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Need programming help.

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agnostically

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Howdy everyone and please pardon my perhaps unwarranted presence here? My purpose is simple though; I joined the forum looking to find another Programmer to help me finish a personal video Card game project I began years ago. I’m not a game developer per se either; just a 56-year-old technical illiterate with a pretty good idea for an online interactive card game. I found a fellow years ago to begin designing the game concept with me who is now a friend and finally we actually got a playable demo done. BUT, and the reason I’m here, the programmer who did the demo on spec because he liked the idea, is not a Game programmer by profession either and so isn’t skilled to go any farther and doesn’t have the time anymore anyway and I’m not capable nor can afford to complete the game to make it how I wanted. The demo is the world’s first/only true ‘Hockey Card Game’ and I’m only requesting help to fix the game-play AI remotely and to convert it to web-based so people can play online instead of having to download it. Brian the programmer would provide all the code if someone can help in their spare time or whatever or perhaps knows someone that just wants to get some practical experience using my game.
Anyway if anyone wants to take a closer look, my dev website is here:
http://www.tegarttech.com/cardhockey if that’s allowed for me to post it. If not please PM me and I’ll provide the URL.

However, I still haven’t given up on trying to get it marketed either. I.e. as an NHL product and I also want to do a Soccer version of this Game. So if someone wants to partner with me to do a real nice commercial version to shop around and if it ever does see commercial success, it would of course be an equal share of revenue too. Actually I think we could easily start marketing just a generic version of Card Hockey online and make some money just testing it that way if I can get the expertise support? I’ve even found a graphics guy in the UK who is a Hockey fan of all things and is doing some graphics for the project. But I need a Programmer who can take control of the whole project coordinating everything with me and remotely providing me with new installs etc. I also have an NHL Player who is interested to endorse but needs to see a completely finished demo. So that’s another option for anyone interested to help me try to take it farther than just a personal project.

But even if it doesn’t make a dime, I’d like to at least be able to play it for personal enjoyment and eventually share with others because it’s actually just as good and as fun a card game as any other I’ve played and quite challenging. I play Bridge too so I know my Card Games believe me and I wouldn’t waste anyone’s time trying to pass off a crappy excuse for a video game whether it’s the only One I’ll probably ever do or not. 🙂 But see for yourself if you like? Thanks and forgive me if anyone was offended by my asking around in your forum.

Paul
 
agnostically said:
Thanks I PM'd you. 🙂
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The problem you are going to run into is that most here are professional programmers (or too busy with other stuff) to do an unpaid job in programming. Your best bet is to learn programming yourself and go from there.

I would love to help. However, I would not love to take on the burden of doing all the programming for a project like this. Frankly, I don't see it being a major money maker (thus the job would essentially be an unpaid one).

I'm not trying to be rude, just voicing my opinion and concern. If you want to get this out just to see it done, then I would suggest making it open source and try to get people excited for it from there. As it stands, it is too small of a project for a team, and too large of a project to go unpaid.

Sorry I couldn't help more.
 
I agree with Cogman. This is one of those ideas that you're going to have to pull off yourself, or you're going to have to team up with someone (or ones) that are excited enough about the idea to help out for the credit, or some promise of a share in future revenues, etc. Maybe look for programmers on some hockey forums where this would garner more interest.
 
agnostically said:
Ya tell me about it. 🙂 Unfortunately we still live in a world where giving is not better receiving for most.


"some promise of a share in future revenues"
I did. I do.
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Can you give one example where someone has performed a labor intensive task for someone who isn't in a desperate circumstance at possibly the cost of their lively hood? To produce a product that, frankly, won't sell. All for the promise of the all ambiguous "Future revenues".

Like I said, the project is too big to be done just as a hobby and too small to justify quitting a job for no pay. Good programmers aren't cheap. (despite what the media made of the outsourcing craze of 2000).

And yes, most companies worth their salt make employees sign NDAs that prevent them from working or programming for other companies. Heck, some even limit participation in open source communities.


Trying to guilt trip us with phrases like "Unfortunately we still live in a world where giving is not better receiving for most" is in extremely bad taste. This a a forum dedicated to giving advice and help to those who come with legitimate questions about programming. Heck, we even would have helped you if you said "Where can I find programmers for this project". However, I'll warn you again, even though I know where you can find them, nobody is going to work for you without some sort of pay (aside from a family member). The promise of future revenue isn't enough.
 
Cogman said:
Trying to guilt trip us with phrases like "Unfortunately we still live in a world where giving is not better receiving for most" is in extremely bad taste.
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I had the same reaction, with perhaps a little more puzzlement. Does the OP really think this is a matter of charity? You're not doing an iPhone app to promote awareness of breast cancer. It's a hockey card game, which, frankly, doesn't excite me as an idea. Even less exciting is the notion that you've been noodling this over for like ten years, and have some old Windows code. I suspect the typical programmer who is up on modern technologies would find that about as exciting as a ninety-minute nap in an empty church. If your project has that much merit, then go get it done. If you can't, then I guess it didn't have much merit.

[Edit: I have three teenagers, so on reflection I actually would take the ninety-minute nap in an empty church over working on a hockey card game]
 
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