6000, and all of the speeds being bunched up. Massive GPU bottleneck.

Thanks we'll I couldn't find anything else and this day and time XMP is just too costly vs JEDEC but if there are better review we can base it off them.

If he is going for a dead end platform better to get the one with the lower prices for CPU+GPU like someone Pointed out 5800X/12600K are decent mid range options you can go a KF to save extra that's on the table since AM4 doesn't have iGPU SKU bar G series.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Thanks we'll I couldn't find anything else and this day and time XMP is just too costly vs JEDEC but if there are better review we can base it off them.

Steve has an enormous following of PCMR gamers. They give him all requested, and unrequested LOL, feedback. He tests the settings that gamers use. They turn on XMP/EXPO. He also uses faster DDR5 with Intel than AMD, as he should.

If he is going for a dead end platform better to get the one with the lower prices for CPU+GPU like someone Pointed out 5800X/12600K are decent mid range options you can go a KF to save extra that's on the table since AM4 doesn't have iGPU SKU bar G series.

The 8 core Zen 3 is not significantly better for gaming than the 6 core. I would not pay a premium for it. We kept thinking 8 cores were going to age better, but over 5 years later, nope. If multitasking or streaming, or putting a bunch of hours into a game that loves all the threads, it might be worth paying more for. Otherwise, not so much.

 

[511]

The 8 core Zen 3 is not significantly better for gaming than the 6 core. I would not pay a premium for it. We kept thinking 8 cores were going to age better, but over 5 years later, nope. If multitasking or streaming, or putting a bunch of hours into a game that loves all the threads, it might be worth paying more for. Otherwise, not so much.

Yeah but ultimately cost is the factor if both are similar price I would pick the 12600K if there is decent difference in favour of other pick one easily.

Steve has an enormous following of PCMR gamers. They give him all requested, and unrequested LOL, feedback. He tests the settings that gamers use. They turn on XMP/EXPO. He also uses faster DDR5 with Intel than AMD, as he should.

Have you look at the times we live in 🤣🤣 Nowadays working and good Ram is priority than spending extra over XMP/EXPO(my option).

 

[ToTTenTranz]

You cannot be reading my posts. Or something is lost in translation. Because you are now saying what I said/agreeing with me. That it would be a shockingly good upgrade over the old 4 core.

Maybe I am misreading?

I suggested Raptor Lake Refresh, you commented how Raptor Lake doesn't match Zen3 X3D in performance if paired with DDR4.
I said yes, but it still largely surpasses Zen3 in gaming performance, and you can actually buy them at fairly decent prices and Raptor Lake is more tolerant of slower DDR4 due to larger caches.


People keep coming up with Zen3 being faster for gaming but it's really not. Zen3 X3D is better for gaming than Raptor Lake Refresh + DDR4, but the latter is better than Zen3 without vcache (which is what people can realistically buy nowadays).
Of course, if the OP could just find a 5800/5700X3D for a decent price then there wouldn't be any discussion to be had. Unfortunately, that's not really an option at the moment. Zen3 CPUs are getting overpriced while Raptor Lake Refresh are still quite decently priced. And for gaming performance the i5 is almost as good as the bigger i7 and i9 siblings. The only thing that hurts is nT performance.



As for the degradation concerns, from what I see the latest microcode update solves that and its impact in gaming performance is negligible. There's up to 5% performance hit for heavily multithreaded loads like video editing, but not gaming:

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Yeah but ultimately cost is the factor if both are similar price I would pick the 12600K

Of course you would.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Maybe I am misreading?

I suggested Raptor Lake Refresh, you commented how Raptor Lake doesn't match Zen3 X3D in performance if paired with DDR4.

Definitely a communication gap. That is not what I wrote. I provided data that the performance gap is no where near the 33% you claimed, if using DDR4. You have acknowledge that, it's all good.

I said yes, but it still largely surpasses Zen3 in gaming performance, and you can actually buy them at fairly decent prices and Raptor Lake is more tolerant of slower DDR4 due to larger caches.

Maybe where you live. Here in the U.S. few are buying LGA 1700. I agree the degradation appears to be mostly fixed too. Makes no difference, the damage is done. Few are obviously willing to risk it.

People keep coming up with Zen3 being faster for gaming but it's really not. Zen3 X3D is better for gaming than Raptor Lake Refresh + DDR4, but the latter is better than Zen3 without vcache (which is what people can realistically buy nowadays).

Repeating, raptor is no bargain here. And it has a terrible reputation. Does not matter what kind of value you think it offers. It's a dust collector. There is no indication that is going to change. I'll provide the reasoning below.

Zen3 CPUs are getting overpriced while Raptor Lake Refresh are still quite decently priced.

