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Old Hippie

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Originally posted by: ribbon13
You mean this?

It's definately the most budget minded 2x1GB DDR500 kit available. I'm sure it will work fine with your A8N
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All I know is...You talked me into it! I have the A8N-SLI and was looking to upgrade. Thanks for the pointers!
 
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mwmorph

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please dont get DDR500. get that value ram mentioned above, the corsair value select. just make sure your cpu is venice core.

DDR500 will add 0 bandwith unless you overclock since if you dont overclock the highest a amd64 cpu will run any ram is ddr400 which is native speed.

if you do overclock, the difference between running at ddr 500 and setting a divider to run at ddr400 is 0.5-1% literally in most games apps. winrar will be around 2-3% faster but that's about it.

will yuor asus baord support ddr500? yes.
should you get it? hell no.

edit: sorry, but your firends bragging about their XMS/Premium ram are idiots. I doubt they know the difference between HTT and FSB.
 
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tweekah

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I think the most important questions here is what is your budget? Everyone wants you spend your money and get you the best stuff but you're not getting the best bang for the buck.

Edit: get the value ram as people have been suggesting
 
MrDudeMan

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Originally posted by: mwmorph
please dont get DDR500. get that value ram mentioned above, the corsair value select. just make sure your cpu is venice core.

DDR500 will add 0 bandwith unless you overclock since if you dont overclock the highest a amd64 cpu will run any ram is ddr400 which is native speed.

if you do overclock, the difference between running at ddr 500 and setting a divider to run at ddr400 is 0.5-1% literally in most games apps. winrar will be around 2-3% faster but that's about it.

will yuor asus baord support ddr500? yes.
should you get it? hell no.

edit: sorry, but your firends bragging about their XMS/Premium ram are idiots. I doubt they know the difference between HTT and FSB.
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lets see some links to backup all this crap you just spewed.
 
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theMan

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Originally posted by: Bigsm00th
Originally posted by: mwmorph
please dont get DDR500. get that value ram mentioned above, the corsair value select. just make sure your cpu is venice core.

DDR500 will add 0 bandwith unless you overclock since if you dont overclock the highest a amd64 cpu will run any ram is ddr400 which is native speed.

if you do overclock, the difference between running at ddr 500 and setting a divider to run at ddr400 is 0.5-1% literally in most games apps. winrar will be around 2-3% faster but that's about it.

will yuor asus baord support ddr500? yes.
should you get it? hell no.

edit: sorry, but your firends bragging about their XMS/Premium ram are idiots. I doubt they know the difference between HTT and FSB.
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lets see some links to backup all this crap you just spewed.
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hmm, lets see...

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=28&threadid=1475190&enterthread=y
 
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Fern

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Originally posted by: ManOnFire
TBH I don't really know about Ram. I'm gonna get an AMD 64 3500 with an Asus A8N-SLI deluxe mobo and a 6800gt, and all my friends keep bluffing about their high end ram....

I do not wish to overclock, I just want good performance, especially when it comes to gaming.
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IMHO ram latencies (timings) have little to no effect on gaming performance. Haven't been able to find one on my platform.

Socket 939 matrix thread theman linked shows the same for the 64bit platform. Also shows little to no hit when running divider if your ram is slower than your CPU (it would hurt a rig using my platform).

Your friends may have P4 systems. I understand that they can benefit from fatser ram.

Just get 2 sticks of 1gig value ram (2gigs total).

Fern
 
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ManOnFire

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i dont know what core is my cpu, i hope its good, supposed to arrive wednesday. I bought it for $283.

Other cpus wer $322 - $350...

how do i notice when i get it ? since its an oem version
 
MrDudeMan

MrDudeMan

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first of all that wasnt run with an X2, so the test is nullified. that is a very good thread with tons of information, but doesnt have anything to do with dual cores.

edit: i just noticed i initially forgot to say that i was talking about dual cores. oops.
 
