Need suggestions on a 19" LCD monitor.

[jefbak]

Yeah I can't seem to find a 1920 1080 lcd TV that is under 40" either.
The best non TV bet seems to be the dell widescreen 24" for now.

 

[mrkun]

Out of curiosity, why are LCD HDTVs made with a 16:9 ratio, widescreen LCD monitors made with a 16:10 ratio, and smaller LCDs with a 5:4 ratio?

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: mrkun
Out of curiosity, why are LCD HDTVs made with a 16:9 ratio, widescreen LCD monitors made with a 16:10 ratio, and smaller LCDs with a 5:4 ratio?

LCD HDTVs need to to conform with DTV standards of 1920x1080 and 1280x720. Pseudo-"widescreen" 16:10 LCD monitors add a bit of height to provide a good compromise between 16:9 and 4:3 for general usage and movie viewing. You only have to live with a black bar 60 pixels tall per each side.

(1200-1080)=120 pixels of gained height real estate on a 16:10 (Word documents, anyone?)
(1200-1080)/2=just 60 pixels of black bars at the top and bottom for viewing a 1080 movie.

AFAIK only 17" and 19"s@1280x1024 have a 5:4 ratio, and I dont know why they did that. It is even more square than 4:3 ((5/4)>(4/3)), meaning bigger square area (the width is closer to the height).

 

[jefbak]

Also interesting is that size per size, LCD "TV" is almost always lower resolution than LCD monitors. There are the 23-24" monitors that support native HD 1920x1080 but for to get that in LCD HD TV you have to step up to 40"!?!?!

There may be a pixel shape issue confusing the issue as well...

This whole HDV technology is great, but trying to watch your product in HD thoughout the editing process... will that still seems to cost an arm and leg. Anyway that is just me. I am sure for gaming and stuff, many of the the new 17-19" monitors can do the job on the cheap and well.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: jefbak
Also interesting is that size per size, LCD "TV" is almost always lower resolution than LCD monitors. There are the 23-24" monitors that support native HD 1920x1080 but for to get that in LCD HD TV you have to step up to 40"!?!?!

There may be a pixel shape issue confusing the issue as well...

No no no no no...🙂
LCD TVs cannot scale as good as CRT TVs can in 99% of cases. It's not that they can't make them, it's that there is no use for a 40" LCD TV with extremely high res. There are no DTV standards for anything bigger than 1920x1080, and they'd be shooting themselves in the foot by making the native res bigger and having to scale down to the res 99% of people will be using.

And for TVs, people stand back a lot farther and thus it's a lot harder to see than sitting right in front of a monitor (usually).

This whole HDV technology is great, but trying to watch your product in HD thoughout the editing process... will that still seems to cost an arm and leg. Anyway that is just me. I am sure for gaming and stuff, many of the the new 17-19" monitors can do the job on the cheap and well.

The editing process? What do you mean?

 

[jefbak]

Oh, see I'm a video editor and I am getting my system upgraded to handle HDV projects... as cheaply as possible. To do this I need a dual core processor, a pci-x video card that hanles dual display output and a monitor to view native HDV material in as small a format as possible.
That small format issue is where things get challenging. A 13" hdv pro broadcast monitor cost about $2000 or more so that is out for me. So I am trying to find the smallest monitor that has good color rendition and supports 1920x1080.

 

[xtknight]

I understand your concern, and I have searched LG Philips LCD, AU Optronics, Chunghwa Picture Tube, Samsung, and Chi Mei Optoelectronics with no luck of 1920x1080 below the 27" or so. But is it that bad to use a 1920x1200 LCD and have 60 black pixels at the top and bottom? I'm just not seeing how that would affect editing because you still see 1920x1080 pixels.

 

[Lothar1974]

Well I actually got the Samsung 913T at Sam's Club $350 (had a $50 gift card as well). I was a little nervous on the quality of this monitor but the specs were good and the price was OK. I bought it last Friday but had to go out of town for the weekend. Talk about torture, 2 day wait! Anyway, last night I got home and hooked it up. I have to say I am really impressed with this thing. The color is great, pictures were clear and vibrant, I played a couple of DVD movies and they were awesome on it. I love this thing! Plus I have about twice the room on my desk. I played a little HL2 and could not see any difference from my old CRT monitor, if fact I think it actually looked better! Any way, I am pleased with this purchase, especially since its my first LCD! I did not see any stuck or dead pixels but am wondering if there is a good way to check for this? Thanks all!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 😀

 

[Lothar1974]

Forgot to say thanks for all the help and suggestions.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Trucker61
Anyway, I have decided to get this Samsung 970P or this Samsung 193+ if I decide that I cannot live with the white bezel. Hopefully these panels will not have the backlight bleeding the 930b had.

The 970P is supposed to come in other colors as well. See the Samsung 770p/970p brochure. http://www.samsung.com/ar/products/monitor/lcd/files/brochure_770p.pdf

Originally posted by: Lothar1974
...
I played a little HL2 and could not see any difference from my old CRT monitor, if fact I think it actually looked better! Any way, I am pleased with this purchase, especially since its my first LCD! I did not see any stuck or dead pixels but am wondering if there is a good way to check for this? Thanks all!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 😀

Nice to hear.

 

[Rob_63]

Originally posted by: xtknight

Originally posted by: Trucker61
Anyway, I have decided to get this Samsung 970P or this Samsung 193+ if I decide that I cannot live with the white bezel. Hopefully these panels will not have the backlight bleeding the 930b had.

The 970P is supposed to come in other colors as well. See the Samsung 770p/970p brochure. http://www.samsung.com/ar/products/monitor/lcd/files/brochure_770p.pdf



Thanks, I am going to wait a while till some more info has been presented on this monitor before I buy one. I bought the VP930b and was disappointed with it, and if I would have seen all the complaints about the backlight problems (which mine had) I would have never purchased one. I would rather not gamble on another unit. I ended up losing 18 beans that wasn't reimbursed for shipping.