I'll continue to repeat it for clarity, raptor is not decently priced here. And why do you think Zen 3 prices keep rising? That's right, demand. What the sales data tells us, is that with DDR4 being the more wallet friendly option, Intel is not substantially benefitting from it. But AM4 is. Platform longevity plays a part. Upgraders add to the sales.

My 12600kf with the latest bios does not run hot at all gaming. But I am probably losing as much as 10% performance in some titles. As it has yet to hit 100W with OOB settings plus XMP. Of course in game, you can't tell that, unless your fps is already on the bubble. And how often does that really happen? For me not a single time so far. I don't think most gamers would be able to tell which system they are playing on. Hence, price in your region should be the deciding factor. As most of us seem to agree on.

 

[ToTTenTranz]

I'll continue to repeat it for clarity, raptor is not decently priced here. And why do you think Zen 3 prices keep rising? That's right, demand. What the sales data tells us, is that with DDR4 being the more wallet friendly option, Intel is not substantially benefitting from it. But AM4 is. Platform longevity plays a part. Upgraders add to the sales.

I get that, but it's not the same on this side of the pond.

Here are both a Raptor Lake Refresh and a Zen3 solution:






And here's how they compare:





The i5 14400F with DDR4 should be a tad faster in games for a similar price, and has better multithreading performance. The biggest difference though is gaming performance can get higher with the 14600K or 14700K, whereas AM4 hits a wall with the 5800X because there aren't any X3D around.

 

[Yahzi]

Thank you for all your replies. I actually have DDR3 memory, not DDR4.

 

[Yahzi]

I'm just concerned about my GPU performance and that my CPU is limiting me but my situation is maybe weird, maybe not. I tried playing Dead Space Remake, 1440p maxed out, no upscaling and I'm getting like 40-50 fps in some situations, and in others I'm tanking heavily to like 17 fps. Like the game just breaks down to a crawl.

I'm told this game is CPU heavy, but I'm seeing guys on Youtube with a 9070XT getting close to a 100fps in 4K maxed out without upscaling and closer to 120-130fps in 1440p. So you telling me that a good CPU upgrade is going to double my raw FPS?

 

[ToTTenTranz]

I actually have DDR3 memory, not DDR4.

Oh...


Just go with a Zen5 and 16GB DDR5, then. 32GB if you can afford it..

 

[maddogmcgee]

With prices for new stuff would buying a used system? At least around here you could pickup an entire ddr4 system for around the same price as 32gb new ddr5. A Ryzen 5000 series would be a big upgrade from that cpu. Put the used gpu on a shelf for future trouble shooting.

 

[Tarkin77]

I get that, but it's not the same on this side of the pond.

Here are both a Raptor Lake Refresh and a Zen3 solution:

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And here's how they compare:

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The i5 14400F with DDR4 should be a tad faster in games for a similar price, and has better multithreading performance. The biggest difference though is gaming performance can get higher with the 14600K or 14700K, whereas AM4 hits a wall with the 5800X because there aren't any X3D around.

Very old benchmarks…. Zen 3/4 should be 15% faster with win11 24H2 scheduler optimizations

 

[Yahzi]

Would a Ryzen 5700X partnered with a 9070XT be a good pairing?

 

[Schmide]

It depends on your budget and where you plan to acquire it.

5700x is a lower power target 5800x

5700x 5700 is a 5700x with half the L3 cache. L3 cache is what games love.

Will it work fine. Sure.

If you check ebay. The two often overlap in price. Around $150. Sure there are users that list it much higher ($220+) and in general because of demand it is higher than it was last year. Other sites like amazon list it for a bit more.

Some points. You're not going to find the 5700x3d and 5800x3d for less that $300. These are what you really want.

I bought a 5950x, the 16 core AM4 processor, for $240 the other day. This is 3rd or 4th in coveted processors list because of its extra cores, boost and power targets.

In order for gaming

5500 < 5600 < 5700 <5700x < 5900x < 5800x < 5900xt < 5950x < 5600x3d < 5700x3d < 5800x3d

5600x3d is an odd one and and may slip down the list because it's a 6 core processor. You aren't going to find it anyways as it was sold in limited quantities.

Good hunting.

Edit: fixed 5700x mistake

 

[gdansk]

5700x is a 5800x with half the L3 cache. L3 cache is what games love.

No, it is not. They are both full fat Vermeer.
The difference is the power limit and clock rates.

 

[Schmide]

Yeah you're right that's the 5700

 

[Ranulf]

Thank you for all your replies. I actually have DDR3 memory, not DDR4.

Are you sure? In OP you wrote:

Some background. I recently upgraded my GPU from a 6700XT to a 9070XT however my CPU - don't laugh - is a 10 year old Intel i6600K.

6600k is Skylake, that is ddr4, first gen to use it. Though apparently there were mobo's that could use ddr3 with skylake.