Need some pull-up advice

[crt1530]

Originally posted by: isekii
If you can do under grip great.. Do Bicep curls, Hammer Curls, and Chest Lat pull downs.

If overgrip. Do Hammers, Lat Pull Downs, Shoulders and Back.

There is absolutely no exercise that will help you improve your pullups and chins better than pullups and chins.

 

[SVT Cobra]

You have one goal...to increase your pull ups.


STOP DOING OTHER EXERCISES.

Not only is doing pull ups enough sufficient, you are wasting time, energy, and recovery time by doing other exercises. When you are light weight and get into the 20's of pull ups it no longer becomes a a real muscular exercise. Yes you are using your muscles a lot, but it becomes a lot more muscular endurance and aerobic...just keep doing pull ups that is it.

 

[isekii]

Originally posted by: crt1530

Originally posted by: isekii
If you can do under grip great.. Do Bicep curls, Hammer Curls, and Chest Lat pull downs.

If overgrip. Do Hammers, Lat Pull Downs, Shoulders and Back.

There is absolutely no exercise that will help you improve your pullups and chins better than pullups and chins.

Of course there is.
Why would you say that the only way to improve your pulls is doing chinups or pullups.
Those two exercises use different parts of the muscle.
If you strengthen the muscles that are involved with said exercises, you'll definitely see an improvement.

 

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: crt1530

Originally posted by: isekii
If you can do under grip great.. Do Bicep curls, Hammer Curls, and Chest Lat pull downs.

If overgrip. Do Hammers, Lat Pull Downs, Shoulders and Back.

There is absolutely no exercise that will help you improve your pullups and chins better than pullups and chins.

Of course there is.
Why would you say that the only way to improve your pulls is doing chinups or pullups.
Those two exercises use different parts of the muscle.
If you strengthen the muscles that are involved with said exercises, you'll definitely see an improvement.

There is no need to strengthen any area...when you do 20+ it is not about how strong you are it is about how fast your muscles can wisk away urea and ammonia and lactic acid away and replace them with oxygen rich blood.

All he needs to do is keep doing pull ups and increase the number as he can...that's all

Stop posting if you don't know what you are talking about.

 

[isekii]

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: crt1530

Originally posted by: isekii
If you can do under grip great.. Do Bicep curls, Hammer Curls, and Chest Lat pull downs.

If overgrip. Do Hammers, Lat Pull Downs, Shoulders and Back.

There is absolutely no exercise that will help you improve your pullups and chins better than pullups and chins.

Of course there is.
Why would you say that the only way to improve your pulls is doing chinups or pullups.
Those two exercises use different parts of the muscle.
If you strengthen the muscles that are involved with said exercises, you'll definitely see an improvement.

There is no need to strengthen any area...when you do 20+ it is not about how strong you are it is about how fast your muscles can wisk away urea and ammonia and lactic acid away and replace them with oxygen rich blood.

All he needs to do is keep doing pull ups and increase the number as he can...that's all

Stop posting if you don't know what you are talking about.

LoL so are you saying he doesn't need to strengthen the muscles involved with pullups and chinups.
What do you think he's doing when he's doing those exercises.
How many do you think he can pull in a day... that it'll help him increase his reps.
It's obvious muscle endurance is also involved, but it's gonna take him forever to increase his pullups and chinups just by doing pullups and chinups.

 

[illusion88]

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
You have one goal...to increase your pull ups.


STOP DOING OTHER EXERCISES.

Not only is doing pull ups enough sufficient, you are wasting time, energy, and recovery time by doing other exercises. When you are light weight and get into the 20's of pull ups it no longer becomes a a real muscular exercise. Yes you are using your muscles a lot, but it becomes a lot more muscular endurance and aerobic...just keep doing pull ups that is it.

Except he has to maintain a maximum 18 minutes on his 3 mile run.... thus the running.

 

[AbAbber2k]

Originally posted by: isekii
Chinups are actually easier since it uses your Biceps muscles. But even then... I call bs

:roll:

They both use your biceps.

