Review Need help & guidance on my i5 14600K & Geforce RTX 3050 6GB

[BoomerD]

if i choose intel i7 14700K, instead of i5 14600K- it is bad then? intel haven't fix it still?

it's still a 14th gen Intel processor. Step back to the 12th gen. i7-12700K, i9-12900K...none of those seem to be affected.
I built my PC with the i5-13600K almost 2 years ago. No problems...YET.

As for recommendations, it helps if we know in what country you live/order parts from.

 

[PhantomNoob]

it's still a 14th gen Intel processor. Step back to the 12th gen. i7-12700K, i9-12900K...none of those seem to be affected.
I built my PC with the i5-13600K almost 2 years ago. No problems...YET.

As for recommendations, it helps if we know in what country you live/order parts from.

Bangladesh

 

[manly]

Check these resources and see what's a good deal in your region:

PSU Tier List rev. 17.0g - Cultists Network

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Question - PSU Tiers

Hey fellow PC builders, I wanted to ask: what do you think about categorizing PSUs into tiers? I've heard of the Cultists Tier List and also psu prices to go alongside it. Has anyone else used this site or similar tier lists for PSU shopping? Also, for those who have used tier lists, how much...

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Raptor Lake and Raptor Lake Refresh are basically the same. IIRC the i7 and i9 SKUs have the high failure rates.

Also, Intel played some naming games and the lower SKUs for Core 13th/14th gen are not full upgrades. Details here: https://www.techspot.com/review/2612-intel-core-i5-13500/

So this suggests that if you stick with Core 12th gen or i5-14500, you should be OK. Intel did recently fix the issue with microcode, but that cannot undo prior damage.

 

[mikeymikec]

if i choose intel i7 14700K, instead of i5 14600K- it is bad then? intel haven't fix it still?

Even before the stability issue, Raptor Lake wasn't great to begin with: their CPUs used a tonne more wattage to hit the frequencies needed to make it competitive with AMD. Intel was really trying to push their technologically inferior CPUs to the absolute limit, and soon after release people started talking about stability issues, e.g. here:

Question - DEGRADING Raptor lake CPUs

I noticed some reports about degrading i9 13900K and KF processors. I experienced this problem myself, when I ran it at 6 GHz, light load (3 threads of Cinebench), at acceptable temperature and non extreme voltage. After only few minutes it crashed, and then it could not run even at stock...

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Assuming that the latest fix (early October) has actually fixed the problem (it's not the first attempt, they still weren't certain of the problem in August), it's taken Intel two years to get on top of this problem! Intel is in danger of going under, and the US government is involved in finding a buyer.

A guy on imgur posted yesterday about how Intel is weaselling their way out of a warranty return:

https://imgur.com/a/nZEL0kg

As a comparison, AMD had a similar issue very briefly with the 7000 series, IIRC they sent out an AGESA update within a month or so, problem fixed. I bought a 7800X3D about six months after "job done". I certainly wouldn't have done that if I wasn't confident that the problem was fixed, the last thing I want is a new computer that freezes up half the time and maybe the CPU getting toasted.

 

[PhantomNoob]

Thanks all of u guys. I really appreciate it.

Di i need ddr5 (because i m not a gamer)? then i shift into ddr4 then and rebuild my components.

 

[mikeymikec]

Thanks all of u guys. I really appreciate it.

Di i need ddr5 (because i m not a gamer)? then i shift into ddr4 then and rebuild my components.

AFAIK the CPU generation will determine which generation of RAM you need, the only exception I'm vaguely aware of is Intel Alder Lake (12th gen) which can take DDR4 and low-end DDR5 (PS: I haven't built anything newer from Intel than 11th gen). Otherwise Raptor Lake needs DDR5, AMD AM5 needs DDR5, and AMD AM4 needs DDR4.

After you choose your CPU (at least the generation), it may be worth your while reading up about optimum RAM for gaming with that CPU otherwise you might end up overspending when the CPU doesn't make great use of the expensive RAM.

