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aolsuxs

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If anyone has some advice or insight on this I would be extremly grateful and I will be your new best friend, anyways.. as some of ya may know I was able to get into UCD and outta my crapville town called Reno and everything seems to be going great. Except one little thing, it seems that I will be in debt for the next 8 years or so of my life. Just got my financial aid packet from UCD and while it is pretty good (I think.) one thing really really really screws me over. The out of state fee of 11,000 ish. Now originally I was expecting to pay this and earn residency the following years and thus not pay it my soph, junior and senior year except I ran into a little problem.

In their catalog it says:

Who is a Resident?

If you are an adult student (at least 18 years of age) you may establish residence for tuition purposes in California if: (1) you are a U.S. citizen; (2) you are a permanent resident or other immigrant; or (3) you are a nonimmigrant who is not precluded from establishing a domicile in the U.S. Nonimmigrants who are not precluded from establishing a domicile in the U.S. include those who hold visas of the following types: A, E, G, H-1, H-4, I, K, L, N, NATO, O-1, O-3, R, TN, or TD. To establish residence you must be physically present in California for more than one year and you must have come here with the intent to make California your home as opposed to coming to this state to go to school. Physical presence within the state solely for educational purposes does not constitute the establishment of California residence, regardless of the length of your stay. You must demonstrate your intention to make California your home by severing your residential ties with your former state of residence and establishing those ties with California. Evidence of intent must be dated one year before the term for which you seek resident classification. If these steps are delayed, the one-year durational period will be extended until you have demonstrated both presence and intent for one full year. Effective Fall 1993, if your parents are not residents of California or you were not previously enrolled as a UC student, you will be required to be financially independent in order to be a resident for tuition purposes. Your residence cannot be derived from your spouse or your parents.

Now that bold statement really screws me over since....


Requirement for Financial Independence

You will be considered "financially independent" if one or more of the following applies: (1) you are at least 24 years of age by December 31 of the calendar year for which you are requesting residence classification; (2) you are a veteran of the U.S. Armed Forces; (3) you are a ward of the court or both parents are deceased; (4) you have legal dependents other than a spouse; (5) you are married, or a graduate student or a professional student, and you were not claimed as an income tax deduction by your parents or any other individual for the tax year immediately preceding the term for which you are requesting resident classification; or (6) you are a single undergraduate student and you were not claimed as an income tax deduction by your parents or any other individual for the two tax years immediately preceding the term for which you are requesting resident classification, and you can demonstrate self-sufficiency for those years and the current year. (Note: Financial independence will not be a factor in residence status for graduate student instructors, graduate student teaching assistants, research assistants, junior specialists, post-graduate researchers, graduate student researchers, and teaching associates who are employed 49% or more of full time or who have funding equivalent to employment that is 49% or more of full time for the term for which classification is sought.)


Thus I have to pay $11K extra a year since I am out of state and financial aid does not cover this fee, which means I am going to be in debt plus if I go to med school after college which I plan on, I'll be even more in debt. Does anyone know any way around the financial independent requirement or am I just screwed?

And heres my financial aid packet, should I take all the loans?

Federal Direct Loan Sub-NH 1,700 567 567 566 Offered
Federal Pell Grant Program-NH 1,250 417 416 417 Accepted
Federal Perkins Loan-NH 2,100 700 700 700 Offered
University Grant-NH 6,516 2,172 2,172 2,172 Accepted
Total Aid $11,566 $ 3,856 $ 3,855 $ 3,855

Numbers are: total, fall, winter and spring.

Also one little minor thing, I believe all UC campuses forbid freshmen who live on campus to have parking permit and since I am from Reno I would like to be able to drive home maybe once a month or so to check up on friends and family, is there anyway to get around this?



Thanks again for everyones help
 

Yo Ma Ma

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<< Effective Fall 1993, if your parents are not residents of California or you were not previously enrolled as a UC student, you will be required to be financially independent in order to be a resident for tuition purposes. Your residence cannot be derived from your spouse or your parents.
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Perhaps I am not understanding, but after you have attended school and lived there for a year, severing ties etc., then wouldn't you fall under "or you were not previously enrolled as a UC student, you will be required to be financially independent in order to be a resident for tuition purposes", except since you will have been previously enrolled (after the 1st year) then you would not have to be financially independent.
 

aolsuxs

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wow I can't believe I misread that but I think you are correct. I am gonna email UCD about this and hopefully get a confirmation and if this does go through I'll be extremly happy. Really cant believe I misread that...
 

RalphWiggum

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I think you will still have to prove financial independence. I know at least 5 out of staters who have paid the out of state fee for all 4 years because it is close to impossible to meet the financial independence requirements. That's at UCB though.

As for loans, if you can't get the money elsewhere and you aren't gonna be working like 20 hours a week, I think you have to take them. Better to get it from the government than elsewhere.

To get a parking permit, I think you'll have to demonstrate you need a car. That usually means showing an address that is 5 miles from the school. But, I know people can get permits if they work a certain distance away from their address too.
I've never heard of the school forbidding parking spots for on campus students, its just that they are low priority. But, things might be different at your school.