The only difference is that when you have a pronated grip (palms away), the radius "rotates" around the ulna. And since biceps brachii attaches to the Radius, this stretches the muscle slightly and makes the exercise more difficult. Because of this, various other muscles work harder to compensate. These include brachialis (which is sort of underneat brachii, and attaches to the ulna instead of the radius), latissium dorsi and teres major (and probably others to some degree, but i'm not gonna go find them all 😛).

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
You have one goal...to increase your pull ups.


STOP DOING OTHER EXERCISES.

Not only is doing pull ups enough sufficient, you are wasting time, energy, and recovery time by doing other exercises. When you are light weight and get into the 20's of pull ups it no longer becomes a a real muscular exercise. Yes you are using your muscles a lot, but it becomes a lot more muscular endurance and aerobic...just keep doing pull ups that is it.

QFT

However, I would suggest that, in addition to pull-ups, you do various other weighted exercises that work the muscles necessary to do pull-ups. ie: bicep curls and wide-grip pull-downs.

I use to be able to do over 25 pull-ups in one go... now I'm lucky if I can do 12. I hope this ATOT Body Competition can get me motivated again. 😉

 

[crt1530]

Originally posted by: illusion88

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
You have one goal...to increase your pull ups.


STOP DOING OTHER EXERCISES.

Not only is doing pull ups enough sufficient, you are wasting time, energy, and recovery time by doing other exercises. When you are light weight and get into the 20's of pull ups it no longer becomes a a real muscular exercise. Yes you are using your muscles a lot, but it becomes a lot more muscular endurance and aerobic...just keep doing pull ups that is it.

Except he has to maintain a maximum 18 minutes on his 3 mile run.... thus the running.

He wasn't talking about running. He was talking about all of the ancillary exercises (bicep curls, bowflex, etc.) the OP is doing.

 

[nick1985]

I guess I should mention this as well, since many are saying just do pull-ups. I dont have a pull-up bar in my parents house that I currently live in. Ive looked all around our unfinished basement and there is simply nothing I could use, which is why i substitute with the bowflex and the other types of lifting. On one of my running routes there is a grade school that has a swingset bar that works quite nicely so I stop there whenever I run past and do a mini pull-up workout in the middle of a run.

 

[crt1530]

Originally posted by: nick1985
I guess I should mention this as well, since many are saying just do pull-ups. I dont have a pull-up bar in my parents house that I currently live in. Ive looked all around our unfinished basement and there is simply nothing I could use, which is why i substitute with the bowflex and the other types of lifting. On one of my running routes there is a grade school that has a swingset bar that works quite nicely so I stop there whenever I run past and do a mini pull-up workout in the middle of a run.

I posted a link to a portable pullup bar that you can hang in a doorway without damaging the door frame. It's only $60 shipped. Nobody ever worked up to 20 chins by doing bicep curls and seated rows on a bowflex machine.

 

[Balt]

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
You have one goal...to increase your pull ups.


STOP DOING OTHER EXERCISES.

Not only is doing pull ups enough sufficient, you are wasting time, energy, and recovery time by doing other exercises. When you are light weight and get into the 20's of pull ups it no longer becomes a a real muscular exercise. Yes you are using your muscles a lot, but it becomes a lot more muscular endurance and aerobic...just keep doing pull ups that is it.

He needs to be doing a total body workout. Getting through Marine OCS is going to involve a lot more than just passing his PFT. He's probably going to be doing a lot of lunges, leg lifts, bear-crawling, crab-walking, push-ups, diamond push-ups, 8-count bodybuilders, etc. etc. etc.

If he trains only in exercises that will get him past the PFT he is going to get a lot of flak at OCS when he can't do the numerous other exercises.

 

[crt1530]

Originally posted by: Balt

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
You have one goal...to increase your pull ups.


STOP DOING OTHER EXERCISES.

Not only is doing pull ups enough sufficient, you are wasting time, energy, and recovery time by doing other exercises. When you are light weight and get into the 20's of pull ups it no longer becomes a a real muscular exercise. Yes you are using your muscles a lot, but it becomes a lot more muscular endurance and aerobic...just keep doing pull ups that is it.

