Need help getting a 4400 to 3.0Ghz...

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Theguynextdoor

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Here is what I have:

EVGA Mobo with the NF4 SLi Rev. 1.0
Nvidia 7800GT
Corsair XMS PRO 4000
AMD X2 4400

Now my concern is the heatsink of the proc.
It's running an aftermarket ThermalTake Venus 12 HSF. It works better then stock.
But I want to bump the voltages up. I don't want to do this until I get a REALLY good HSF for it.

I'm gonna use Nvidia Ntune to overclock.

I might also change the HSF for the GPU too, but it seems like too much work.

So all I really need is recomendations for a HSF. Quiet is not a big issue, but I don't want the Tornado and it's 6k RPM hair dryer in my computer either. But I also don't want to sacrifice performance either.

I'm thinking the Zalman 120MM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835118115

Any other recomendations would be appreciate. I know there's a lot of new fangled stuff out there like Heatpipes and Jet engines.
 
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Ayah

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Originally posted by: Frackal
You'll need phase change or a miracle
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^. You'll need some intensive cooling equipment to go that far.
 
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OcHungry

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Originally posted by: Frackal
Originally posted by: OcHungry
Originally posted by: aka1nas
Your chances of doing that with air are very very slim.
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My 4400 x2 @ 3.1 ghz w/ Stock HSF:

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/4412/08262006004052ts6.jpg
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When did you buy it? Can it prime?
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I bought it from newegg 3 weeks ago. its an 89 watts. I am in the same boat. i can oc this booger pretty high and hoping to prime stable >3ghz. but did not run prime too long because of too high of temp (50c) during prime. I am thinkering a phase change to build. I think the only option w/ 3ghz is phase change since water or heatpipe are not as effective for x2's and ocing this high. Considering conroe's temp, 50c seems to be cool (pawn intended) but I got lucky w/ this chip and not going to take a chance w/ any other cooling than phase.
I did a Spi 32m @ 2.9ghz w/ 1.4v vcore which is amazing compared to 1.60v w/ the A64 3000 I had (@ 2.8ghz). I am still in process of breaking-in the chip and I believe I can break 3ghz and stable when have installed the phase change. who needs conroe? I only spent $230 to get an FX64 :) which is as fast as E6800. Dont argue over it. I am what I am and I think what I think:)

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/4528/09072006045818ok1.jpg
 
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hennethannun

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ochungry:
how the hell are you idling at 19C at 2.9ghz with stock hsf?

my 89W 4400+ witll go at least as far as 2.75 prime stable at 1.37V with the AMD heatpipe cooler, but the idle temps (on Core Temp) are in the high 30s/low 40s. and the load temps at that speed are around 65C (again with core temp, prope II and everest both report 55C under load).
 
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OcHungry

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Originally posted by: hennethannun
ochungry:
how the hell are you idling at 19C at 2.9ghz with stock hsf?

my 89W 4400+ witll go at least as far as 2.75 prime stable at 1.37V with the AMD heatpipe cooler, but the idle temps (on Core Temp) are in the high 30s/low 40s. and the load temps at that speed are around 65C (again with core temp, prope II and everest both report 55C under load).
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I have good case ventelation. i have a sidedoor fan duct to over cpu HSF. the case is sitting in front of a window A/C flex duct to the A/C blower grill. When i run stress test i turn on the A/C. Even w/ this i get to 50c during prime even though it idles to 18-19c. I dont think the aluminum HS transfer/desepate heat as quikly as the cpu is emmiting. That's why i believe the only good cooling is phase change w/ IHS removed.
BTW Everest and MBM5 show 39-40c load temp (during prime) but the "CoreTemp" shows 50c. I take the higher temp to be on safe side. I dont know if CoreTemp software is accurate or not, but a lot of people use it and the author of the software swares by it. So I guess I have to believe him. Try CoreTemp software and you see what I mean.
 
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hennethannun

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MMM, AC next to your pc venting directly onto the CPU would certianly explain the low temps. But man, 19C would be a LOW AMBIENT temp, let alone an idle temp for your cpu. so you must have the AC on all the time to idle at that temp, unless you live in saskatchewan or alaska!

as for Core Temp, yup, it usually does show a higher temp at load, although it does usually show a lower idle speed. it seems to be pretty accurate. I don't really like my cpu getting up to 65C at load (at 2.75ghz) even if most programs only report 55C. But the thermal specs for the 89W processor say it can go up to 71C safely, so i think i should be okay.

anyway, congrats on that fantasic overclock. I wish I could run at 3.1ghz!
 
