Need the BEST 23”-27” monitor for gaming – is IPS good enough?

[llamasass]

I’ve been searching around the forums, and I can’t seem to make a choice between LCD or IPS. I really want to try out an IPS, because I’ve seen how nice mac monitors are, but I can’t seem to find one that isn’t really lacking in some area. I would prefer a 1080p screen, so I can use it for more than just PC gaming, but it’s not really that important, if you have experience using PlayStation or Xbox on a 1920x1200 screen, let me know how your experience has been. (Not having the game set on the right res is one of my pet peeves though, so I guess I prefer 1:1pixel mapping).

A lot of discussion around the net compares the Dell u2410 to the HP LP2475w. I know they both have decent response time, but I have heard some complain about input lag. I also have heard people complain about the coating on the DELL. How comparable are these to iMac screens? I have also read that the deal on the 23” NEC EA231WMi-BK is a steal at $270, but have also heard many mixed reviews. The response time is also worse than the previous two.

Then there’s your standard 27” TN LCD, which there are many, but none that stick out. The advantage here is they’re cheaper and less money. Also, maybe I would consider buying a 3D monitor, but am worried that the quality might be less, because it’s more geared towards producing a great 3D experience, and lacks as a normal monitor.

Again, I’d like to give IPS a shot, but I’m worried that maybe it’s just not for gamers.

 

[jackstar7]

If you're primary interest is gaming, then 120hz is probably your best option. Really, you should head to a store and check out some displays before you plunk down the cash.

IPS is certainly nice and I know more about it, but when it comes to a smooth gaming experience, 120hz provides the best experience, at least according to me and the people I know who have some.

 

[llamasass]

If you're primary interest is gaming, then 120hz is probably your best option. Really, you should head to a store and check out some displays before you plunk down the cash.

IPS is certainly nice and I know more about it, but when it comes to a smooth gaming experience, 120hz provides the best experience, at least according to me and the people I know who have some.

I'm playing on a 60hz screen now, and don't think its all that bad. From reading other threads on here someone said

Thee dell has a 8 bit color panel, 10 bit color processing, 102% NTSC RGB (98% Adobe RGB) colorspace. With the correct .icc color correction profile and DeltaE can be dropped down to an average of .2 or .3 making it incredibly accurate (http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_u2410.htm http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/icc_profiles.htm).

Responsiveness is good and input latency can be very good (below average 34ms in normal mode, but good 14ms in gamer mode).

There is really no contest, a high end, outstanding dell panel versus some random viewsonic TN, U2410 all the way.

So it seems responsive enough to probably compare to my current lcd. So i guess the question is do I want a smoother experience, or better picture.

Also, would I always have to be running top of the line hardware? Im guessing I would need 120+fps to see the benefits of a 120hz monitor? and for 360 would it even matter that its 120hz?

 

[mnewsham]

For a 360 or PS3 i dont think the 120hz will matter unless with 3D.

 

[llamasass]

For a 360 or PS3 i dont think the 120hz will matter unless with 3D.

and i read from some reviews that 3d computer monitors wont work with consoles.

I think im really starting to lean towards the 2410. With gaming mode it seems responsive enough, and ive read few poor reviews about DELL ips screens.

 

[mnewsham]

and i read from some reviews that 3d computer monitors wont work with consoles.

I think im really starting to lean towards the 2410. With gaming mode it seems responsive enough, and ive read few poor reviews about DELL ips screens.

It's on sale until tomorrow, pick it up now for a good price.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2149453

 

[llamasass]

It's on sale until tomorrow, pick it up now for a good price.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2149453

wow, looks like im making a purchase tonight.

Those prices almost make me wanna go up to the 27" its only another 400!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[mnewsham]

wow, looks like im making a purchase tonight.

Those prices almost make me wanna go up to the 27" its only another 400!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes the 23" and 27" are the best deals at the moment!

 

[llamasass]

Yes the 23" and 27" are the best deals at the moment!

If i dont mind having 23" and 1080p. Am i better off with the 2311 over the 2410? Whats the difference between H-IPS and e-IPS?

 

[mnewsham]

If i dont mind having 23" and 1080p. Am i better off with the 2311 over the 2410? Whats the difference between H-IPS and e-IPS?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thin_f..._crystal_display#In-plane_switching_.28IPS.29

Look down at the charts and you will see the differences listed.

