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Muadib

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Originally posted by: AlienCraft
Originally posted by: allisolm
Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
Has anyone been in a similar situation? Essentially a case of a property owner not using their tenant's rent money to pay the mortgage?

I don't know of any law that says the property owner has to use their tenant's rent money to pay their own mortgage. The two are entirely separate contracts. Which still sucks for your friend.:(
This is why I would ask for a credit check on the landlord before committing to a house or condo rental in these times. Anyone who balks at that doesn't get to run my credit or cash my checks.
This is one's only hope of insight as to the financial solvency of that prospective landlord.
Of course they can always screw up after the inital check, but who can prevent chance?

And as the owner, I would tell you to jagoff!:p I never heard the term before now, and had to try it.:D When I was renting my old place though, that's pretty much what I told one girl. Renters are a dime a dozen, at least around here, even in these times.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: AlienCraft

This is why I would ask for a credit check on the landlord before committing to a house or condo rental in these times.

Anyone who balks at that doesn't get to run my credit or cash my checks.

Yo've actually run a credit check on a landlord?

How do you go about it?
 

CasioTech

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who says your friend pays the whole mortgage and fees/bills via rent payment?
if your friend did that, maybe they wouldn't foreclose.
 

alkemyst

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: AlienCraft

This is why I would ask for a credit check on the landlord before committing to a house or condo rental in these times.

Anyone who balks at that doesn't get to run my credit or cash my checks.

Yo've actually run a credit check on a landlord?

How do you go about it?

Yeah that is looney....as usual shens.
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: AlienCraft

This is why I would ask for a credit check on the landlord before committing to a house or condo rental in these times.

Anyone who balks at that doesn't get to run my credit or cash my checks.

Yo've actually run a credit check on a landlord?

How do you go about it?

Yeah that is looney....as usual shens.

i have to agree. shens.
 

alkemyst

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i love it when people that live at home with good ol' mom and dad think they have the world figured out.
 

AlienCraft

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: AlienCraft
This is why I would ask for a credit check on the landlord before committing to a house or condo rentalin these times.

Anyone who balks at that doesn't get to run my credit or cash my checks.

Yo've actually run a credit check on a landlord?

How do you go about it?
#1. There's a big difference between someone trying to rent a house or condo by themselves, and someone who is a "landlord."
To me, a landlord is someone who is in business for a period of time not meaing just "now". These forclosure messes are cause by first / new timers.
And, this is my new policy after seeing the increase in fraudulent rental agreements connected with foreclosure.


#2. It's called due diligence and 'sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander'.
This really only applies to a single party landlord aka, someone who thought they were Armando Montolongro and going to flip houses and got stuck with one.... or two... and is overextended with the boat and RV and 4 wheelers and Harley and now thinks they are going to Ponzi the tenant while they skate out of their biggest debt, and screw the tenant.
First, know the part of the law regarding getting a credit report.
Once you properly identify the section that's relevant to the one making the request...FCRA section 604 subsection 3 line f ,(i). I'ld say you're getting a report.
It's as simple as having them fill out their own form and you going off to one of a dozen different sites, paying the fee.

Also, you don't need their permission to run the address through the County Clerk and see if there are any liens or encumberances already.
That inital filing is what triggers all the re-fi vultures and is public information.

Furthermore there are numerous Public Information sites that will for a fee run down anyone you have info on. But I'm sure you know this stuff, this is ID Protection 101....
Any address that matches should be cause for further questioning as to financial soundness.

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Yeah that is looney....as usual shens.

If this were a perfect world and everyone were trustworthy, then yeah, this would be looney. and unnecessary. But it's not, and people are getting hosed by unscrupulous people scamming them out of rent, under the guise of "long term rental" and then getting tossed out by someone who simply was a thief / con man by another name...landlord.

This is what is available, and legal to do by prospective tenants. Anyone who fails to do "Due Diligence" and then claims they were taken advantage of, fails to garner my sympathy.


Originally posted by: Muadib

And as the owner, I would tell you to jagoff!:p I never heard the term before now, and had to try it.:D When I was renting my old place though, that's pretty much what I told one girl. Renters are a dime a dozen, at least around here, even in these times.

