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chowderhead

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Originally posted by: JohnCU
Originally posted by: KarenMarie
can you get a second job? part time a few shifts a week?

Seriously, I know that the big thing now is debt consolidation and lower monthly payments but if you own the home and it has been paid off, I would never want to borrow against it.

Do you own it free and clear? Can you take a loan from the grandparents?

No to 2nd job, already gone 11 to 12 hours a day now at current full time job. Part time job when school starts back that pays about $120 every 2 weeks. The house is paid for, and they own it...

A mortgage is not free money, it needs to be repaid with monthly payments. I would imagine your Grandparent are counting on that house as their retirement nest egg ... now you want them to consider mortgaging it. What if one of them gets sick and needs to placed in an assisted home or has a large medical bill? They can lose everything. For old people, I would advise them to consider a reverse mortgage (just my opinion).

You need to sit down and make some hard choices. Either cut expenses or increase your income.
1). Scanning through your previous threads, you can save by cutting WAYYYY back on the alcohol i.e. $140 on mixed drinks is a waste of money when you are in debt. I hope that none of the two wrecks had anything to do with because next time you could be in a world of hurt financially or worse.
2). Do you have other expenses you can cut? Cell phone, internet, cable, food, type of car insurance, etc.
3). Increase your income, sell some of your stuff, take on more student loans,
BUDGET BUDGET BUDGET and read that FW thread!
 

KarenMarie

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Originally posted by: JohnCU
Originally posted by: KarenMarie
can you get a second job? part time a few shifts a week?

Seriously, I know that the big thing now is debt consolidation and lower monthly payments but if you own the home and it has been paid off, I would never want to borrow against it.

Do you own it free and clear? Can you take a loan from the grandparents?

No to 2nd job, already gone 11 to 12 hours a day now at current full time job. Part time job when school starts back that pays about $120 every 2 weeks. The house is paid for, and they own it...

not to be rude or anything.. honest... but you are never gonna sort this out unless you are willing to find the time to work more. I take it that you are not married, dont have kids... average 7 hours a night in sleep and the rest of the time you can be working.

If you want it bad enough.. you will find a way to do it. Trust me, I know this from experience.

As far as borrowing against your house... you are already in debt and want to borrow more so you can kinda rob peter to pay paul. And if, God forbid, something goes wrong, you will lose your home.

EDIT: as someone else mentioned above... it is a good idea to consider putting school on hold until you pay this off. school will be there when you are done.
 

JohnCU

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Originally posted by: chowderhead
[A mortgage is not free money, it needs to be repaid with monthly payments. I would imagine your Grandparent are counting on that house as their retirement nest egg ... now you want them to consider mortgaging it. What if one of them gets sick and needs to placed in an assisted home or has a large medical bill? They can lose everything. For old people, I would advise them to consider a reverse mortgage (just my opinion).

You need to sit down and make some hard choices. Either cut expenses or increase your income.
1). Scanning through your previous threads, you can save by cutting WAYYYY back on the alcohol i.e. $140 on mixed drinks is a waste of money when you are in debt. I hope that none of the two wrecks had anything to do with because next time you could be in a world of hurt financially or worse.
2). Do you have other expenses you can cut? Cell phone, internet, cable, food, type of car insurance, etc.
3). Increase your income, sell some of your stuff, take on more student loans,
BUDGET BUDGET BUDGET and read that FW thread!

1. First wreck was a mistake, no ticket, no drinking, broad daylight, no insurance increase. Second wreck, not my fault, no drinking. I don't drink and drive and I'm giving up drinking to save money (it adds up).
2. I don't have any un-needed monthly expenses.
3. Going to try to sell some stuff as soon as I can figure out acceptable prices.

and I'm not some whiney kid robbing his family of their retirement. This is not their nest egg. I won't go into details about their financial situation, but if they would get a low-interest mortgage for us, it'd be a hell of a lot better than paying 15-20% on CC's every month.

and I'm not dropping out of school. That'd be the worst mistake I could make cause I'd probably never go back and I'd forget all the stuff I've already learned.
 

JohnCU

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What does it mean on your credit report when it says "charge off" but still has a balance?

n/m shoulda Googled it. They say it's uncollectable to get a tax benefit, but you still owe it.
 

cHeeZeFacTory

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call Xzibit and tell him to pimp your ride!

8K on girls and clothes, lol. Are you buying diamonds and hermes purses on first dates?
 

exilera

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Originally posted by: JohnCU
Originally posted by: amdforever2
Can grandparents give enough of a loan and you pay them back?

Rather than borrowing against the house from a bank?

Possibly, but I'd rather not ask them that though, I don't want them to know how bad it is.

It's not that bad; ask them, they may surprise you. I'm sure you fully expected to have the school loans for a while. Just make regular payments there. Your credit card debt isn't bad; definitely possible to pay that off with monthly payments.

