Need suggestions for mobo+cpu+case under $250

jrstevan

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I have never built a system, but have friends that do it and I myself am confident I can do it.
Since I already have 1GB of DDR 184-pin RAM, a DVDRW, and a new 120GB HD, I just need the rest. I want to buy a case with power supply, mobo, and processor for under $250. Ultimately, I would like to have a complete system with 17" digital LCD for around the $500 range for everything I just mentioned, and including the monitor. I would like to be able to do some gaming and think the 6800GT is probably my best bet for the price. I guess $120 at least would be needed for that video card.
What do you guys think? AMD or Intel? Whatever suggestions you may have, I'm listening. Thanks for your time.
 

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the cases with the psu are ussually bad and generic so watch out take your time and do you research antec has some nice cases that come with good power supplies as for the motherboard and cpu again do you research the reviews are a good start.
 

jrstevan

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I have read many reviews, but since you guys have much more experience and knowledge of this type of thing I was hoping maybe someone here could help me or at least give me a head start.
 

DaveSimmons

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For gaming power an A64 or socket 754 Sempron is the only good choice in your price range.

You can't buy a mobo, CPU, and video card for $250 so you should probably get a motherboard using the nvidia 6100 onboard video (search on that as the northbridge at newegg.com).

An Antec SLK3700 / 3800 is a great case, though you will need to replace the power supply when you upgrade to an nvidia 7800 card.
 

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Your not going to get a case motherboard CPU and a 6800GT for that price. You might want to consider lowering your video card, as a 6600GT costs at least $100.

I suggest you go to newegg, find a motherboard and CPU that work together that seem good to you, then find a review for the motherboard.

Again, I doubt you will be able to get the 6800GT with all the things you need already.
 

jrstevan

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sorry, I made a mistake! The $250 price should not include the price of the video card. I would expect to spend around $120 extra for the 6800GT bringing the total up to at least $370 with no monitor.
 

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Originally posted by: jrstevan
sorry, I made a mistake! The $250 price should not include the price of the video card. I would expect to spend around $120 extra for the 6800GT bringing the total up to at least $370 with no monitor.

They were trying to tell you that you aren't going to get a 6800GT for $120...6600GT's still go for close to that, but not a 6800GT..
 

hurtstotalktoyou

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Supergooddeal.com has a case/PSU combo for $27 shipped. And while you may want a better PSU, the case makes absolutely no difference in the performance of the PC. It's for looks and convenience *only*. On your budget, I recommend that $27 case. You can get a nice 400W FSP PSU from newegg.com for $44 more. The problem is, if you get that $44 PSU, it only leaves $179 for motherboard + CPU. That's not a great budget.

If you choose to go with a nice PSU, then you'll have to stick to socket-754. I suggest a Biostar GeForce 6100-M7 ($64 at ewiz.com) and a Sempron 64 2500+ ($68 at ewiz.com). The Biostar board has integrated graphics, so you won't need a video card right away. However, it also has a PCIe x16 slot, so you can upgrade to something amazing later on. Perhaps most importantly, though, it has great overclocking features, so you should be able to push that lowly Sempron 2500+ up to Athlon 64 3300+ speeds without much trouble. And it leaves you with $46 to pocket for something else.

So let's review....

$68 Sempron 64 2500+ (ewiz.com)
$64 Biostar GeForce 6100-M7 (ewiz.com)
$44 FSP 400W (newegg.com)
$27 generic ATX case (supergooddeal.com)
total: $204
 

DaveSimmons

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Originally posted by: hurtstotalktoyou
So let's review....

$68 Sempron 64 2500+ (ewiz.com)
$64 Biostar GeForce 6100-M7 (ewiz.com)
$44 FSP 400W (newegg.com)
$27 generic ATX case (supergooddeal.com)
total: $204
Nice job, but I'd spend the extra $9 to move up to a Sempron 2800+ ($77 shipped at newegg)
 

jrstevan

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Thanks a bunch 'hurtstotalktoyou" (interesting handle btw). That sounds great. I am also wondering about what 'DaveSimmons" said about spending a few extra for the 2800+. The overclocking ability sounds cool too. Any suggestions on cooling? I know that Zalman makes good fans, but have not read much on cooling deals lately. Thanks again everyone for all their suggestions so far. This is really helping. Anandtech has nice reviews on systems and parts, but you guys are able to quickly break it down by price and quality.
 

hurtstotalktoyou

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Originally posted by: jrstevan
Thanks a bunch 'hurtstotalktoyou" (interesting handle btw). That sounds great. I am also wondering about what 'DaveSimmons" said about spending a few extra for the 2800+. The overclocking ability sounds cool too. Any suggestions on cooling? I know that Zalman makes good fans, but have not read much on cooling deals lately. Thanks again everyone for all their suggestions so far. This is really helping. Anandtech has nice reviews on systems and parts, but you guys are able to quickly break it down by price and quality.

