need help to a dumb ass question: AMD 2gig chips

[tkim]

i know this is all speculative, but when do you guys think that AMD will come out with their new core/chip that will be 2 gigahertz?

i got an awsome modded case just waiting to get broken in but i dont want to build up a sweet machine until the athlon (or whatever it will be called) hits 2 gigs!

any ideas!??

 

[SWScorch]

sometime next year, not until March or so would be my purely speculative guess.

 

[geek167]

Why do people say gig?!? That is reserved for storage. Just say GHz. It is the same number of letters, it won't hurt you. And ya, about March. You might want to get one of the Hammer Chips instead if you want a really good system.

 

[Henny]

Probably mid next year or later for any significant yield. AMD's .18 micron process is bumping up to it's technological limit's which is probably about 1.7-1.8 Ghz. (I guess that would be an Athlon 2000XP). AMD is well behind Intel in terms of retooling for .13 micron and that's what they need to meet and exceed the 2Ghz barrier.

I believe AMD will pilot their initial .13 micron build with Duron in early '02 to wring out the process.

 

[SWScorch]

<< Why do people say gig?!? That is reserved for storage. Just say GHz. It is the same number of letters, it won't hurt you. And ya, about March. You might want to get one of the Hammer Chips instead if you want a really good system. >>



its not really "reserved" for anything. Both are Giga- prefixes, that is, one billion units of whatever. Whether its GigaBytes, or GigaHertz, the prefix is still the same. And I suppose people use "gig" instead of "GHz" because you don't have to hit the shift key?

 

[tkim]

man oh man.....i dont think i can wait till then....crap! =(

btw, what is a hammer chip?

bottom line, do you think it is worth the wait?

right now i got a p3 1 GHZ (that's for you GEEK 167) with a gf2 gts pro32mb. 24x tdk. sb live platinum...

wait or buy now?

 

[AGodspeed]

Let me give you the lowdown:

During Q1 next year (meaning during the months of January, Feburary, and March), AMD is scheduled to release an Athlon processor based on the .13 micron process. All current Athlon processors are based on the .18 micron process. Converting over to the .13 micron process usually increases performance and decreases the amount of power needed to run that processor.

Current estimates are that AMD will release their .13 micron Athlon processor (codenamed Thoroughbred) during the month of March, and at a speed of 1.83GHz. Therefore, it is very possible that we will see a 2GHz Athlon processor next summer (likely in the June/July timeframe).

btw, what is a hammer chip?

"Hammer" is the codename for AMD's next generation processor. The Athlon is AMD's 7th generation processor, "Hammer" will be AMD's 8th generation processor. AMD's Processor Roadmap indicates that they will release the "Hammer" processors at the end of next year 2002. The GHz speed "Hammer" will debut at is as of yet unknown.

right now i got a p3 1 GHZ (that's for you GEEK 167) with a gf2 gts pro32mb. 24x tdk. sb live platinum...

First, I'd need to know exactly what you plan on doing with your computer. If you simply browse the internet a lot, download a lot of MP3s, watch movies, and play games, the system you have now should be good until the end of next year, when AMD's "Hammer" processors will be available.

 

[Henny]

If you want to burn $'s to get to 2Ghz than go P4, but you're probably waisting your money unless you have a very specific CPU intensive application. PIII at 1 Ghz is a very respectable performer even with XP.

Is your hard drive 7200rpm? Do you have at least 512K memory?

I would focus on the above and probably hold off on any CPU upgrade until you get at least 2.5X performance boost.

 

[Koch]

the athlon xp 1900+ at 1.6GHz beats the 2GHz p4 at almost every benchmark for 170 dollars less.... dont look at the operating frequency... look at the benchmarks... anand does a good job with all that

 

[sandorski]

Henny: Typo! My XT had 640k of ram and 2 5.25" 360k fd!

 

[OCDuron]

If you really want an AMD 2GHz system, get some hardcore cooling and try overclocking a 1.6GHz XP 1900 to 2GHz.

 

[Henny]

Trying to OC any processor beyond what it's underlying process is capable of yielding is a bad strategy. OC a low end P4 to around 2Ghz or a low end Athlon to around 1.6Ghz or so.

Going beyond that is generally unwise.

 

[johndoe52]

<< I believe AMD will pilot their initial .13 micron build with Duron in early '02 to wring out the process. >>



Just wanted to point out that the roadmap says otherwise. Duron .13 should come out slightly later than thoroughbred.

I did want to know if AMD plans on uping the "standard" fsb (for lack of a better term even though most people already oc with that as it is) now that the core is on an organic platform instead of the ceramic?

 

[tkim]

thanks dudes! i think i will wait.....even though it is killing me!

i guess its for the better cause by then the gf3 will be cheaper too.......


wait.....then there will be a gf4....shiz!!! =)

 

[Nebakanezzar]

Hey Tkim,

if your at 1gig now..id say just go for the gf3 ti500. it will give you the extra fps i think you are looking for. that should get ya by till the 2gig's come out.

 

[SHUJeff]

AGodspeed pointed out the AMD processor road map and we all thank you for that. But, did anyone notice that there is a .09 micron claw hammer in that list? Will .09 be even faster and require less power than the .13?

 

[AGodspeed]

But, did anyone notice that there is a .09 micron claw hammer in that list?

SHUJeff, .09 micron won't be implemented until at least the second half of 2003, so don't hold your breath for that one.

Will .09 be even faster and require less power than the .13?

Yes, which is good.

 

[chizow]

I don't think the Hammer line is planned for desktop usage in 2002, its gonna be rolled out for the server and high-end workstation crowd. Also, remember that it will be using a completely new 64-bit architecture, so its desktop acceptance may take a bit longer, not to mention its price tag may be prohibitive for mass consumption.

Chiz

 

[AGodspeed]

I don't think the Hammer line is planned for desktop usage in 2002...

Look at AMD's roadmap, they have ClawHammer scheduled for desktop usage at the end of 2002/possibly beginning 2003.

...its gonna be rolled out for the server and high-end workstation crowd.

That's the SlegeHammer processor, scheduled for a Q1 2003 release.

Also, remember that it will be using a completely new 64-bit architecture, so its desktop acceptance may take a bit longer...

Actually, if anything, ClawHammer will look even more attractive just by having 64-bit capabilities (whether 64-bit on ClawHammer will operate at a high performance level is unknown as of right now).

...not to mention its price tag may be prohibitive for mass consumption.

Not necessarily actually. When ClawHammer debuts, it's die size will be about 20% smaller than current Athlon XPs (104mm² to 129mm²). Also, if the Northbridge is in fact integrated onto the ClawHammer's die, yes, the actual AMD "processor" (funny how it's really more than just a processor, but a processor-chipset really) will be more expensive. However, you must factor in motherboard costs. And motherboards will certainly be significantly less money if they didn't need to incorporate a Northbridge into the design.

Again, we're going off of only a basic understanding of Hammer. We'll know soon enough what AMD is planning.

 

[tkim]

yo neba,

that is a good idea! i will look into it.

now if i can only figure out what is causing my system to halt??

my problem...HERE!!