 

[llamasass]

thinking about getting 3 23" instead if 1 24"

I've heard that the 2410 is a better gaming monitor, but also heard the 2311 has better blacks and is calibrated better out of the box.

Can I set up a triple monitor gaming setup with nvidia cards? or would I need eyefinity? And would the game run at 5760x1080?

 

[mnewsham]

thinking about getting 3 23" instead if 1 24"

I've heard that the 2410 is a better gaming monitor, but also heard the 2311 has better blacks and is calibrated better out of the box.

Can I set up a triple monitor gaming setup with nvidia cards? or would I need eyefinity? And would the game run at 5760x1080?

You would need two cards and you CAN set it up to run 5760x1080, it just requires a powerful GPU (two of them for Nvidia)

 

[llamasass]

You would need two cards and you CAN set it up to run 5760x1080, it just requires a powerful GPU (two of them for Nvidia)

hmmmm, too much work and I only upgrade every few years. I think im going to stick with the 2410. Possibly go nuts and get the 2710! Debating whether I can afford 400more for bigger screen and higher res.

I'm sure I'll be really happy with the 2410, its big enough and the dpi isnt that big where itll look crappy. But the 27" would blow my mind away. And then when 1920x1200 is an outdated res im going to wish I had 2560x1440.

Worth it? ahhhh!!!!!!!!! cant make decisions!

 

[Dadofamunky]

If you can afford the scratch, get the Dell 27". However...

Two of those 23" would give you an awful lot of high-quality pixels. Sheesh. I have a cheap Samsung 2333T PVA panel and I'm astounded at how good it is for the money. Micro Center is selling them for $150! Blows any TN panel away for similar price. Maybe not a match for the U2410, which is what I would prefer, but this is a very good substitute.

 

[llamasass]

If you can afford the scratch, get the Dell 27". However...

Two of those 23" would give you an awful lot of high-quality pixels. Sheesh. I have a cheap Samsung 2333T PVA panel and I'm astounded at how good it is for the money. Micro Center is selling them for $150! Blows any TN panel away for similar price. Maybe not a match for the U2410, which is what I would prefer, but this is a very good substitute.

I can't make up my mind. I really want to spring for the 2710, but really don't think I can afford it.

I'm trying to convince myself that 1920x1200 will be fine for another 3-4 years, and in that time I'll be ready for a new monitor all together. But if i get the 27" with a much higher res, I might be able to use it for 5-6 years.

Is my thinking wrong?

 

[snuuggles]

Again, I’d like to give IPS a shot, but I’m worried that maybe it’s just not for gamers.

I was also waffling between the 30" dell and the upcoming 27" 120hz monitors from Acer and Asus. I'm pretty sure I'm going to go with the 120hz for the following reasons:

1. I don't edit photos, do cad work, or other stuff where color accuracy/very fine detail is a requirment.
2. I use the display alone, so viewing angles are a non-issue
3. I prefer really excellent motion resolution vs image quality. When gaming it's pretty uncommon to be looking at relatively still images, where image quality really matters. But if I see ghosting or input lag - booo, I really hate that stuff.

I currently game on an old 32" LCD TV (1360x768!), so take my advice with a grain of salt. But I really feel like the extra pixels of the high-end Dells are not really that useful to gamers, vs 120hz which I understand is awesome, even without the 3d!

FYI the acer hn274h *will* accept 3d games/movies from the PS3, but not from the xbox360.

I hope that's helpful.

PS You might want to consider the HP zr30w, as that would be cheaper than the dell, with lower input lag *and* it has a "safe" mode, so that you could game at 1280x800 if your GPU can't give you good frame-rates at 2560x1600. It just quadruples the pixels with basically zero added lag or distortion. But it's also around $1000.

 

[LucJoe]

I would say 2 options:

1) Dell U2711 - IPS, 2560x1440
2) Acer HN274H - TN, 1920x1080, 3D 120hz

 

[llamasass]

I would say 2 options:

1) Dell U2711 - IPS, 2560x1440
2) Acer HN274H - TN, 1920x1080, 3D 120hz

I may try out the Dell since the acer isnt out yet, right?

