need an agp card that can play ut2k7 and crysis

[iu2687]

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[Sc4freak]

If you can't get the 7800GS, then the 7600GS is your best bet. It is a lower mid-range card, can do HDR (which is a prevalent features in both of those games). However, the only cards available at this time which support HDR + AA are the ATI X1K series.

The X850pro is the fastest card after the 7800GS, get either the X850pro or the 7600GS if you can't get the 7800GS.

And ATI's drivers have no such problems, where'd you hear that? Sure there are bugs but Nvidia's drivers have plenty of those as well.

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: iu2687

same price as 7600gs and it has more juice. but it doesn't have sm3.0 or hdr. ati cards are also known to have numerous driver problems and compatability issues with certain games.

I cane in here with the intention of offering some advice, but after reading that moronic drivel i'll save it for someone else i think :roll:

Ahh i'll offer some up anyway. Ati drivers are as stable and mature as nvidias, if not more so.

Having got that out of the way, you're flogging a dead horse with AGP these days. If anything, pick up a used x800xt or a 6800 GT. What is the rest of the computer like?

 

[iu2687]

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[Sc4freak]

Originally posted by: iu2687
sorry about what i said about ati. i read somewhere that ati cards have trouble supporting games with open gl like doom3. they perform well with half life 2 but their fps takes a nose dive on doom 3. geforce cards tend to be more steady on more games. i never ran any benchmarks myself but this is just what i've heard. not completely sure if it's true

Well, let me tell you now... it isn't. It may have been true back in the days of the 8500, any maybe even up to the X series, but not now. Nvidia may still have a slight performance advantage in OpenGL games, but the very vast majority of games are DirectX anyway.

Also, Dug777 is probably one of the most qualified to tell you: Nvidia's image quality is nohere near as good as ATI's. Check out the 22-page thread on Nvidia's blocky shadows in FarCry. And most hardware sites do agree that overall ATI's image quality is better, especially AF. (Nvidia's AA up to 4xAA is the same as ATI's, but their 8x and 16x modes are unmatched).

 

[Zebo]

Why do you need a AGP card? With $60-$100 motherboards you can buy a 7900GT and still come out ahead maybe money wise aand definity speed wise... makes no sense.

 

[Ika]

Originally posted by: Sc4freak

Originally posted by: iu2687
sorry about what i said about ati. i read somewhere that ati cards have trouble supporting games with open gl like doom3. they perform well with half life 2 but their fps takes a nose dive on doom 3. geforce cards tend to be more steady on more games. i never ran any benchmarks myself but this is just what i've heard. not completely sure if it's true

Well, let me tell you now... it isn't. It may have been true back in the days of the 8500, any maybe even up to the X series, but not now. Nvidia may still have a slight performance advantage in OpenGL games, but the very vast majority of games are DirectX anyway.

Also, Dug777 is probably one of the most qualified to tell you: Nvidia's image quality is nohere near as good as ATI's. Check out the 22-page thread on Nvidia's blocky shadows in FarCry. And most hardware sites do agree that overall ATI's image quality is better, especially AF. (Nvidia's AA up to 4xAA is the same as ATI's, but their 8x and 16x modes are unmatched).

Definitely agreed. ATi released an OpenGL fix for their cards that improved the OGL performance something like 20% on ATi cards. Nvidia still holds the advantage with the Doom 3 engine, but it's definitely not as wide a gap as it used to be. Besides, ATi has the advantage when it comes to the Source engine, so it's a wash either way.

At this point, ATI cards are probably going to be the best bang for the buck, with the X800XT and X800XL as cheap as they are. A 6800GT will perform better, but it's tough to find it at as low a price as the ATi cards.

 

[ShadowOfMyself]

i need an agp card that can play ut2k7 and crysis on medium to high settings. by this i mean 4xaa and 1024x768.

Theres no such thing at the price point you want... get a pci-e mobo and card

 

[Zebo]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814150150 $228 7900gt make into gtx easy... find a $60 board asrock 939 dual sata2 get excellent reviews... and OC your 3000 to FX55 levels...