And so too, are Rentals. And becoming more so every day.
This is why the problem exists, because of those who shouldn't be landlords.

I know how you must feel, It's always hard when the dominant paradigm is challenged. I felt the same way when analog tape was replaced by Pro-Tools.
As long as you don't fall under the shadow of the "Shady Landlord", none of this applies to you anyway.
However, should you choose to paint yourself with that broadest of brushes, you would then assume the mantle of "jagoff.


Just as a few bad tenants have forced landlords to take precautionary measures, so too will the acts of a few bad landlords increase the need for prospective tenants to educate themselves on how to protect themself, and avoid getting ripped off.



Originally posted by: alkemyst
i love it when people that live at home with good ol' mom and dad think they have the world figured out.
I assume you're directing that at me, inspite of not directly quoting it.
I love it more when people on an internet forum make assumptions about people they've never met, much less having never even engaged them in the most basic of social introductions.


Good DAY, sir!
:D



edited for big grin!

f the spelling.



 

alkemyst

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Originally posted by: AlienCraft
I assume you're directing that at me, inspite of not directly quoting it.
I love it more when people on an internet forum make assumptions about people they've never met, much less having never even engaged them in the most basic of social introductions.


Good DAY, sir!
:D



edited for big grin!

f the spelling.

Well I was hoping you were young and just not retarded.

How many places have you 1) rented and 2) had a landlord willing to give you his credit report?

I have some news, the landlord had good enough credit to BUY the place...where as most renters don't have the credit.

 

drnickriviera

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Ha ha, oh man thanks for the good laugh. There's no way in heck i'm giving my credit report to a tenant.

They tightened the rules on who could pull a credit report a few years ago. I had to have someone come and inspect my home office before I could pull reports.
 

BoomerD

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Unfortunately, your friend is hosed. This kind of thing is happening all over, especially here in Kahleeforneeya. Yes, he can ride it out until he's asked to move, (and maybe negotiate some kind of compensation for having to move) he can stay until he's legally evicted, but that will go on his credit report, he MAY be able to end his lease early because of the impending foreclosure, but that's about it. He MAY be able to contact the lender if he knows who they are and work something out with them, but it'd be a month-to-month kind of thing at best, and he'd probably be obligated to let them show the house on short notice...which sux.

About 15 years ago, we rented a house from what ended up being a large corporation who went into bankruptcy. The courts ordered the houses sold and once our lease expired, we weren't allowed to renew it, but were "permitted" to stay on a month-to-month basis while the houses were sold. We got tired of the owner's rep showing up unannounced wanting to show the house (supposed to give us 24 hours notice) so we moved. They objected and tried to convince us to stay, (collecting the rent is better than an empty house) but we still left.
 

EagleKeeper

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When the place is foreclosed on, the bank may be willing to allow him to stay and continuing paying the rent until they are able to sell the place.

Best thing would be form him to find out who holds the note and talk to them on the situation.
 

Xavier434

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Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
When the place is foreclosed on, the bank may be willing to allow him to stay and continuing paying the rent until they are able to sell the place.

Best thing would be form him to find out who holds the note and talk to them on the situation.

Doubtful. Most banks sell the properties rather quickly since they are not trying to sell it to the next home owner. They sell it to another company which then tries to find home owners. Those companies expect the homes they purchase to be vacant.
 

Vette73

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First thing I do is call the MNGT and ask them if they or the owner has the Sec. deposit? If its the owner then I would stop paying until the deposit is recovered. Then after that I wouldk only pay AFTER that month. So you pay for Junes rent in July 1st. make sure to note on the check this is XYZ's month rent. That way when they come to tell you to leave you will not lose any money.

But as already stated each state is different, but right now with what is going on I cover my own ass before i tried to cover someone elses.
 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: Xavier434
Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
When the place is foreclosed on, the bank may be willing to allow him to stay and continuing paying the rent until they are able to sell the place.

Best thing would be form him to find out who holds the note and talk to them on the situation.

Doubtful. Most banks sell the properties rather quickly since they are not trying to sell it to the next home owner. They sell it to another company which then tries to find home owners. Those companies expect the homes they purchase to be vacant.

That is true - however, the bank is losing money if the property is vacant.