Mortgage is an option, but I'd ask your grandparent's first.
 

dxkj

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Originally posted by: sonz70
Good luck here man..its gonna be rough...



but..if you want to know an easy way to make money.... as long as your hot... there are things you can do....

SHENS!
 

pclstyle

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Originally posted by: dxkj
Originally posted by: sonz70
Good luck here man..its gonna be rough...



but..if you want to know an easy way to make money.... as long as your hot... there are things you can do....

SHENS!


:thumbsup:
 

ggnl

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Originally posted by: JohnCU
Originally posted by: eakers
the biggest problem is that its not your house, its your grandparents.

i can get them to hand over the deed to us.

So you're going to get your grandparents to give you a house to fix your stupid mistakes?

Get a real fvcking job. Not just a summer internship. Consolidating your debts is not going to magically fix things. You'll still have all the debt. And chances are you would just run the credit cards back up thinking that you'll be able to pay it all off with that EE job you just know you're going to get the minute you graduate.

It's clear from your responses throughout this thread as well as other stuff that you have posted that you are still financially irresponsible, despite the fact that you are already in way over your head. You aren't going to be able to fix anything until you change attitude towards working and spending.
 

Noirish

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Try to cut down on the cost first. Don't make any unnecessary spending. See if it cuts down the amount of debt in 3-6 months. If it does, keep doing that. If it doesn't, you are in serious trouble. File for bankrupcy?

I wouldn't go the route of taking out a loan on the house. There is a reason your grandparents keep the deeds and not your parents. They just might be digging a bigger hole to jump in.
 

dabuddha

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That's sort of what I did. I had quite a bit of cc debt racked up throughout college (not as high as yours though).

I had my dad cosign with me for a loan to pay off the full amount. I then just made a single payment to the bank for 2 years to pay off the full debt. Been debt free for over 2 years now and I'm loving it!
 

fbrdphreak

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Originally posted by: Warthog912
When I mean work like a slave, I mean work 12+ Hours a day M-F, while holding a Weekend job and getting minimal sleep.
I work 8 hours/day M-F, an additional 4 hours 2 weeknights, and usually 8-15 hours on the weekends. I have a needy girlfriend, I try to work out, and I'm a Senior Editor @ the site in my sig. Oh, full-time student during the school year too. Total of four day/night/weekend jobs, + the editor gig. And I've only got $300 on my CC :Q

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JohnCU

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Originally posted by: ggnl
Originally posted by: JohnCU
Originally posted by: eakers
the biggest problem is that its not your house, its your grandparents.

i can get them to hand over the deed to us.

So you're going to get your grandparents to give you a house to fix your stupid mistakes?

Get a real fvcking job. Not just a summer internship. Consolidating your debts is not going to magically fix things. You'll still have all the debt. And chances are you would just run the credit cards back up thinking that you'll be able to pay it all off with that EE job you just know you're going to get the minute you graduate.

It's clear from your responses throughout this thread as well as other stuff that you have posted that you are still financially irresponsible, despite the fact that you are already in way over your head. You aren't going to be able to fix anything until you change attitude towards working and spending.

Okay holier than thou, my internship is a real job. And when I finish and come back to the company for a job? Guess what? Straight to Engineer instead of the first level..No person in their right mind taking 17 hours of EE classes would have a full time job during the semester, you couldn't make it.
 

Landroval

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Originally posted by: JohnCU
Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Cut up your credit cards today, consider taking a semester off & working to get your finances under control.

Don't push your mom to take out a mortgage on the house, sounds like your grandparents are on the right track by keeping the title to the house.

You've made the first step by talking about your debit, now fix it...

Why not a mortgage? Wouldn't it simplify everything?


No because you are spending a lot more than you have. The solution is to stop using all credit, live on painfully few finances and do extra work to pay off your debt. It's better you learn this lesson now than cover it up by mortgaging your Mom's house. I'd also talk to fonancial aid at your school. Assuming you have done well academically you can probably find more aid. Or you can talk about a change in financial need,
 

qaa541

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It wouldnt be a good idea to move unsecured debt to a secured debt(mortgage). Work hard to pay that crap off! If anything try to get a loan from family. It's usually interest free!
 

JohnCU

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Originally posted by: Landroval
Originally posted by: JohnCU
Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Cut up your credit cards today, consider taking a semester off & working to get your finances under control.

Don't push your mom to take out a mortgage on the house, sounds like your grandparents are on the right track by keeping the title to the house.

You've made the first step by talking about your debit, now fix it...

Why not a mortgage? Wouldn't it simplify everything?


