Need to cool down some Pentium Ds

[aka1nas]

Hi all,
We had Mwave preassemble some Pentium D machines for a client at my work. They have been having issues with the machines crashing and what sounds like throttling. I went on site myself today, and verified that the temps are over 60C on idle and some of them can over 75C on load with 2 instances of Prime95. According to CPU-z, the cores also throttle down one multiplier from time to time. They are using the stock Intel cooler and are in a Coolermaster Centurion case with a 120mm exhaust fan. Are these normal temps with the stock cooler for these chips? What aftermarket cooler would you guys recommend?

 

[Pabster]

Dump those stock coolers in a hurry.

I'd go with Swiftech MCX775-V's paired with medium Panaflo's if possible.

 

[Blazin Trav]

Better case cooling and heatsink or ditch craptel and go AMD Venice.

 

[Markfw]

XP120's... BTW, why in the he$$ did you go with Pentium D's ? They are know for being a furnace.

 

[Chode Messiah]

yeah they suck a$$ plz get rid of them.

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: Chode Messiah
yeah they suck a$$ plz get rid of them.

more troll posts???

 

[Chode Messiah]

anytime, but im not trolling. it is a known fact that pent. D's are excessively hot, thats why intel made btx. i have an intel laptop(2.13ghz pent. m), and dual xeon server. i love them both, except the current dual core design is weak. conroe will be a significant improvement, thats why i dont have a pentium D as my main rig. i like intel, but their dual cores aren't up to snuff.

 

[Pabster]

I hate to break it to ya, but BTX has been in VERY limited use (mainly Dell) and it has been around A LOT longer than Pentium D.

 

[Chode Messiah]

but intel desgined it, preparing for their newer cpus, because they eventually won't fit within the thermal envelope of the atx standard.

 

[stevty2889]

I would replace the stock coolers with the thermaltake jungle 512 and artic silver 5, it's actualy got my 3.4ghz P4 running cooler than it did with water cooling(by 3c, although I also had my 6800GT on the same water cooling loop), and I was still throttling with an XP-120. It's hard enough to keep one 5xx series prescott cool, let alone 2 under a single package. Presler will be the same, but they seem to have fixed a lot of the heat issues, so at least it should run cooler.

 

[Chode Messiah]

thats what im saying. conroe is 1337 presler is so-so

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: Chode Messiah
anytime, but im not trolling. it is a known fact that pent. D's are excessively hot, thats why intel made btx. i have an intel laptop(2.13ghz pent. m), and dual xeon server. i love them both, except the current dual core design is weak. conroe will be a significant improvement, thats why i dont have a pentium D as my main rig. i like intel, but their dual cores aren't up to snuff.

OP requested a cooling solution. You told him to throw the chip out... Didn't suggest a cooling solution. If that isn't trolling, I don't know what is.

 

[dannybin1742]

ebay the chip and board and ram and sink that money into a 3800+ or a 4200+

 

[Duvie]

Regardless of what brand AMD or INtel it is a good lesson for the corporate croonies who get tied up thinking INtel is all there is...Maybe will think about it next time considering this is all stock stuff overheating...pretty sad INtel....

That being said. I would 2nd the swiftechs...reasonably priced and should be able to outproduce those ratil stock cooler eough to keep them from throttling. The only other thing I think about is how will temps look look in a few months when things get a little dust build up. My Intel machine needed a good cleaning every 2-3 months as the temps would rise in that time period my 3-5c....That could put some back on the cusp...May have to llok at some higher producing Zalmanns then...

 

[imported_Kensai]

Watercooling or phase change.

 

[Cooler]

You need more fans that should drop it 10-15c and what case to you have because that could be 1/2 your problem

 

[Duvie]

You do need at least one intake fan and one exhaust fan.....If that doesn't work then throw them in the garbage (actually send them back to Mwave for not testing the fvckers), because I know a couple of guys usig X2's with stock coolers and 2 120mm fans (1 intake and 1 exhaust and they come not even close to overheating....I will be one of those guys and I fully expect the cpu to stay cool and quiet...

The question is why do you need so much case cooling and aftermarket fans to run at temps that wont overheat??? The830 bundled in a combo is virtually no cheaper then the X2 3800+ which will run fine at stock speed with stock ooler...If you have to pump more into it to get it to run stock then what is the point...

 

[Markfw]

What Duvie said...Also I OC'ed mine to 2.5 with the stock cooler, and it would have been OK with the case cover on, if I put an intake fane on. Put I sisn;t want to do that, so I just got an XP90.

Really, you should think about making mwave take them back in exchange for some X2's, this is not right (but expected for an 830D)

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
XP120's... BTW, why in the he$$ did you go with Pentium D's ? They are know for being a furnace.

Really? Then why does my PentiumD830 idle at 46C with stock cooler?
All I have for ventilation is a slow spinning 120mm fan in the front bottom of the case, and a 80mm at the rear. I don't have 17 fans blasting. Goes up to 65C on full load.
It's all in the way you set them up man. That's how these rumors get started in the first place. That's why you alway ALWAYS build your computers yourself and not let some schmuck at a PC shop build one for you. Why? Because they usually don't care if it's not their system.

