Need some advice: best non-digital camera?

Croton

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Hey all

my bday is coming up soon, and i need a new 35mm camera. not an SLR....but a point and shoot camera.

I had a pentax remote control camera, but the zoom motor broke. :(

so what are some really good 35mm cameras, in terms of features and picture quality?

i'm also concerned with the size of it -- the smaller the better.

thanks.
 

Moonbeam

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Well I'd a said a big bad Nikon, but small is better? How about a 16mm spy camera.
 

chess9

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I have a pricey Nikon, but the body is NOT as important as the lens. Put your money in lenses. Good luck and don't kill anything while "shooting".
 

Croton

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cool -
so which type of 35 mm camera has a good lens? :)

i am assuming Nikon, because i have a unanonimous decision right now
 

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Croton:

Nikon bodies are often sold with a cheap Chinese or other Pacific rim lens. Make sure to get a Nikon or other high quality lens. Go to a local camera shop and talk to the folks. Find one you like and buy it there. They will be an invaluable source in the future. You WILL pay a little more, but for a beginner it is utlimately cheaper because you will purchase the right camera for you.

I didn't read the body of your message and I apologize for that bit of stupidity. Frankly, I'm unalterably opposed to point and shoot cameras because the images are definitely inferior to those you will get with an SLR with a fine lens. Furthermore, modern SLRs are idiot-proof. 99% of the folks here can almost master the modern Nikon, or other SLR with about 1 hour of reading and 4 or 5 rolls of film.

I'd recommend the Nikon N60 with a utility lens. For a few hundred dollars you'll have an awesome machine with most of the features you would ever need. The N60 is also fairly small, though not a mini.

Good luck! :)

 

konichiwa

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I've got an old-ish Canon EOS Rebel camera that does everything that I need it to do and more...I don't really know where this stands on the scale...but I like it a lot. Anyone know?
 

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the f5 is the best body IMHO. the lens is important, but if you shoot professionally the body doesn't hurt.
 

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Hmn I know camera equipment is bound to be big $$. But what could you do on a budget?
 

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Capn, on a budget you could try a Camera Obscura. You could get a cardboard box, put film on one wall and a pin hole of the other. Set it up and uncover the pin hole. Practice on getting the time for exposure by developing the film yourself. :D
 

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Polaroid. Cuz you don't have to take yer nudie shots down to the drug store!

Seriously, I have a nearly two decade old Pentax ME Super and an older Nikon manual that I got from my Grandpa's estate. The only thing I demand is NO AUTO-FOCUS!!! I hate trying to compose a good shot when the "subject" isn't in the middle.

Obviously haven't shopped in ages other than picking up lens for the Pentax.
 

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64bitloopy:

I'd second that in spades. Somehow I doubt he will spring for an F5! Also, it's really inappropriate for a beginner.

Capn:

If you are a beginner, go to your local camera store. My wife is an excellent photographer, but when she has a difficult shoot, she will often talk to someone at a local store. We've only got 4 lenses, and about $2500 in equipment, but she can shoot just about anything except production portraits, which she wouldn't do anyway. If you like nature or sports photography, a mid-priced SLR will pay for itself with great pics. Just my .02 farthing's worth.
 

lowtech1

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chess9:
- Sigma is a cheap lens manufacture that designed & built 6 top of line Zeiss lenses in the mid 80s...so don?t worry about the image quality of today generic lenses, because they will produce just as good as the over price name brand ones. (I have personally tested some of the more exotic lenses among the brands & generics and their qualities are very close under an 8X loop)


Croton:
- Best non-digital camera eh! ...ummm...any 8x10 large format studio/architecture camera...opps! you mean a 35mm :)

Cheap compact, fixed focal length point & shoot cameras are the Olympus stylus family, that are quite good at the lower end (nice glass lenses, almost as good as SLR).

High end point & shoot is the Contact T series that can be had with Zeiss lenses, are beautifully crafted, but extremely expensive. (give you the quality of SLR images)

35mm SLR lenses are very much the equal in lens quality of every makes & models. The cheaper SLR lenses tend to have plastic aspherics lens instead of exotic glass, and the motor are slow & the lens body construction tend to have poor feel/grip to it.