 

[PhantomNoob]

AFAIK the CPU generation will determine which generation of RAM you need, the only exception I'm vaguely aware of is Intel Alder Lake (12th gen) which can take DDR4 and low-end DDR5 (PS: I haven't built anything newer from Intel than 11th gen). Otherwise Raptor Lake needs DDR5, AMD AM5 needs DDR5, and AMD AM4 needs DDR4.

After you choose your CPU (at least the generation), it may be worth your while reading up about optimum RAM for gaming with that CPU otherwise you might end up overspending when the CPU doesn't make great use of the expensive RAM.

After considering all the advice and resources, I've decided to go with the Intel Core i7-12700K (Alder Lake) and use DDR4 RAM. Will I face any issues with this setup?

 

[In2Photos]

After considering all the advice and resources, I've decided to go with the Intel Core i7-12700K (Alder Lake) and use DDR4 RAM. Will I face any issues with this setup?

No, just make sure the motherboard you get is also a DDR4 board.

 

[PhantomNoob]

No, just make sure the motherboard you get is also a DDR4 board.

Given my type of work, this setup should allow me to work comfortably and at a decent speed, right?

 

[In2Photos]

Given my type of work, this setup should allow me to work comfortably and at a decent speed, right?

I don't see any reason this wouldn't work for your use case. What have you been using up to this point for your work?

 

[PhantomNoob]

I don't see any reason this wouldn't work for your use case. What have you been using up to this point for your work?

I'm an offensive cybersecurity professional, so I work extensively with tools like VMware Workstation, VirtualBox, Burp Suite, and Metasploit, and I use a dual-boot setup. My PC is strictly for professional use - especially for penetration testing, digital forensic, malware analysis, bug hunting etc.—no gaming involved.

 

[mikeymikec]

I'm an offensive cybersecurity professional, so I work extensively with tools like VMware Workstation, VirtualBox, Burp Suite, and Metasploit, and I use a dual-boot setup. My PC is strictly for professional use - especially for penetration testing, digital forensic, malware analysis, bug hunting etc.—no gaming involved.

In that case, functional RAM will suffice

 

[In2Photos]

I'm an offensive cybersecurity professional, so I work extensively with tools like VMware Workstation, VirtualBox, Burp Suite, and Metasploit, and I use a dual-boot setup. My PC is strictly for professional use - especially for penetration testing, digital forensic, malware analysis, bug hunting etc.—no gaming involved.

Yeah I read all that. What PC do you currently use to do that?

 

[BoomerD]

AFAIK the CPU generation will determine which generation of RAM you need, the only exception I'm vaguely aware of is Intel Alder Lake (12th gen) which can take DDR4 and low-end DDR5 (PS: I haven't built anything newer from Intel than 11th gen). Otherwise Raptor Lake needs DDR5, AMD AM5 needs DDR5, and AMD AM4 needs DDR4.

After you choose your CPU (at least the generation), it may be worth your while reading up about optimum RAM for gaming with that CPU otherwise you might end up overspending when the CPU doesn't make great use of the expensive RAM.

I built my rig with z690 board (DDR4) and i5-13600K. No issues. I think even the 790 series of boards have DDR4 variants. The I9-14900 processors will run DDR4 just fine...but not as fast as the DDR5. Will the average user notice the difference?

 

[mikeymikec]

I built my rig with z690 board (DDR4) and i5-13600K. No issues. I think even the 790 series of boards have DDR4 variants. The I9-14900 processors will run DDR4 just fine...but not as fast as the DDR5. Will the average user notice the difference?

Which is why I later said:

In that case, functional RAM will suffice

 

[lakedude]

if i choose intel i7 14700K, instead of i5 14600K- it is bad then? intel haven't fix it still?

There was actually more trouble with the higher level parts. They were pushing them too hard.