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jondl

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Overclocking ram on A64 system - Bragging rights to us nerds
Overclocking ram on A64 system - has very minimal effects for the price you pay
Overclocking ram on A64 system - If you have money to spend and time to waste, get it and make sure you have hours of free time to check for stability.

I have the OCZ GOLD VX PC3200 and from what i've seen, these are garaunteed 250mhz atleast. IMOH, if i had to do it all over again, i would go for value ram and get 2gb instead. If you're really set on OCing, i would suggest TCCD over any BH5 or high voltage ram because of the heat issues (some might need active cooling unless you have an xp120+120mm fan hovering over your ram slots)

BTW, those prices seem a little steep esp when you can get some gskills for those prices.

//edit Also, it seems you don't know very much about OCing so it might be better to save yourself from the headache and get value instead of high speed.
 
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mwmorph

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Originally posted by: Bigsm00th
first of all that wasnt run with an X2, so the test is nullified. that is a very good thread with tons of information, but doesnt have anything to do with dual cores.

edit: i just noticed i initially forgot to say that i was talking about dual cores. oops.
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a X2 is just 2 amd64 cores(venice) slapped next to each other, made to share power and a memory controller as well as pins. the impact will be same with maybe a 1-2% standard deviation. furthermorre, since the venice/manchester/toledo cores all use the basically the same memory controller as the winchester used in the thread, albeit with the opmizations for using 4 sticks of ram and not having to drop to 333mhz the results are very comparable. The X2 is not a completely new chip, it's actually 2 amd64s together. the dual cores do not change any results.

Just cause you have something, and it cost more than another product does not make it the best.

Let me ask a question now. how do you know memory bandwith is what we should be worried about, i'm sure the rest of us are interested about your spewing of this crap. Memory bandwith has not been a issue since Clawhammer, why would it be a big issue now, and why would you recommend DDR500 to someone that told you he dosen't and will not oc?

if yuo really are such an "expert" should you know that the mem would run at 400mhz no matter what it's rated at since the cpu runs at 200mhz fsb?
 
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ManOnFire

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the problem is that Im not seeing any 2GB ram dual channel for sale ddr400

my source is overclockers.co.uk
 
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ribbon13

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Originally posted by: mwmorph
a X2 is just 2 amd64 cores(venice) slapped next to each other, made to share power and a memory controller as well as pins. the impact will be same with maybe a 1-2% standard deviation. furthermorre, since the venice/manchester/toledo cores all use the basically the same memory controller as the winchester used in the thread, albeit with the opmizations for using 4 sticks of ram and not having to drop to 333mhz the results are very comparable. The X2 is not a completely new chip, it's actually 2 amd64s together. the dual cores do not change any results.
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I don't see how you can say that there won't be much difference between 1 CPU and 2 CPUs using the same memory controller. Show me some benchmarks comparing DDR400 to DDR500 when SMP-aware games start to be able to use up to 100% of both cores. I can tell you the difference between the two is very distinguishable on my Opteron 180 when I test an SMP-aware game engine.

Just cause you have something, and it cost more than another product does not make it the best.

Let me ask a question now. how do you know memory bandwith is what we should be worried about, i'm sure the rest of us are interested about your spewing of this crap. Memory bandwith has not been a issue since Clawhammer, why would it be a big issue now, and why would you recommend DDR500 to someone that told you he dosen't and will not oc?

if yuo really are such an "expert" should you know that the mem would run at 400mhz no matter what it's rated at since the cpu runs at 200mhz fsb?
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Really, it is a silly thing to argue about. The price difference between the cheapest budget 2GB DDR400 kit and the DDR500 is $40. Were not talking about overclocking ram that's 'twice as much' And with DDR500 you can run it at DDR400 with very lean timings. You can also keep 1:1 divider when overclocking. The 'just a few percent' and 'just a few percent' differences start to add up :p