 

[hans030390]

Originally posted by: Sc4freak

Originally posted by: iu2687
sorry about what i said about ati. i read somewhere that ati cards have trouble supporting games with open gl like doom3. they perform well with half life 2 but their fps takes a nose dive on doom 3. geforce cards tend to be more steady on more games. i never ran any benchmarks myself but this is just what i've heard. not completely sure if it's true

Well, let me tell you now... it isn't. It may have been true back in the days of the 8500, any maybe even up to the X series, but not now. Nvidia may still have a slight performance advantage in OpenGL games, but the very vast majority of games are DirectX anyway.

Also, Dug777 is probably one of the most qualified to tell you: Nvidia's image quality is nohere near as good as ATI's. Check out the 22-page thread on Nvidia's blocky shadows in FarCry. And most hardware sites do agree that overall ATI's image quality is better, especially AF. (Nvidia's AA up to 4xAA is the same as ATI's, but their 8x and 16x modes are unmatched).

If you don't use AA/AF, Nvidia and ATI have nearly identical IQ. I've seen systems use both cards and noticed no difference. With AA/AF (Which I find pointless to use considering the performance hit...and I never notice jaggies or anything) I would agree that ATI may be a better choice then.

The Far Cry issue never happened to me. Neither did that shimmering thing. I think this whole ATI>Nvidia is some mental thing that people have, unless you want to get into AA/AF.

Don't base your card purchase off of advice about ATI>Nvidia in IQ.

 

[996GT2]

I wouldn't advise you sticking with AGP right now, but if you don't want to consider a new mobo+PCIe then I would go with the 7600GS, X850, or 7800GS if you can afford it. Prices have gone up on the 7800GS a bit since availability is not as high anymore.

 

[Munky]

Without AA/AF your game will look much worse than ideal, especially with the blurry textures. And if your card is not fast enough to handle AA/AF, then HDR and SM3 should not even be on your list of must have features, because HDR takes an even bigger hit in performance, and SM3 is only used to enable higher quality (read: complexity) shaders.

Of all those cards listed, maybe only an unlocked x800gto or the 7800gs would play it at 1024x768, 4xAA, medium-high settings, and that's without HDR. If you want HDR, then you're going to give up AA, and only the 7800gs might possibly play the game at 1024x768 wth HDR, but even that migh not go so smooth.

I would strongly suggest switching over to PCI-e, because for the less than the price of an AGP 7800gs you could get a much faster PCI-e card, like a 7900gt or a x1800xt.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself

i need an agp card that can play ut2k7 and crysis on medium to high settings. by this i mean 4xaa and 1024x768.

Theres no such thing at the price point you want... get a pci-e mobo and card

Problem is we don't know how Crysis and UT2K7 will play on . . . anything.

If you need to upgrade, upgrade for games NOW. Your old radeon 9000 agp graphics card is ANCIENT . . . ANY card you suggest will blow it away performancewise.

best bet is the 7800GS followed by the x850xt . . . if you must stick with AGP . . .

what resolution do you game at?

i'd pick up the cheapest card that will get you by till you do the complete *makeover*

this will 'get you by':

POWERCOLOR X800GTO128MB Radeon X800GTO 128MB 256-bit DDR PCI Express x16 Video Card - Retail
$115.00 . . . . . . not sure if the $40 MIR is still available

edit: looks like the MIR expired - yesterday . . . $75 was a good deal - especially if it could be UNlocked. . . . there are others listed in Hot Deals {$95, no rebates, i think]

and FORGET ABOUT sm3.0 . . . at least until you upgrade to PCIe . . . no older card is able to "use" it - practically.

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: hans030390

Originally posted by: Sc4freak

Originally posted by: iu2687
sorry about what i said about ati. i read somewhere that ati cards have trouble supporting games with open gl like doom3. they perform well with half life 2 but their fps takes a nose dive on doom 3. geforce cards tend to be more steady on more games. i never ran any benchmarks myself but this is just what i've heard. not completely sure if it's true

Well, let me tell you now... it isn't. It may have been true back in the days of the 8500, any maybe even up to the X series, but not now. Nvidia may still have a slight performance advantage in OpenGL games, but the very vast majority of games are DirectX anyway.