Dave had a very interesting point. It's definitely possible that the 2800+ would have a slightly better OC potential--maybe about 100 MHz. If that chance is worth $9 to you, go for it!

As for cooling, I very much suggest you stick to retail. A better air cooler will cost at least $20--probably more like $30. That's just not worth the extra 100 MHz or so you'd squeeze out of it. Also, look at my sig: I've got a 50% overclock on retail!
 

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One extra note.. I'm not saying that $250 is the absolute limit for mobo+cpu+case but I thought I could get a decent system for that. Like I said before, I already have 1GB of Corsair ValueSelect Memory (512x2), a DVDRW, and a 120GB HD. If you think spending $300 for a mobo+cpu+case makes more sense and is a much greater value then you might be able to convince me of that. I definitely would want a video card and spend not much more than $125 for it. Thanks again for your time guys.
 

hurtstotalktoyou

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$157 Opteron 144 OEM (monarchcomputer.com)
$64 Biostar GeForce 6100-M9 (newegg.com)
$44 FSP 400W (newegg.com)
$27 ATX or mATX case (supergooddeal.com)
$14 s939 cooler (supergooddeal.com) or Zalman CNPS7700-ALCU for $38 at ewiz.com
total: $306 (or $330 with the Zalman)

That's the next step up. As you can see, that's quite a step--about $100. But if you want to, go ahead.
 

jrstevan

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hurtstotalktoyou,

First of all, I am amazed at the level of knowledge that you, and others, on this site have when it comes to PC parts and prices. Second, in response to the "next step up" recommendation you just gave, how much greater performance would that be? Would it give me many more features? I like the idea of being able to upgrade my processor down the road. Would I still be able to do that with the $200 setup you first prescribed?
Side note: I just found a 6800 card for $120 refurbished at:
http://labs.anandtech.com/alllinks.php?pfilter=1006

good deal?
 

hurtstotalktoyou

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Not the way you think, no. You'd have to replace your motherboard & CPU, which is a bit annoying. However, it's not as expensive as you might think, either, considering you could sell your old CPU and motherboard on Ebay. Think of it as a sort of rebate for buying the upgrade. You'd be able to keep everything else, though, including the case, PSU, RAM, hard disk, DVD/CD drive, etc.

Also, I'm not quite as saavy as that. Here's a funny story about my last upgrade...

I had an HP Pavilion a734n with the following specs:

Athlon XP 2400+
proprietary mATX socket A motherboard w/ integrated video/LAN/audio
1GB RAM (1x512MB PC2100 & 1x512MB PC3200)
64 MB nVidia GeForce4 MX 420 graphics card w/RCA-out
80 GB PATA hard disk
60 GB PATA hard disk
3.5" proprietary floppy
DVD burner
CD-RW
56K modem
PCI firewire
proprietary mATX case
200W no-name PSU
Windows XP Home (proprietary--only works with motherboard)

So I sold off the case, motherboard, CPU, 512MB RAM, 80GB hdd, 3.5" floppy, firewire, and WinXP. I used the earnings to buy an Epox EP-8KDA3J, 80GB Seagate 7200.7 and Sempron 64 2800+. I put this together with an old ATX case and floppy drive I had left over from a long time ago, and also the 512MB PC3200, DVD burner, CD burner, 56K modem, 200W PSU and an old copy of WinXP I wasn't using. Between the money I spent and the money I got back, I had a net loss of about $35. Not bad, huh? I proceeded to put all these parts together.

In my preliminary setup, which did not include all connections, everything worked fine. I overclocked my CPU to 2.4 GHz without trouble. I was very happy. Then I went back and finalized all my connections. I flipped on the switch, and--nothing! The PSU gave me a red light, and no matter what I unplugged, it would not give in. I figured I had fried the PSU. D'oh! I had some ideas about jumpers and other connections, but I was too upset and impatient. I needed a PSU, and I needed it now!