He needs to be doing a total body workout. Getting through Marine OCS is going to involve a lot more than just passing his PFT. He's probably going to be doing a lot of lunges, leg lifts, bear-crawling, crab-walking, push-ups, diamond push-ups, 8-count bodybuilders, etc. etc. etc.

If he trains only in exercises that will get him past the PFT he is going to get a lot of flak at OCS when he can't do the numerous other exercises.

Heh. You just had to go and point out the elephant in the room.

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: Balt

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
You have one goal...to increase your pull ups.


STOP DOING OTHER EXERCISES.

Not only is doing pull ups enough sufficient, you are wasting time, energy, and recovery time by doing other exercises. When you are light weight and get into the 20's of pull ups it no longer becomes a a real muscular exercise. Yes you are using your muscles a lot, but it becomes a lot more muscular endurance and aerobic...just keep doing pull ups that is it.

He needs to be doing a total body workout. Getting through Marine OCS is going to involve a lot more than just passing his PFT. He's probably going to be doing a lot of lunges, leg lifts, bear-crawling, crab-walking, push-ups, diamond push-ups, 8-count bodybuilders, etc. etc. etc.

If he trains only in exercises that will get him past the PFT he is going to get a lot of flak at OCS when he can't do the numerous other exercises.

Balt pretty much said what I was going to say. Yes, I need to increase my pull-ups, but I cannot sacrifice my other types of training to just focus on pull-ups. Im looking to do a few extra things that will help me in that area, but I cannot sacrifice my workouts just to do well in one area.

 

[Safeway]

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: crt1530

Originally posted by: isekii
If you can do under grip great.. Do Bicep curls, Hammer Curls, and Chest Lat pull downs.

If overgrip. Do Hammers, Lat Pull Downs, Shoulders and Back.

There is absolutely no exercise that will help you improve your pullups and chins better than pullups and chins.

Of course there is.
Why would you say that the only way to improve your pulls is doing chinups or pullups.
Those two exercises use different parts of the muscle.
If you strengthen the muscles that are involved with said exercises, you'll definitely see an improvement.

There is no need to strengthen any area...when you do 20+ it is not about how strong you are it is about how fast your muscles can wisk away urea and ammonia and lactic acid away and replace them with oxygen rich blood.

All he needs to do is keep doing pull ups and increase the number as he can...that's all

Stop posting if you don't know what you are talking about.

LoL so are you saying he doesn't need to strengthen the muscles involved with pullups and chinups.
What do you think he's doing when he's doing those exercises.
How many do you think he can pull in a day... that it'll help him increase his reps.
It's obvious muscle endurance is also involved, but it's gonna take him forever to increase his pullups and chinups just by doing pullups and chinups.

isekii, you have no clue what the hell you are talking about. I would stay quiet if I were you, though, the damage is already done; you look like a fool.

The best exercise to help improve your pull-ups would be pull-ups.
The best exercise to help improve your chin-ups would be chin-ups.

Neither SVT or I said that the only way to improve pull-ups and chin-ups are more pull-ups and chin-ups, we just said that they are the best way to improve them. Conditioning your muscles for the exact exercise is the best thing you can do. Pull-ups and chin-ups work your entire upper body. It doesn't matter how stronger you are to a point, it just matters more that you improve your lactic acid system and condition your body to doing pull-ups or chin-ups, as SVT said.

 

[jiggahertz]

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: crt1530

Originally posted by: isekii
If you can do under grip great.. Do Bicep curls, Hammer Curls, and Chest Lat pull downs.

If overgrip. Do Hammers, Lat Pull Downs, Shoulders and Back.

There is absolutely no exercise that will help you improve your pullups and chins better than pullups and chins.

Of course there is.
Why would you say that the only way to improve your pulls is doing chinups or pullups.
Those two exercises use different parts of the muscle.
If you strengthen the muscles that are involved with said exercises, you'll definitely see an improvement.

