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Isla

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LOL, you guys crack me up!

I did NOT mean to start a debate. :)

In our case, the school system is suck. As a parent volunteer, I see it, and as an ex-county school employee I got to see first hand just how poor our 'best' schools are.

My best solution is to try to be as involved as possible. Our plan is to send each child to public school for the elementary grades and then reevaluate each year thereafter. In my oldest daughter's case, she begged to go to our local middle school. However, after a year and a half of experiencing it for herself, she is ready for something more 'civilized'.

My personal opinion on the subject is that each child is in the process of growing and changing, and that it is imperative to be aware of their changing needs. What worked yesterday may not work now, what works now may need to be adjusted tomorrow.

:)
 

konichiwa

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Is a private school an option?

EDIT

I feel like it looks as if I'm trying to talk you out of making your decision...I'm not, I'm just trying to evaluate the situation, I guess. Maybe I should just stop sniffing where my nose doesn't belong.

/EDIT
 

Optimus

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Isla - well said, you are definitely on the right track.

Just keep listening to them as their needs change and all will be fine :)
 

Isla

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Konichiwa

It's an option in about 18 months. I plan to send her to a private school when she starts high school.

We would have done it for middle school, but we had an unexpected little member added to our family last year...

We had to buy a bigger house, bigger car, and I left the work force ( I was working on my MA in Special Ed).

So, in about 18 months we will have better cash flow... sending her now would make things tighter than we would like.

This is just an interim thing.

:)
 

urbantechie

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Your daughter is 13yrs old? Pic please ;) :D!!!


j/k....I wish I was in homeschool..HS sucks major ass..i've gotten all the social skills I need
 

Viper GTS

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No, bad taste would have been ME asking for her picture...

;)

Viper GTS

PS - My e-mail address is in my profile...
 

chess9

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Isla:

Home schooling offers many advantages and disadvantages. Here are my views from our experience:

Advantages:

1. Kids get more sleep if home schooled.
2. They spend less time on the highways and in school buses.
3. They learn at their pace. No need to wait for the slowest kid in the class to "get it".
4. They bond strongly with the dominant home schooling parent. (see Disadvantages!)
5. They can learn almost anything-they aren't hamstrung by a "canned" curriculum. If you want to teach them French Existential Philosophy, or the poetry of Pablo Neruda, and they want to learn it, you can. Public education fails miserably in this regard. Everyone's crammed into three or four "molds". The truth is a kid who loves to fix computers might also like to learn Russian. A math whiz might like to learn to type, or cook. This is the single greatest strength of home schooling in my view-its flexibility. It really teaches kids that they can learn anything they want to learn. The benefits for the rest of their lives are obvious and enormous.
6. As a consequence, most home schooled kids receive a much better education than the average kid. Certainly, they generally do better academically than their public school peers.
7. Your daughter won't come home and call you a dumb motherf*cker. She probably won't get stabbed, unless you lose your patience. :p She won't be pressured to have sex every 40 minutes. She won't have to put up with the snotty teenage girls, many of whom could be strangled on the spot without further ado. She won't have to put up with the daily rejection by immature teenage boys who think she is flat-chested, big-butted, freaky, too shy, too loud, too tall, too short, too ethnic, etc.

Disadvantages:

1. Home schooling requires a smart, well-organized, and dedicated set of parents. Inventory the skills you and your husband have available. You must feel confident, and reasonably so, that you have the ability to educate a high schooler. Home schooling at the elementary and middle school levels is an order of magnitude easier than high school. In short, the level of committment is enormous. Most parents don't measure up. By way of example, my daughter has been homeschooled for two years. She will be skipping the 8th grade and going into the 9th grade at a local math and science oriented high school. Although I feel competent to teach her math through trig, and high school biology, I would fail miserably at AP chemistry, French (even though I've had about 5 years of it), AP calculus, and AP English. We've decided we don't have the skill sets necessary to do the job. Your daughter's needs will certainly be different, as will your abilities.

2. Girls, in particular, miss their school friends. They tend to be much more interested in friendships, in my view. My daughter has complained about this problem. She is looking forward to getting out of the house and spending time with her peers. (See Advantages, above.)