Where does one find a PSU in short notice? CompUSA. You'll notice, however, that CompUSA's prices are between 150-200% what they should be. But I needed my PC, now. So I buckled down.

The cheapest PSU at CompUSA which was more powerful than my own cost $50 + tax, but it was a no-name generic. Should I pay $55 for what I can buy online for $20? So, I looked at the next step up, an Antec 350W for $70 + tax. Normally, that unit would cost about $50 online. Something comparable from FSP would have cost $37. But I had access to neither. I must either buy a no-name for $55 or an Antec for $75. I chose the Antec.

And so I brought it home, plugged it in, and--no boot! After panicking some more, I figured out that I had plugged in the front USB ports into the wrong spot on the Epox board, causing the system to freeze. Plugging them in correctly fixed this problem. It turned out I never needed a PSU at all!

I was able to get $10 for the 200W unit, thankfully. Even so, what should have been a $35 upgrade ended up costing $100, all because of my impatient, idiotic mistake.
 

DaveSimmons

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hurtstotalktoyou is doing fine without me :) but if you go with the cheap system the Sempron 2800+ will be good even at stock speed, so you wouldn't need to try overclocking right away.

Socket 939 has much more upgrade potential than socket 754, but by the time you're ready to upgrade again you might be wanting their upcoming CPUs that use a new socket and DDR2. I'd suggest buying a 939 combo to use today more than to future proof.
 

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So basically, the $200 setup with a decent video card should be sufficient for average gaming? I like games like Age of Empires, Civilization, and Half Life 2. Would that require much greater power than what we're talking about?
 

jrstevan

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hurtstotalktoyou,

I could not find the Opteron 144 at MonarchComputer, as well as the $44 FSP at NewEgg although there were several listed in that price range.
 

hurtstotalktoyou

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Yup, you're right. Seems monarch ran out of the 144 OEM. They do have the Opteron 146 retail for $216, though.

Of course, that's well out of your price range. Zipzoomfly.com has an Athlon 64 3200+ retail for $160, though.

So that's....

$160 Athlon 64 3200+ (zipzoomfly.com)
$64 Biostar GeForce 6100-M9 (newegg.com)
$44 FSP 400W (newegg.com)
$27 ATX case (supergooddeal.com)
That's $295 total. The setup is almost identical to the Sempron setup I first mentioned, except that you have a s939 board (which is upgradable to dual core), and the CPU would be a bit better. How much better? The Sempron has a 256 KB L2, and this 3200+ has a 512 KB L2. Also, this CPU will probably get up to 2.6 GHz, while the 2500+ and 2800+ have a limit of about 2.4 GHz.

$216 Opteron 146
$64 Biostar GeForce 6100-M9 (newegg.com)
$44 FSP 400W (newegg.com)
$27 ATX case (supergooddeal.com)
$351 total. This time, you'll have 1MB L2 cache, and the clock speed would probably get up to 2.7 or 2.8 GHz.

I say stick with the Sempron. But these are just suggestions.
 

jrstevan

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I think maybe I will stay with the $200 system that you first suggested. You make it sound like it is good for now. I just want it to be good for a year or so, then upgrade at that time. With the $200 setup I can use the extra money for the video card and possibly a new 17" digital LCD display. I would like to overclock it to 2.4Ghz like you did. Do you suggest just using the stock cooling? If so, can you give me a link to get me started in learning the basics of overclocking? Thanks again for your help and time. If anyone has any more suggestions or objections please let me know...

BTW what do you think of this combo.. AMD Sempron Processor 3100+ & ECS NFORCE3-A Motherboard for only $90 at Fry's Outpost. Good deal? here is the link
 

jrstevan

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For anyone who is interested, I have just ordered the following items from NewEgg:

AMD Sempron 64 2800+ $75.50

BIOSTAR TForce6100 $67.25

FSP 400W Power Supply $36.99

Rosewill Case w/400W power supply $42.99

TOTAL = $240.69 (shipped)

I also received $10 off for buying the cpu+mobo combo. Another $10 off if I send in the refund form for PC Mag (optional on NewEgg since they send me one with this order, and is a $9.97 "value"). I was convinced through research and user comments that I needed to get a better power supply for this case. I wonder, though, if anyone would buy the cheap one (from the Rosewill case) on eBay?
Thanks again for everyone's help and patience in helping me. Seems like $240 shipped is a great deal if everything runs well and I can overclock this puppy!