There is no need to strengthen any area...when you do 20+ it is not about how strong you are it is about how fast your muscles can wisk away urea and ammonia and lactic acid away and replace them with oxygen rich blood.

All he needs to do is keep doing pull ups and increase the number as he can...that's all

Stop posting if you don't know what you are talking about.

Yes, as others have said the only way to improve pullups/chins are to do pullups/chins. The only thing I would add to that is to have someone assist you to get some partial reps or forced negatives.

 

[JEDI]

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: JEDI

Originally posted by: nick1985
Woot got 7 today! And that was 3.5 miles into a 5 mile run. I stopped at a local grade school playground and found a swingset 😛. I nearly got 8, and I probably could have if I did it fresh. Improved by 3 in just a couple days.

I started to do arm-curls while I watch TV. Every commercial break, do a few sets with each arm. :beer:

wait.. u went from 4 to 7 chinups in a couple of days just by doing arm curls?!

that doesnt sound right... muscles need time to recover and build up, no?

Yea I call BS.
Chinups/PullUps are one of the more difficult things to do.

Chinups are actually easier since it uses your Biceps muscles. But even then... I call bs

Thats not all I have been doing. I started doing push-ups, lat-pull downs, and just general bench-pressing. What I think may have made me jump like that is I tried the under the bar grip instead of over. I think I get more power with that method.

lol.. u went from pullup to chinup. no wonder the improvement. all your other excercises didnt help squat in 2 days. chinups are MUCH easier.

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: JEDI

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: JEDI

Originally posted by: nick1985
Woot got 7 today! And that was 3.5 miles into a 5 mile run. I stopped at a local grade school playground and found a swingset 😛. I nearly got 8, and I probably could have if I did it fresh. Improved by 3 in just a couple days.

I started to do arm-curls while I watch TV. Every commercial break, do a few sets with each arm. :beer:

wait.. u went from 4 to 7 chinups in a couple of days just by doing arm curls?!

that doesnt sound right... muscles need time to recover and build up, no?

Yea I call BS.
Chinups/PullUps are one of the more difficult things to do.

Chinups are actually easier since it uses your Biceps muscles. But even then... I call bs

Thats not all I have been doing. I started doing push-ups, lat-pull downs, and just general bench-pressing. What I think may have made me jump like that is I tried the under the bar grip instead of over. I think I get more power with that method.

lol.. u went from pullup to chinup. no wonder the improvement. all your other excercises didnt help squat in 2 days. chinups are MUCH easier.

Excuse me for not being a master in the pull-up/chin-up department. :roll:

 

[isekii]

Originally posted by: Safeway

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: crt1530

Originally posted by: isekii
If you can do under grip great.. Do Bicep curls, Hammer Curls, and Chest Lat pull downs.

If overgrip. Do Hammers, Lat Pull Downs, Shoulders and Back.

There is absolutely no exercise that will help you improve your pullups and chins better than pullups and chins.

Of course there is.
Why would you say that the only way to improve your pulls is doing chinups or pullups.
Those two exercises use different parts of the muscle.
If you strengthen the muscles that are involved with said exercises, you'll definitely see an improvement.

There is no need to strengthen any area...when you do 20+ it is not about how strong you are it is about how fast your muscles can wisk away urea and ammonia and lactic acid away and replace them with oxygen rich blood.

All he needs to do is keep doing pull ups and increase the number as he can...that's all

Stop posting if you don't know what you are talking about.

LoL so are you saying he doesn't need to strengthen the muscles involved with pullups and chinups.
What do you think he's doing when he's doing those exercises.
How many do you think he can pull in a day... that it'll help him increase his reps.
It's obvious muscle endurance is also involved, but it's gonna take him forever to increase his pullups and chinups just by doing pullups and chinups.

isekii, you have no clue what the hell you are talking about. I would stay quiet if I were you, though, the damage is already done; you look like a fool.

The best exercise to help improve your pull-ups would be pull-ups.
The best exercise to help improve your chin-ups would be chin-ups.