 

[PhantomNoob]

Finally, Here is my revised build :

CPU: Intel Core i7-12700K Alder Lake Processor
Motherboard: MSI Pro Z690-A WiFi DDR4
RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX 64GB (2 x 32GB) DDR4 3200MHz Black (CMK64GX4M2E3200C16)
SSD: Samsung 990 Pro 1TB
HDD: Toshiba P300 1TB 7200RPM
Casing: Lian Li Lancool II Mesh Performance
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 Chromax.Black Air Cooler / Arctic Liquid Freezer II 280 AIO Liquid Cooler (Not sure)
Keyboard & Mouse: A4Tech 4200N Wireless Combo
Power Supply: Corsair RM750x Shift 750W 80+ Gold Full Modular
UPS: APC 1000VA

 

[mikeymikec]

I'd be very surprised if you needed a PSU that big. According to a review I just read, peak power usage is ~225W (for the whole system). I'd consider a decent 550W PSU.

 

[In2Photos]

Finally, Here is my revised build :

CPU: Intel Core i7-12700K Alder Lake Processor
Motherboard: MSI Pro Z690-A WiFi DDR4
RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX 64GB (2 x 32GB) DDR4 3200MHz Black (CMK64GX4M2E3200C16)
SSD: Samsung 990 Pro 1TB
HDD: Toshiba P300 1TB 7200RPM
Casing: Lian Li Lancool II Mesh Performance
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 Chromax.Black Air Cooler / Arctic Liquid Freezer II 280 AIO Liquid Cooler (Not sure)
Keyboard & Mouse: A4Tech 4200N Wireless Combo
Power Supply: Corsair RM750x Shift 750W 80+ Gold Full Modular
UPS: APC 1000VA

Why 2 drives? I don't see any reason to buy a 1 TB HDD over a 1 TB SSD. Why not just buy a 2 TB NVME drive?

 

[manly]

In today's market, you can get a decent 550W PSU but you may not find an excellent one. Selection will be better at 650W.

Why 2 drives? I don't see any reason to buy a 1 TB HDD over a 1 TB SSD. Why not just buy a 2 TB NVME drive?

I doubt he's buying a 1TB HDD; I assumed it's a holdover.
Many years ago I bought a WD Black 1TB; it's still new in box. I do have an old USB2 enclosure to put it in, but why?

I realize we've all been steering OP away from Raptor Lake, but would an i5-14500 and air cooling be such a bad idea? (It was the i7/i9 parts that were failing?)

 

[In2Photos]

In today's market, you can get a decent 550W PSU but you may not find an excellent one. Selection will be better at 650W.



I doubt he's buying a 1TB HDD; I assumed it's a holdover.
Many years ago I bought a WD Black 1TB; it's still new in box. I do have an old USB2 enclosure to put it in, but why?

I realize we've all been steering OP away from Raptor Lake, but would an i5-14500 and air cooling be such a bad idea? (It was the i7/i9 parts that were failing?)

Well it's the OPs first PC though so not sure why there would be a holdover.

My guess is that any PC you get today would be fine, but I haven't been able to get an answer as to what they are using right now to do the work (other than "laptop").

 

[mikeymikec]

@manly

Seasonic Focus GX is A-tier and they do a 550W PSU.

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HDD - I assume OP wanted stuff on a separate drive for some reason and assumed that a HDD would be cheaper, which of course it is. At that capacity though it's not really saving megabucks. I've got a 1TB SSD and 4TB HDD (NAS type for APM functions in Linux), and at that capacity there's quite a large price difference between a decent SSD and a NAS HDD (plus I got mine for free, w00t). Assuming for a second that a second physical internal drive is a requirement (as opposed to say partitioning the SSD or using an external drive), I wonder whether a less premium but still perfectly capable SSD would be a better choice, partly for noise reasons, partly for "less moving parts = more likely reliable", partly for less wiring.

 

[manly]

I'm not saying he has to get an overspec'd PSU but I see just some bronze options < 600W on Newegg U.S.

https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=100007657%20600479294&Submit=ENE

Technically the GX-550 exists but good luck finding one NIB.

@mikeymikec Not much to wonder about, there's zero reason to buy a new 1TB HDD today.

 

[mikeymikec]

Heh - I just checked with one of my suppliers (UK) and I just found the Focus GX 850 for the same price as I bought a 650W for three years ago

 

[Seba]

For data storage I trust a HDD more.