If it ends up being that bad for games, then back it goes, and I'll give the acer a shot. Whats the projected price for the Acer? I've heard anywhere from 600-1000.

Anyone know anything about Dell's return policy on monitors?

 

[Nvidiaguy07]

I have a question about the 2710 (more about the 360). I am also interested in using my monitor for the 360 as well, and was concerned about resolution and having the pixels line up 1:1

On the 2410 the res is 1920x1200, you would have to set the xbox at 1680x1050 and it wouldn't line up correctly. So thats kind of a bummer.

On the 2710, the res is 2560 x 1440, and half would be 1280x720. So you could set the 360 to output 720p which is awesome because the pixel mapping would be perfect.

I also heard that most 360 games are 720p, and they are just upscaled to 1080p. So if this is true, you wouldn't be losing out on any quality.

Is this really what the 360 does though? Or does 1080p actually look better on the 360 than 720P does?

EDIT: also, would a single 560ti be good enough to play computer games at 2560x1440?

 

[Anomaly1964]

Nvidiaguy...from what I have been told, a GTX570 is not even enough to play at 2560x1440...

 

[Nvidiaguy07]

Nvidiaguy...from what I have been told, a GTX570 is not even enough to play at 2560x1440...

what!!! no way! hmmm, well if i do, I guess I can play all my games at 1280x720 with no loss of quality, but thats a little big for me. 1920x1080 is perfect i think.

What do people who have these 3 monitor 1080p screen setups use then? That res is wayy higher than 2560x1440. (5760x1080)

Im thinking I may have to SLI, but if you NEED 2 to play at that res, how long will it be until two 560ti's isnt good enough?

 

[Anomaly1964]

what!!! no way! hmmm, well if i do, I guess I can play all my games at 1280x720 with no loss of quality, but thats a little big for me. 1920x1080 is perfect i think.

What do people who have these 3 monitor 1080p screen setups use then? That res is wayy higher than 2560x1440. (5760x1080)

Im thinking I may have to SLI, but if you NEED 2 to play at that res, how long will it be until two 560ti's isnt good enough?

On the Nvidia side, Two 570s or a single new 590 should work, with nvidia you have to have two cards for three monitors anyway/as well...

 

[Nvidiaguy07]

On the Nvidia side, Two 570s or a single new 590 should work, with nvidia you have to have two cards for three monitors anyway/as well...

i just bought a 560ti! lol. Well considering you need two 570's to run it, it wont take long until that'll no loner work.

I planned on OCing the 560, so would two OCed 560ti's be enough?

And on a side note, how much worse is 720p gaming than 1080p. I cant compare them now because obviously 1080p looks wayyy better because thats my monitors native res. But if it were 1:1, im wondering if it'll look decent. Plus if i was ok with playing at that res, it would let me use the 560ti for longer without having to upgrade.

 

[Anomaly1964]

i just bought a 560ti! lol. Well considering you need two 570's to run it, it wont take long until that'll no loner work.

I planned on OCing the 560, so would two OCed 560ti's be enough?

And on a side note, how much worse is 720p gaming than 1080p. I cant compare them now because obviously 1080p looks wayyy better because thats my monitors native res. But if it were 1:1, im wondering if it'll look decent. Plus if i was ok with playing at that res, it would let me use the 560ti for longer without having to upgrade.

Not sure here, I just pass along the info as I learn it...

One of the MAIN reasons I am looking at a 32" LCD over a 30" monitor is because I would have to:

1. Get a bigger PSU, mine is 650w...
2. Need a second 570...
3. 30" monitor is gonna run me about $1200, cost on all three upgrades, about $1700

If I can find an LCD with no mouse lag problems, I'm looking at about $550...

 

[mnewsham]

i just bought a 560ti! lol. Well considering you need two 570's to run it, it wont take long until that'll no loner work.

I planned on OCing the 560, so would two OCed 560ti's be enough?

And on a side note, how much worse is 720p gaming than 1080p. I cant compare them now because obviously 1080p looks wayyy better because thats my monitors native res. But if it were 1:1, im wondering if it'll look decent. Plus if i was ok with playing at that res, it would let me use the 560ti for longer without having to upgrade.

two 560's would be enough yes, I can't stand 720p for desktop use, gaming however it isn't AS bad.