Good luck.
 

aolsuxs

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Ahh damnit damnit damnit, just when I was all excited true, well I certainly hope its not true but if ya know 5 people that have to pay it then I would assume that I do have to gain financial independence which is gonna be impossible which means it looks like I am going to have $40000+ in out of state fees, well thanks for the info
 

littlezipp

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You wouldn't happen to live in Placer County would you? If so, I think there is a way to pay in state tuition.
Other alternatives, get married, it's not that hard right?
I'm a Davis student, so if they are giving you the run around, let me know and I can try to help.
 

aolsuxs

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Nope in Reno, don't know if you know where that is. Its in Nevada about ~9 hours from Vegas, ~3 from Davis/Sac. Near Carson. I mailed them about the thing Yo-Mama said and hopefully get a good response from them otherwise I am screwed
 

Kelvrick

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Haha, going to UCD eh? Gimme a PM when you get there and I'll help if I can. Oh yea... Starting next year, NO parking permits for incoming freshmen. :) I'm in the last year they sold parking permits to incoming freshmen. They're converting soem fields and parking lots into dorms because of the shortage this year, so you're SOL.

Just start filing independent taxes and make sure your parents don't declare you as a dependent. Other then that, I dunno...
 

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<< Haha, going to UCD eh? Gimme a PM when you get there and I'll help if I can. Oh yea... Starting next year, NO parking permits for incoming freshmen. :) I'm in the last year they sold parking permits to incoming freshmen. They're converting soem fields and parking lots into dorms because of the shortage this year, so you're SOL.

Just start filing independent taxes and make sure your parents don't declare you as a dependent. Other then that, I dunno...
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What dorm are you in? I myself am in the Segundo area.
 

littlezipp

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aolsuxs, I do know where Reno is, that is why I asked if you are in Placer County. Placer County is a California County that actually goes into Nevada. I know that Placer County residents are allowed to attend University of Nevada Reno for in state tuition, and thought that it might work both ways.
On another thought... "You must be a permanent resident," I believe that there is a way to get a job over summer in CA that would allow you to be considered a California resident asap.
 

littlezipp

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<< What dorm are you in? I myself am in the Segundo area. >>


All about the Tercero!
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Say hi to the cows for me!
Hahahahahahahaha;)
 

Kelvrick

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Tshh... We also get the horsies.

Don't make me send those cows over to crap all over your entrance! My building rules the rest of Tercero. We had this recycling competiino once, and we were gonna cheat and go to the central desk, jack all the newspapers and recycle them for like 50 lbs, but then the other buildling cheated and just stole from our recycle bin. We got them back by... Ermm... Umm... Nothing...
 

aolsuxs

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Ahhh damn just got this reply from them:

No. It refers to students previously enrolled prior to Fall 1993. This does not apply to you.
-Martha

Sooo I guess I am stuck with that out of state fee, and nope I am in Washoe County, didn;t mean to affend you anything, just a lot of people don't know where Reno is or that it exisited. Also talked to someone about the parking permit and they said if I can appeal I have a chance of getting it which hopefully I will. Thanks for the help kelvrick, I'll probably need help once I start moving in. I was able to visit the campus during welcome week and despite what other people have said I loved it so far. Doesnt smell like cow dung or anything and while the town itself is somewhat quite or small it is only 15 or so mins from sac and an hour and a half from the bay area, anyways.......but damn even if start filing independent taxes I don't think I would be eligable until my senior year. What a lot of hassle, wish they never had that financial independence requirement. I don't think it matters much to establish residency if I cant establish the financial independence to waive the outrageous out of state fee, and while I wouldnt mind working down their, I would have no where to stay. So thus I think I will work as much as a I can as soon as I get out of school, June, get a FT position at the hospital and a PT position somewhere else and just work all the way up till mid septemberish, so I can work towards that 11K. 8+ years of debt here I come
 

Kelvrick

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<< Ahhh damn just got this reply from them:

No. It refers to students previously enrolled prior to Fall 1993. This does not apply to you.
-Martha

Sooo I guess I am stuck with that out of state fee, and nope I am in Washoe County, didn;t mean to affend you anything, just a lot of people don't know where Reno is or that it exisited. Also talked to someone about the parking permit and they said if I can appeal I have a chance of getting it which hopefully I will. Thanks for the help kelvrick, I'll probably need help once I start moving in. I was able to visit the campus during welcome week and despite what other people have said I loved it so far. Doesnt smell like cow dung or anything and while the town itself is somewhat quite or small it is only 15 or so mins from sac and an hour and a half from the bay area, anyways.......but damn even if start filing independent taxes I don't think I would be eligable until my senior year. What a lot of hassle, wish they never had that financial independence requirement. I don't think it matters much to establish residency if I cant establish the financial independence to waive the outrageous out of state fee, and while I wouldnt mind working down their, I would have no where to stay. So thus I think I will work as much as a I can as soon as I get out of school, June, get a FT position at the hospital and a PT position somewhere else and just work all the way up till mid septemberish, so I can work towards that 11K. 8+ years of debt here I come
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I would say go to summer advising. I made a group of friends there and they helped me move in for the new quarter. We helped each other so you don't hafta make like 20 trips to your car. I don't hang out with them anymore, but they can still be called buddies.

There are also other ATOT'ers at UCD. HotChic and I are just the most noticable ones. Kev1n is infamous and is often mixed up with me *shakes fist* and UCDNAM is a cool guy that runs the UCD counter-striek server. :)

I personally go to Sacramento a lot. For me its like a 10 minute drive to 2 diferent malls, Fry's, Best buys, and other such stores. There is no Target or Wall-mart or anything like that in Davis. For Wall-mart, you'll have to drive like 5-7 minutes to... I can't remember the name right nwo but there is also a food-4-less there.