You have to go to a camera store and ask to try out the diff camera bodies to see how you like each of it weight & feel in you hand, because every body have a diff preference. (All camera body are just black boxes that hold the film in it).

The lens are the important part of the camera, so look for a brand that you can afford, then the lens selection, construction quality, lens speed, focusing speed, other options (Silent motor, APO, Image Stabilizing, etc...).

Personally, my bias lean to ward Canon Lenses, because they have the (USM) quiet and the fastest focusing motor of all camera lenses, they are also mount interchange able with the Canon High8 Video cameras...Canon also have great Image Stabilizing (IS) that are great for hand held sport/outdoor fashion. Eat yer heart out Nikon lovers :p
 

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<< Frankly, I'm unalterably opposed to point and shoot cameras because the images are definitely inferior to those you will get with an SLR with a fine lens. >>

He wants a P&amp;S and there's nothing wrong with that. A good P&amp;S camera can take wonderful pictures, and if you're like me you're more likely to carry a P&amp;S than a bulky SLR around. I have a Nikon SLR manual, Canon EOS SLR automatic, a Yashica medium format TLR, and a Kodak P&amp;S digicam. Raw quality is probably potentially the worst with my Kodak (although damn good for a digicam), yet I use it the most. And besides, for most non-pro uses, the photographer is far more important than the equipment.

I AM however, fundamentally opposed to APS, although for a large segment of the population they should be fine.
 

Croton

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ok guys...
thanks for all the cool info...

but what is a good point and shoot camera? :)

 

lowtech1

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Cap:
- For a buget minded person a manual Pentax K1000 or ME will fit you niche. (A second hand combo can be had for $100.00 for the body &amp; 50mm f:1.7 lens. The only thing that you have to learn is to focus &amp; match the light needle, which is a no brainer, and the shop owner can show you how to use it in less than 5 minute)

 

Isla

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My sweet Minolta Maxxum 400si can go both ways... Point and shoot or manual.

I make a few bucks on the side with her, too. :) She's never let me down... I've even shot a CD cover for a Christian recording artist (who you have never heard of) with it.

I love my camera.

:)
 

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of course, picture quality has a ton do to do with picking good things to take pictures of...

lowdown: non-zoom point and shoots generally have the best image quality of PSs, IMHO, simply because the lens has less elements, and more light can get through to the film. the olympus stylus epic non-zoom is one of the best pocket cameras made.

but you're probably looking for a zoom, right? in that case, ummm... look for one with the lowest f-stop, the number after the f, usually printed around the lens. better lenses have lower stops, get more light through in less time mostly.

best would really be a lightweight SLR, the new rebel is really light, and a fixed length 50mm lens, get the one made by the body manufacturer. after that get a wide angle and telephoto lens, again fixed length. the thing about the zoom lens they want to sell you at best buy and other places with the camera is that it has some really high f numbers, so its no better than your average zoom point and shoot but $ bad lens + $ body + extra weight of SLR = not worth it.

i also second the choice of the yashica t4 super (or t5 if you're outside the US), great lens in such an inexpensive camera.

heres to wishing i still had my AE-1 program
 

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Croton:

* Excelent quality is the Yashica T4 Super that feature the Carl Zeiss lens very close to 35mm quality, and nicely crafted. (around $150.00)

** Olympus Stylus Epic - Compact and quite versatile good lenses out door image slightly behind the Yashica, indoor/flash is average for PS camera. (around $80.00 &amp; up depend on zoom, but best quality is the fixed focal lenght)

*** Canon Elph - Very compact, quality just about as good as the Stylus but cost 2~3X more.(personaly I wouldn't paid more for fashion)




 

Croton

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awesome
thanks for the recommendations guys...

are the nikon p&amp;s cameras any good?

someone recommended a nikon camera to me (around $200) but i don't remember the name of it......
 

lowtech1

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Yes the Nikon PS cameras are at the same level as the Canon Elph, which 1/2 of the cost is for its name, while the Stylus would spank them both for less money.