3. Home schooling parents tend to be right wing Christians, a group I consider pathological. They can be cloying, annoying, and single-minded. I know only a couple of Catholic families that are home schooling, but even in that segment growth is occuring. You will probably want to join a local home schooling group, most likely made up of shibboleth ridden right wing Christians. They WILL help you do the right thing for your child. You will have to listen to the joys of creation science, and the never-ending verities of the Bible. We have had to keep our mouths shut most of the time when at meetings with them.

4. A teenager WILL drive you crazy at least half the time. The hormone thing has just started here-my kids were all late bloomers-and I'm absolutely certain three or four times per week that I could kill my own child. You have much more patience than me, and are much, much, kinder. Success is possible, relationship-wise.

5. The cost of home schooling will come as a bit of a shock. Books, software, trips to the Dali Museum (lucky you), etc. We typically spend about $2,000 per year. Cheaper than a private school, but not inexpensive.

6. Home schooling can put a strain on your relationship with Mr. Isla. Is he ready to teach math, science, English, history, etc.? He will have to share a good part of the load. You can't do it all. Don't even think you can. He MUST be 100% supportive and READY to jump in and help. In my family, my wife handles Violin, English, History, Bible (yes, we do that), and French. I handle math, science, French and writing. Math consumes the most time, so I have my hands full. Both parents must give up quite a bit to meet the challenge. Is he ready, willing and able? :p

Only you know whether your daughter's decision is well-reasoned or the product of emotional lability.

Good luck.

Dominus vobiscum.

 

compuwiz1

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I got to know a family thru spending several hours of several days upgrading and repairing some computers. There were 5 kids from age 7 thru 16 living at home. They were all home schooled. They lived in a large, but practical house...but nothing fancy. Mom drove a big full sized van. In talking to her, I was made aware that she was doing this all by herself, as she was not married and hadn't been for many years. Her income comes from running a daycare center. I can not grasp how she can educate those kids and run a day care center all by herself!
Those kids would look at me like I was from a different planet. I could tell that they got very little social interaction with anyone outside of that house. One of the teenage girls told me they never ever leave the house to do anything, except to go to a relative's house for a holiday dinner, or some function of that sort. She told me if Mom went to the store for food or other goods that she stayed home and watched her younger syblings. I found myself wondering, what kind of a life do these kids have? It was almost like a separatist colony. I could tell the girl really wished it was some other way. BTW, there were scripture quotes all over the house, not that it's bad, but I could see some of what chess9 was saying. Mom was also very eccentric.(Probably more than you, Isla ;) LOL )
 

Isla

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Don't worry, compuwhiz. Home economics will include regular shopping trips to the mall and Health and Nutrition will mandate regular field trips to different restaurants! Hey, we can use restaurants to teach about different cultures, too... Chinese, French, Italian! I LOVE to go to parks, zoos, etc... actually, my middle child is going to be a little upset because I'll be taking her sister and the baby everywhere with me while she is stuck in school. I guess we will have to be sneaky about it...

I've already arranged for her to come with me to my personal trainer so that she can work on her own fitness,too. She will be having the time of her life, trust me. Actually, I may start to get annoyed but that's okay. ;)

She's going to have so much fun she may get mad when it is time to go to the all-girls private school I have in mind for her high school years...

:D
 

compuwiz1

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All girls private school??? That's where we used to go to pick up all the girls, when I was in HS. They had a reputation for "putting out". I think it was the rebellion. :Q
The school was 3 blks from my high school. They would sit out on the front lawn and flirt and whistle as we drove by.
 

AMDJunkie

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I asked my mom if I could be homeshooled before. She said she would go crazy(er) trying to teach me anything. :)

You're sending her off to AHN? Might want to reconsider that, remember that I go to Jesuit.
 

CirekL

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Hehehe: "she is sick of being in an overcrowded facility with a bunch of barbarians" your words or hers? Must be a pretty bad school, but isn't that saying people like myself who attended public education since I was 3, a barbarian as well? From my knowledge, good kids find each other and stick together, and so will the bad. Public education wasn't so bad as long as I never lost the will and curiousity to learn. And I guess that's what parents are for, to kick you around when you get off track :) . But seriously, public education gave me the chance to shine above my peers in public education and get into some of the most prestigious engineering institutions in the country.
I often regret not being home schooled because I could've probably learned more from private tutors and independent study, but high school was fun. Academic Decathlon, Science Bowl, Tennis, clubs, constantly meeting new people from my school and other schools, talking my teachers about life... Oh and don't get me wrong, my HS wasn't some nice community school in some rich neighborhood, it was centrally located in the ghetto.
Not trying to talk you out of anything... but I no longer regret not being home schooled. Just an honest opinion. :)
 

Isla

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Cirek,

It has more to do with the fact that the school is critically overcrowded. My mom was a public school teacher and I plan to do the same eventually (when I am done raising my own kids) so I am actually very pro-public school.

