Need some help with a Debate....

marketsons1985

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I've got a debate to do, the topic is:

Government Aid Programs Cause more problems than they are worth

We are on the con side, so we are arguing that they are good.


Does anyone have any ideas on where to start with this? I'm going to give some examples starting from the New Deal with FDR's plans, but I'm not sure where else to start. Any Ideas?
 

Zenmervolt

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All I can suggest is to be prepared for the argument that most government aid programs that were part of the new deal's alphabet soup were intended to be stopped as soon as the depression was taken care of. Having spent most of my time arguing that we need fewer government programs, all I can say is try to think of what arguments you would use if you were on the other side, and then try to refute your own arguments.

Zenmervolt
 

Azraele

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That's kind of a broad topic.

My guess is the pro side is going to attack welfare problems so you may want to brush up on that.
Other than that, I'm not sure what to tell you.
 

Be prepared to defend against the ABUSE of these programs.
And stress the fact that there are people out there that really do need them and do benefit in a positive way off of them.
 

syzygy

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hmmm, try arguing for a limited government role that drafts aid policies along
bipartisan lines. all government aid is not wrong or doomed to fail, therefore
tailoring a program around a national concern that works utlimately to make
the aid recipient self-sufficient may be the best tack.

you are conceding one important point, basically aid that is given without
regard to the training, skills development, mental health concerns, and
possibly child care needs of the recipient would not be effective. both
short-term and long-term needs and consequences of the aid being doled
out have to be assessed, but in principle government aid can be targeted
to provide genuine remedy.
 

Ornery

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The government aided Chrysler and saved them from going under. That saved jobs and kept competition which helped consumers.

How about aid during floods and tornadoes?

Our government aids other countries in many ways. When done right, that stabilizes markets, economies, etc.

The Fed redistributes tax money from the states in a way that helps build and repair infrastructure that we all use.

If you're only talking about Social Security, Medicare, Food Stamps and Subsidized Housing you may be screwed!
 

Handle

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You only have to research/argue one side of the debate? Where I live, you must debate both sides at every tournament... which I think is great because it gives you a more balanced look at all issues (which really helps one in life so one doesn't become a one-track-thinking, stubborn person) and prevents someone from getting hit when the questions is worded such that it is slightly one sided.

Oh, and just before I begin... who decided your debate topic anyway? Generally they are phrased in an affirmative sense so it isn't confusing to the audience. What I'm saying is, it would've been better to phrase it as "Resolved that government aid programs offer more benefits than problems" so that you don't have to think backwards... it is sometimes hard for the audience to understand when you are the "con" side and arguing that something is "good". Normally, "con" argues that something is "bad". This sounds minor, but you'd be surprised how easily the audience gets confused, especially if you refer to the other team as the "pro" team when they are saying something should be scrapped. Don't PROponents advocate things, not say they should be scrapped? Be careful to make sure you yourself don't get confused (especially if you have to argue both sides at one point... I've seen people start arguing the wrong side, especially during a tricky cross examination).

Sorry, I digress...

Now, I don't know how much debating you do, but the first thing you should do is to make sure that the definitions are clearly defined. When I debate, it is the affirmative (pro) side that defines the terms, however, if they do not, you are free to define the terms as you like. If affirmative does define the terms, be prepared for however they define them... if they define "Government Aid Programs" as "any form of wealth or service distribution or redistribution by any government" then the debate will be different than if they define it as "welfare as provided by the federal government".

Be careful, they might throw you for a loop and define government aid programs as "financial aid provided by the federal government to foreign developing nations" -- that is indeed government aid and would not seem to be a "squirreling" of the definition (they could then argue that the dictator normally just spends the money and the people never see it). While definitions are often thought to be unimportant, lawyer-ish and lousy semantic bickering, it nevertheless remains and integral part of the debate. So be prepared for it.

Assuming a conventional, broad definition, there are several ways you can approach this. What I often like to do is research 3 solid case studies where the government aid programs were vital in keeping society running smoothly. FDR's stuff is probably good, if you want (depending on how the terms are defined, again), you can also pick an international example (most likely your opponents will not be familiar with it, therefore they will have a harder time attacking... the flip side is of course it may not seem as important or compelling to your audience, so you have to explain it well), or a state example, or a local example (so that it doesn't look like you are reciting examples from textbooks, and also because these issues tend to be more pressing). If you want, you can also bury them with lists of examples where government aid did good... don't get too specific with each one, just list so many that they'll have a hard time covering them all... and if they don't cover any single one of them then you can accuse them of dodging your arguments.

And don't forget that (in most cases, check to be sure) the burden of proof lies with the affirmative (pro) side. So theoretically, you don't even have to present your own arguments as long as you refute theirs. If they say that <whatever aid program> was a failure, and you successfully argue otherwise, then their case is already dead.

Sorry I'm not giving you too much specific help, but as has been mentioned, this topic is very, very broad. What you argue is soooo dependent on how &quot;government aid&quot; is defined. It could be anything from foreign aid, to compensation to families of people who died in military accidents, to social welfare programs, to any government service. To be honest, without the topic being more specific, the winner will probably end up being the person who can manipulate the audience the best (that's even true when the topic is specific, but even more so here). If you can narrow it down, I could probably provide more topic-specific help.
 

Redwingsguy

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if all else fails do like I did for my debate, goto the complaint generator and type ur the opposite of the topic for the word. Then read it, guarntee the class wouldnt listen, and if someone asks to elaborate, deny them!