 
MrDudeMan

MrDudeMan

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Originally posted by: mwmorph

a X2 is just 2 amd64 cores(venice) slapped next to each other, made to share power and a memory controller as well as pins. the impact will be same with maybe a 1-2% standard deviation. furthermorre, since the venice/manchester/toledo cores all use the basically the same memory controller as the winchester used in the thread, albeit with the opmizations for using 4 sticks of ram and not having to drop to 333mhz the results are very comparable. The X2 is not a completely new chip, it's actually 2 amd64s together. the dual cores do not change any results.
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thanks captain obvious :roll:

Just cause you have something, and it cost more than another product does not make it the best.
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grow up. that was a really stupid comment.
Let me ask a question now. how do you know memory bandwith is what we should be worried about, i'm sure the rest of us are interested about your spewing of this crap. Memory bandwith has not been a issue since Clawhammer, why would it be a big issue now, and why would you recommend DDR500 to someone that told you he dosen't and will not oc?

if yuo really are such an "expert" should you know that the mem would run at 400mhz no matter what it's rated at since the cpu runs at 200mhz fsb?
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see ribbon13's reply. i have nothing else to add.
 
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mwmorph

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Originally posted by: ribbon13
Originally posted by: mwmorph
a X2 is just 2 amd64 cores(venice) slapped next to each other, made to share power and a memory controller as well as pins. the impact will be same with maybe a 1-2% standard deviation. furthermorre, since the venice/manchester/toledo cores all use the basically the same memory controller as the winchester used in the thread, albeit with the opmizations for using 4 sticks of ram and not having to drop to 333mhz the results are very comparable. The X2 is not a completely new chip, it's actually 2 amd64s together. the dual cores do not change any results.
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I don't see how you can say that there won't be much difference between 1 CPU and 2 CPUs using the same memory controller. Show me some benchmarks comparing DDR400 to DDR500 when SMP-aware games start to be able to use up to 100% of both cores. I can tell you the difference between the two is very distinguishable on my Opteron 180 when I test an SMP-aware game engine.

Just cause you have something, and it cost more than another product does not make it the best.

Let me ask a question now. how do you know memory bandwith is what we should be worried about, i'm sure the rest of us are interested about your spewing of this crap. Memory bandwith has not been a issue since Clawhammer, why would it be a big issue now, and why would you recommend DDR500 to someone that told you he dosen't and will not oc?

if yuo really are such an "expert" should you know that the mem would run at 400mhz no matter what it's rated at since the cpu runs at 200mhz fsb?
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Really, it is a silly thing to argue about. The price difference between the cheapest budget 2GB DDR400 kit and the DDR500 is $40. Were not talking about overclocking ram that's 'twice as much' And with DDR500 you can run it at DDR400 with very lean timings. You can also keep 1:1 divider when overclocking. The 'just a few percent' and 'just a few percent' differences start to add up :p
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well, we still have to talk about how the cpu will run the memory at ddr500 if his fsb is at ddr 200 since he will not oc? he said he wont oc so that p[rice is null and the price differenc is much more than $40 because you have to remember, dual channel kits are jsut 2 pieces of ram slapped into 1 package. buying 2 pieces of individual ram that are the same model will work too.
for example,
buying 2 of this
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820220029
will work in dual channel.($165 for 2 gig)
while the chaeapest ddr500 is $122.95 each or $245 for a pair

as i said, ddr400 is more than enough since he wont be able to take advantage of that bandwith by not overclcoking.

btw, nice to see you back, i remember you used to post like crazy, but you seemed to have taken a break for a while.

remember stock amd64 fsb is 200mhz right?
therefore the ramwill run at 400mhz ddr no matter if it's ddr 400 or 500. seriously tell me this si getting through. he will not overclock as he said earlier so it will stay at ddr400(since memory speed is equal to fsb x 2 for double data rate ram) so buying ddr500 will not gain him performance even if the dualcore thing impacts anything since the ram will not be running at the alloted 500mhz rating.
 