No because you are spending a lot more than you have. The solution is to stop using all credit, live on painfully few finances and do extra work to pay off your debt. It's better you learn this lesson now than cover it up by mortgaging your Mom's house. I'd also talk to fonancial aid at your school. Assuming you have done well academically you can probably find more aid. Or you can talk about a change in financial need,

Except that the mortgage would allow us to pay off all the credit cards, clean up the credit record, and have a lower interest rate (possibly) and one bill each month.
 

dullard

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My thoughts in roughly the order that you brought up the subjects:

1) Start applying for as many scholarships as you have time to apply for. Even if you spend 100 hours and you get a measly $5000 scholarship that is $50 an hour. Realistically, it'll be more like 20 hours and a $1000 scholarship, but it is still $50 an hour.

2) Get more student loans. You'll never get a better loan in your life. Very low interest rate and it is virtually always tax deductable (mortgage interest is only deductable if you pay massive amounts or have massive other deductions).

3) Stop using the CCs. That is your big mistake so far. I don't care if you eat nothing but ramen noodles and water, do whatever it takes to pay them down as fast as possible. Even though you think you don't spend any more than you need, yes you do. Your mention of a car is a great example. If your car runs now, you don't need another at this point in your life.

3b) Call the CC companies and ask for interest rate deductions. You could easilly save yourself $1000+. It can't hurt to call.

4) I don't know what your mother has to do with you. She can work out her own problems. If the debt is near one years salary, then bankruptcy is usually the best option. So if in reality she owes more like $50k, she really should consider it. I think October is the deadline to get bankruptcy started before the stringent rule changes take place (google for the exact deadline).

5) Get full coverage insurance next time. No you don't need a new car. Forget about it until the CC debt is gone and you are out of school. Yes it sucks. But you can deal without a great car for now.

6) Reconsider those long drives. No, you don't ever have to go home during the semester. Also, rethink that 120 mile commute. Lets do the math on this "great internship pay". I assume you work 8 hour days at $20 an hour. Thus $20*8 = $160 a day. Sounds decent at first. But wait, you drive 120 miles a day. Including cost of gas, wear and tear on the vehicle, and maintainence you really do spend about 37 cents per mile. Thus you are spending $44.40 a day to drive to work. So you are only netting $160-$44.40 = $115.60 a day. How much time do you spend? 8 hours + minimum of 2 hours driving. Lets be generous and say it is 10 hours (it could be more depending on traffic). So in reality, you are only making $115.60/10 hours = $11.56 an hour. Then subtract the massive tax since the government thinks you are making $20 an hour. Your take home pay after tax and transportation is only roughly $9.83 an hour. Now is it looking like such a wonderful job? Internships are far overrated. You don't need them to get hired after school. Especially in your situation. Try to find a close job and you might net more money per hour. Plus, you'll now have 2 more hours a day for scholarship applications, a second job, etc. And you'll have no need for a new car...

7) Leave your grandparents alone. It isn't worth risking the problems for your (honestly small) $8k debt.

8) I said it above, but I'll say it again. Cut expenses. Ride the bus to school (usually free for students). Forget the cell phone or high speed internet if you have them. No, you don't need any more clothes. If what you have covers your privates, you are set for at least a dozen years (shoes included). Never eat out. If you smoke, stop (yes it is hard, but it can be done).

9) Get easy cash. Most university towns/cities have great methods. $50 for <1 hour to sell your blood plasma. $1000 a day to undergo a health study. $100 a day to work Saturdays on temp work. The easy money is out there. Go get it.
 

geecee

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Hmm. Not that this is the best idea, but see if you can take advantage of a new or existing CC's low interest rate offer to pay down other card's balances. While not a great idea, if you're desperate, it can save you some bucks and you only need to remember to send the checks to one place. Cut up most of your cards at this point and just keep one or two (preferably giving it to someone who won't let you use it unless you absolutely have to, esp. if you fear your own impulsiveness).

If your grandparents are willing to help you out and have decent credit scores, you could ask them to get a home equity loan or line of credit. If they only borrow a minimal amount 30-40k to help you and/or your mom out, it's not too bad for them or for you payment-wise. Let them keep the funds in order to control how they're spent or disbursed (i.e. they use it to pay some of your school bills, legitimate stuff like that)
Ask Vic about your chances with some form of mortgage, he always gives good advice and has a good grip on what's realistic and what's not.

Make due with the car you have for the rest of the summer (take it as easy as possible on it and do the inexpensive things to maintain it. See if there is anyway you can get to campus without a car (mass transportation, bus service, hitch a ride from a friend). Just call home and try not to make any unnecessary trips back and forth. If you don't need a car, you can save yourself a ridiculous amount of money.

After that, see the ramen thread for cheap eating ideas. :)

Good luck dude.

EDIT: And like the poster above mentioned, increase those student loans if you can. The rates are about half of many mortgage rates and you don't need to start paying them back until you're done with school.
 

Mo0o

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Holy crap, so much CC debt at 21.

Can you convince the grandparents to sign the deed over? Then you can get home equity loan. Not sure if thats the best route, but it is 1 possible choice.