We have a really BIG problem with too many kids, too few schools down here. It's amazing, but what really gets to me is that it has been like this for 20 years! :|

"It's uncivilized" were her words.... actually, she's a bit more civilized and cultivated than I am. She had a FIT when I got my navel peirced. :D

Anyway, it's only for 18 months, then she goes off to:

AHN! Is this bad,AMDJunkie ? I HAVE heard about you Jesuit boys. Do you think I should look into another school? I was also considering Seminole Presbyterian. How about Tampa Catholic? I do appreciate your input, because you are on the front lines.
 

fdiskboy

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Isla,

I applaud you for being excited about the chance to homeschool.

I experienced both homeschooling and highschool, and I found personally that I learned much more at home. Classes that consist of more than 1 student tend to cater to the lowest common denominator.

Socialization can occur anywhere: church, homeschool groups (there are a ton of them, and they vary from not very active to hyperactive), friends from public school, etc.

Good luck! If you ever need any specific information, feel free to email!





 

eakers

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I myself can not see any advantages to home schooling.
I know personaly that the years 13-16 are the most tramatic in a young girls life, where friends hate eachother and its all about conformity. But things that happen contribute to knowing that hey the real world is tough, also it can be a great time in their life where boys (or girls what ever the case may be) become interesting, first school dances, sports teams. its also an imporant time to develop social skills.
Also you sound like you and your daugther are really close which is good, but dont let this jepordize your relationship. what happens when she gets older and goes to high school, if she is socially capable of making friends you may end up feeling a little left out when she starts wanting a private life.

but if her school is as dangerous as you say maybe it is a sensible alternative, but please make sure you put her in situations with other ppl her own age where she can interact with them and develop social skills.

goodluck!!!
just my $.02
 

AMDJunkie

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I have never heard about Seminole Presbytarian (good thing). The TC girls come to our school anyways so your out of luck there if you want het to be kept away from us "brutes". But there's plenty of super-conservatives at my school if that's what she's after. First thing though, do you have the cash? Second, do you want the school to focus on education or extra-curriculars? Third, if she makes good grades, have you considered IB or a Magnet school if she's into the arts?

As for the environment, they have about a dance a month and clubs that meet with each school, so your never too far from a girl at Jesuit (and vice versa). ;) Also, we don't think of it as a school with no girls, we think of it as a school with an entire school of girls for the picking. Same over there. :) I've heard they're pretty strict at Academy , but of course I've never experienced it first hand. Pretty much the same at Jesuit. TC is knwn as the place where those too dumb for Jesuit or Academy go. Probably not fair but definitely true in some cases. And of course there's Plant. This is probably the best public high school in the area, definitely worth a look if your in the district.
 

fdiskboy

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Not to bust on you there eakers, but have you bothered to read any of the posts and consider them?

There a variety of excellent reasons TO homeschool. There are also a few drawbacks. To say that you can't see ANY reason to homeschool is a bit shortsighted.
 

Zedfu

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wouldn't it be better just to relocate her to another school? in my opinion, i don't think homeschooling is very healthy for the child, and her future can be jepardized without being graduated from high school, etc.
 

Elita1

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You go, Isla!!

Good luck with your homeschooling. Glad to hear that you and your daughter are excited and happy about the whole thing.
Motherhood has its rewards!:)

Best of luck to you and your daughter
 

Isla

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Not to worry Zedfu...

In less than a week, she's already digging into my old high school AP English books... several levels above what she was doing in her gifted courses in her middle school.

I don't want to come off as sounding like an intellectual elite, but a combination of genetic blessing and environmental stimulation has produced more than a few academically gifted individuals in my family. If anything, the system has held us back. She will never lack for the enrichment she needs.

Sending her to another public school won't help. You have to understand that the public school system in my state is dismal. It's embarrassing. I think we rank just above Alabama and Mississipi. We will send her to a private school in approx 18 months... and between now and then, I have no doubt she will far exceed the standards set for her grade in public school.

Peace~
 

Zedfu

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well Isla, i'm really glad that you're taking actions for the best interest of your daughter. you go, girl!