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imported_inspire

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3.1 is insane on air, but I suppose the A/C helps a lot. I just hope that thing doesn't kick off on you at the wrong time...
 
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OcHungry

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Originally posted by: hennethannun
MMM, AC next to your pc venting directly onto the CPU would certianly explain the low temps. But man, 19C would be a LOW AMBIENT temp, let alone an idle temp for your cpu. so you must have the AC on all the time to idle at that temp, unless you live in saskatchewan or alaska!

as for Core Temp, yup, it usually does show a higher temp at load, although it does usually show a lower idle speed. it seems to be pretty accurate. I don't really like my cpu getting up to 65C at load (at 2.75ghz) even if most programs only report 55C. But the thermal specs for the 89W processor say it can go up to 71C safely, so i think i should be okay.

anyway, congrats on that fantasic overclock. I wish I could run at 3.1ghz!
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thanks man. I am sure you will go into 3ghz soon after chip has broken-in.
The reason idle temp showed that low was because I took screenshot right away. I don?t run AC all the time, just when testing. Also during summer I have this room closed off from the rest of the house and central air if off. Kind of conserving on elect bill. So yes usually room temp is around 68F. But this A/C unit gets pretty cold and withing 5 feet of it must be around 50 or so Fahrenheit.
 
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aka1nas

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It doesn't mean much if it hasn't been proven prime stable. My Opty 165 is only prime stable at 2.7Ghz. It looks fine in windows at 3Ghz even but will fail Orthos in a few seconds on one core at those speeds.
 
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OcHungry

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Originally posted by: aka1nas
It doesn't mean much if it hasn't been proven prime stable. My Opty 165 is only prime stable at 2.7Ghz. It looks fine in windows at 3Ghz even but will fail Orthos in a few seconds on one core at those speeds.
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Envy.

 
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Shimmishim

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Originally posted by: OcHungry
Originally posted by: aka1nas
It doesn't mean much if it hasn't been proven prime stable. My Opty 165 is only prime stable at 2.7Ghz. It looks fine in windows at 3Ghz even but will fail Orthos in a few seconds on one core at those speeds.
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Envy.
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phase change is pretty pointless on the X2 unless you can find one w/o a coldbug.

then again i haven't heard too much about the newer steppings and mem controller revisions.

i know the old ones had no coldbug but the newer ones are hit or miss.
 
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myocardia

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Originally posted by: OcHungry
Originally posted by: aka1nas
It doesn't mean much if it hasn't been proven prime stable. My Opty 165 is only prime stable at 2.7Ghz. It looks fine in windows at 3Ghz even but will fail Orthos in a few seconds on one core at those speeds.
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Envy.
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No, that's fact. If it can't be reliably used, then it's pointless.
 
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OcHungry

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Originally posted by: myocardia
Originally posted by: OcHungry
Originally posted by: aka1nas
It doesn't mean much if it hasn't been proven prime stable. My Opty 165 is only prime stable at 2.7Ghz. It looks fine in windows at 3Ghz even but will fail Orthos in a few seconds on one core at those speeds.
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Envy.
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No, that's fact. If it can't be reliably used, then it's pointless.
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envy.
Since when the commentators have become expert?
How much you know how much I?ve done? before making those envious comments.
Let me see you do 3.1 ghz stock cooling and 1.525v. Not to have nuts in your panties, I am about to do 3.2ghz prime stable w/ 1.55v. chew on that a bit.
 
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Blitzkreig75

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i know the old ones had no coldbug but the newer ones are hit or miss.
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"Coldbug"? I have a 100w X2 4400+ I'm working on....(currently 9x275MHz 6+ hrs Orthos), CCB2E 0606 stepping.

What's this 'coldbug' and what does it effect?
 
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Blitzkreig75

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Originally posted by: StinkyMojo
I generally just play a few hours of Counter-Strike: Source... Screw Prime! :p
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I can see how that would work. I had a P4 overclock that was 100% Prime stable for 15+hours but crashed playing Sacred:Underworld. Never did figure out why. :p

 
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