EDIT: Oh and BTW, these temps are with the stock thermal pad that came pre-attached to the heatsink. No thermal paste, no artic silver. And for all AMD fans who say "you should have went with AMD", well it's a little too late for that now isn't it? We all know AMD runs much cooler. That's not the issue here. keep it in check folks.

 

[Duvie]

Well if you followed what mark said he is running all stock cooler and had oc'd 500mhz and his temps were not 60c....that is with vcore boost....

By the way 120mm fans spin slower for no surprise they dont need to and can push the same air....no great feat....

The sad thing is, as few of these things that appear to be around by the lack of ppl benching them in my threads, the ones I do see are complaining about temps....

I (notice I said I) wouldn't be happy with 65c...at stock settings...that would mean little headroom for OCing even if I had an aftermarket HSF and more case fans....
Now get over to the autoGK thread and bench that thing since I know someone who has one...

 

[t3h l337 n3wb]

Either return them, or get a bunch of XP-120's... Oh, and add an intake fan. 1 exhaust WON'T cut it.

 

[anandtechrocks]

I built a computer with an Intel 820 and it idled at 49-51C and would get up to 60-62C load. This is all stock except I removed the original thermal paste and put in some AS5. The computer has 2 120 mm fans (intake and out), as well as another 80 mm fan screwed into the case directly over the CPU.

I actually think it is a very nice computer. It performs very well, but the temps kinda did bother me. Just as a comparison my A64 idles at 29-32C and rarely touches 40C even on load (much much more comfortable).

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Duvie
Well if you followed what mark said he is running all stock cooler and had oc'd 500mhz and his temps were not 60c....that is with vcore boost....

By the way 120mm fans spin slower for no surprise they dont need to and can push the same air....no great feat....

The sad thing is, as few of these things that appear to be around by the lack of ppl benching them in my threads, the ones I do see are complaining about temps....

I (notice I said I) wouldn't be happy with 65c...at stock settings...that would mean little headroom for OCing even if I had an aftermarket HSF and more case fans....
Now get over to the autoGK thread and bench that thing since I know someone who has one...

For those of us who do not o/c (points to self) I think we are more relaxed about our computers. We don't get all manic about temps and o/c headroom. Besides, the PD830's are all in my office computers. We got 4 of em. And the 120mm fans are the ones that have the speed dial that fits into a PCI slot opening. Got the 120's all at 900rpm. Silent.
People really bitch about noisy computers at work. So, I gots to do what I gots to do. Funny thing is, I tried to get them to let me buy AMD parts but the programmers rallied against me. LOL. Seems they like to code on Intel rigs exclusively.

EDIT: Oh yeah, here are the specs for the 4 puters. And they all pretty much run the same temps.

P4D 830 Retail
ASUS P5WD2 Premium 955X
4GB Kingston Value RAM DDR 533 (Price was right)
ATI X300's

All idle at 44 to 47C and at load are 63 to 66C
These programmers code multithreaded apps only and require large amount of memory as well. For a desktop anyway.

 

[AkumaX]

the 820D shouldn't throttle, right?

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Duvie
Well if you followed what mark said he is running all stock cooler and had oc'd 500mhz and his temps were not 60c....that is with vcore boost....

By the way 120mm fans spin slower for no surprise they dont need to and can push the same air....no great feat....

The sad thing is, as few of these things that appear to be around by the lack of ppl benching them in my threads, the ones I do see are complaining about temps....

I (notice I said I) wouldn't be happy with 65c...at stock settings...that would mean little headroom for OCing even if I had an aftermarket HSF and more case fans....
Now get over to the autoGK thread and bench that thing since I know someone who has one...

For those of us who do not o/c (points to self) I think we are more relaxed about our computers. We don't get all manic about temps and o/c headroom. Besides, the PD830's are all in my office computers. We got 4 of em. And the 120mm fans are the ones that have the speed dial that fits into a PCI slot opening. Got the 120's all at 900rpm. Silent.
People really bitch about noisy computers at work. So, I gots to do what I gots to do. Funny thing is, I tried to get them to let me buy AMD parts but the programmers rallied against me. LOL. Seems they like to code on Intel rigs exclusively.

EDIT: Oh yeah, here are the specs for the 4 puters. And they all pretty much run the same temps.

P4D 830 Retail
ASUS P5WD2 Premium 955X
4GB Kingston Value RAM DDR 533 (Price was right)
ATI X300's

All idle at 44 to 47C and at load are 63 to 66C
These programmers code multithreaded apps only and require large amount of memory as well. For a desktop anyway.

One thing for many to remember is reports are the Asus measures temps ion the high side....

I know you dont OC Keys so I know as long as it does not throttle you would be happy...Imagine placing a gaming type vid card in there that puts out 40-50c of heat itself and you can see a real concern for ppl with these P-Ds...

As for quiet, I have seen Marks PCs and the Sonata is so dead silent I had to keep checking to make sure the hSF was on cause I was scared it had stopped... It has 120mm fans and I know his room PC is Oc'd to 2.55ghz+ with 1.47v and it is bullet proof and barely hitting 50c...