Neither SVT or I said that the only way to improve pull-ups and chin-ups are more pull-ups and chin-ups, we just said that they are the best way to improve them. Conditioning your muscles for the exact exercise is the best thing you can do. Pull-ups and chin-ups work your entire upper body. It doesn't matter how stronger you are to a point, it just matters more that you improve your lactic acid system and condition your body to doing pull-ups or chin-ups, as SVT said.

Listen Mr. Fvcking know it alls.
I've been lifting since I was like 15 when I wrestled in High school and I still lift till this day. I'm 26 now.
Doing Pull ups and Chin Ups aren't the ONLY WAY OF INCREASING YOUR ABILITY TO DO THEM.
He'll have it much easier working the muscles involved with Pull Ups and Chin Ups.
How much of a work out do you think he'll get doing 4 pull ups or 5 chin ups at a time ?
Is he gonna be doing that the full day several times at the gym ? I highly doubt it.
Did I suggest he stop doing pull ups and chin ups ? All I said was he'd benefit from doing other exercises that will work out the muscles involved with chin ups and pull ups.

There's a limit of how many one can do before you muscle gives out.... So why not do other exercises that will condition the muscles involved ?
Obviously pull ups aren't all about strength, it's also muscle endurance.
Make sense ?

 

[nick1985]

:Q

I didnt mean to cause such a heated debate 😱

 

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: Safeway

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: crt1530

Originally posted by: isekii
If you can do under grip great.. Do Bicep curls, Hammer Curls, and Chest Lat pull downs.

If overgrip. Do Hammers, Lat Pull Downs, Shoulders and Back.

There is absolutely no exercise that will help you improve your pullups and chins better than pullups and chins.

Of course there is.
Why would you say that the only way to improve your pulls is doing chinups or pullups.
Those two exercises use different parts of the muscle.
If you strengthen the muscles that are involved with said exercises, you'll definitely see an improvement.

There is no need to strengthen any area...when you do 20+ it is not about how strong you are it is about how fast your muscles can wisk away urea and ammonia and lactic acid away and replace them with oxygen rich blood.

All he needs to do is keep doing pull ups and increase the number as he can...that's all

Stop posting if you don't know what you are talking about.

LoL so are you saying he doesn't need to strengthen the muscles involved with pullups and chinups.
What do you think he's doing when he's doing those exercises.
How many do you think he can pull in a day... that it'll help him increase his reps.
It's obvious muscle endurance is also involved, but it's gonna take him forever to increase his pullups and chinups just by doing pullups and chinups.

isekii, you have no clue what the hell you are talking about. I would stay quiet if I were you, though, the damage is already done; you look like a fool.

The best exercise to help improve your pull-ups would be pull-ups.
The best exercise to help improve your chin-ups would be chin-ups.

Neither SVT or I said that the only way to improve pull-ups and chin-ups are more pull-ups and chin-ups, we just said that they are the best way to improve them. Conditioning your muscles for the exact exercise is the best thing you can do. Pull-ups and chin-ups work your entire upper body. It doesn't matter how stronger you are to a point, it just matters more that you improve your lactic acid system and condition your body to doing pull-ups or chin-ups, as SVT said.

Listen Mr. Fvcking know it alls.
I've been lifting since I was like 15 when I wrestled in High school and I still lift till this day. I'm 26 now.
Doing Pull ups and Chin Ups aren't the ONLY WAY OF INCREASING YOUR ABILITY TO DO THEM.
He'll have it much easier working the muscles involved with Pull Ups and Chin Ups.
How much of a work out do you think he'll get doing 4 pull ups or 5 chin ups at a time ?
Is he gonna be doing that the full day several times at the gym ? I highly doubt it.
Did I suggest he stop doing pull ups and chin ups ? All I said was he'd benefit from doing other exercises that will work out the muscles involved with chin ups and pull ups.

There's a limit of how many one can do before you muscle gives out.... So why not do other exercises that will condition the muscles involved ?
Obviously pull ups aren't all about strength, it's also muscle endurance.
Make sense ?

We never said all he should do is pull ups, I said stop wasting time devoting "assistance" exercises to pull ups.

Also you have no idea.