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ribbon13

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Originally posted by: mwmorph
well, we still have to talk about how the cpu will run the memory at ddr500 if his fsb is at ddr 200 since he will not oc? he said he wont oc so that p[rice is null and the price differenc is much more than $40 because you have to remember, dual channel kits are jsut 2 pieces of ram slapped into 1 package. buying 2 pieces of individual ram that are the same model will work too.
for example,
buying 2 of this
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820220029
will work in dual channel.($165 for 2 gig)
while the chaeapest ddr500 is $122.95 each or $245 for a pair
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$94.72 x2 (two of em)
$3.83 x2 (newegg's fscked shipping cost practice)
-$5 x1 (limit 1 rebate per house hold

$192.10 for 2GB of DDR333? Icky.

as i said, ddr400 is more than enough since he wont be able to take advantage of that bandwith by not overclcoking.

btw, nice to see you back, i remember you used to post like crazy, but you seemed to have taken a break for a while.

remember stock amd64 fsb is 200mhz right?
therefore the ramwill run at 400mhz ddr no matter if it's ddr 400 or 500. seriously tell me this si getting through. he will not overclock as he said earlier so it will stay at ddr400(since memory speed is equal to fsb x 2 for double data rate ram) so buying ddr500 will not gain him performance even if the dualcore thing impacts anything since the ram will not be running at the alloted 500mhz rating.
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People change thier mind about overclocking all the time. And he can still reap the benefit of running DDR500 at DDR400 cas2.

I however do agree that DDR500 isn't necessary at all for the OP. He's only got a 3500+, not an X2, and he's in the UK apparently so locating DDR500 1GB modules at a decent price may be nigh impossible, lest he has someone in the US order them for him and ship them to him.
 
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mwmorph

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Originally posted by: ribbon13
Originally posted by: mwmorph
well, we still have to talk about how the cpu will run the memory at ddr500 if his fsb is at ddr 200 since he will not oc? he said he wont oc so that p[rice is null and the price differenc is much more than $40 because you have to remember, dual channel kits are jsut 2 pieces of ram slapped into 1 package. buying 2 pieces of individual ram that are the same model will work too.
for example,
buying 2 of this
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820220029
will work in dual channel.($165 for 2 gig)
while the chaeapest ddr500 is $122.95 each or $245 for a pair
Click to expand...

$94.72 x2 (two of em)
$3.83 x2 (newegg's fscked shipping cost practice)
-$5 x1 (limit 1 rebate per house hold

$192.10 for 2GB of DDR333? Icky.

as i said, ddr400 is more than enough since he wont be able to take advantage of that bandwith by not overclcoking.

btw, nice to see you back, i remember you used to post like crazy, but you seemed to have taken a break for a while.

remember stock amd64 fsb is 200mhz right?
therefore the ramwill run at 400mhz ddr no matter if it's ddr 400 or 500. seriously tell me this si getting through. he will not overclock as he said earlier so it will stay at ddr400(since memory speed is equal to fsb x 2 for double data rate ram) so buying ddr500 will not gain him performance even if the dualcore thing impacts anything since the ram will not be running at the alloted 500mhz rating.
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People change thier mind about overclocking all the time. And he can still reap the benefit of running DDR500 at DDR400 cas2.

I however do agree that DDR500 isn't necessary at all for the OP. He's only got a 3500+, not an X2, and he's in the UK apparently so locating DDR500 1GB modules at a decent price may be nigh impossible, lest he has someone in the US order them for him and ship them to him.
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oh damn didint see that. ddr333. thought all ram manufactured now above 512mb is ddr400.

here ddr400
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820208125
92.50*2+3.83*2=192.66

gskill. ddr500
245+3.83=248.83

imean for that much money, if he is serious about not ocing(probably 98% of population will never oc), he could grab the next level up in gfx cards or a biggere monitor or a larger hdd.
 
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