Also, Dug777 is probably one of the most qualified to tell you: Nvidia's image quality is nohere near as good as ATI's. Check out the 22-page thread on Nvidia's blocky shadows in FarCry. And most hardware sites do agree that overall ATI's image quality is better, especially AF. (Nvidia's AA up to 4xAA is the same as ATI's, but their 8x and 16x modes are unmatched).

If you don't use AA/AF, Nvidia and ATI have nearly identical IQ. I've seen systems use both cards and noticed no difference. With AA/AF (Which I find pointless to use considering the performance hit...and I never notice jaggies or anything) I would agree that ATI may be a better choice then.

The Far Cry issue never happened to me. Neither did that shimmering thing. I think this whole ATI>Nvidia is some mental thing that people have, unless you want to get into AA/AF.

Don't base your card purchase off of advice about ATI>Nvidia in IQ.

It happened/is happening to EVERYONE with a nvidia card

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: iu2687

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i intend to a complete upgrade once dx10 and vista are out and stable

If that is the case, then you probably don't need a video card that can handle UT2K7 or Crysis right now... No one really knows for sure what both of those titles will need, but from reading about Crysis it looks like it will be pretty steep, and none of the cards you listed will most likely do those games justice. If you are planning on doing a major upgrade, I would honestly wait to pick up those games until that time, since your experience will be much better. I made the mistake of playing Farcry on an FX 5900, and then picking up a 6800GT. I wish I had just waited to play it on the 6800GT...

 

[schneiderguy]

Originally posted by: Aflac
Besides, ATi has the advantage when it comes to the Source engine, so it's a wash either way.

o rly

the 7800gtx has a 20% performance advantage over the x1800xt at 2048*1536, not exactly what i would call a win for the ATI card

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: schneiderguy

Originally posted by: Aflac
Besides, ATi has the advantage when it comes to the Source engine, so it's a wash either way.

o rly

the 7800gtx has a 20% performance advantage over the x1800xt at 2048*1536, not exactly what i would call a win for the ATI card

Of course you have to classify them in their catagories. The X1800xt is not a competitior to the 7800gtx. The X1800XTX is and even then its still a slower card. Also, the architecture of the x1800xt is designed and optomized fro 1600x1200 while the 7800gtx was desgned from scratch to be optomized for 2048x1536.

besides the results od benchmarks are like dyno numbers. They are onyl good for that paricualr hardware setup with the exact software and hardware specs in the exact same situation. Results vary incredibly across reviews under differing conditions.

http://www.cooltechzone.com/Reviews/Vid...ormance_Crown_Fiercely_200602222194/6/

The X1800xt scores 100fps at 20x15 no aa in hl2
7800gtx512 scores 101fps at 20x15 no aa in hl2
x1900xtx scores 109fps at 20x15 in hl2.
No HDR helps put up higher numbers.

Also show benchs of the x1900xtx v.s. a 7900gtx and the dod source numbers correlate better with the x1900. the X1800 was a rush job and thus creates ths abnormality in the numbers. THe x1900 released a few months later was what the x1800 should have been.

As for ATRI drivers, the stock ati drivers imho suck. A lot. My pc startup time is tripled with CCC. When control panel was available, it was 200% better. Now your best bet is to use Omega or NGO drivers. better quality, better speed, better customization(comes with ATI tray Tools). Why not use them? No stability issues ever.

As for all you people screaminhg get a new motherboard every agp thread, will you PLEASE SHUT UP?! How many people that have a life and a job have 40 hours to backup all data, replace a motherboard, reinstall windows and all programs/games originally on the pc? I have 60 games and 280gb of data, maybe I should pay $100 for a motherboard, $200 for a graphics card and $300 for a backup harddrive? How bout the small programs and things I may not find anymore? What about my custome theme that took hours to find the parts online, is 1 off and custom built by me?

How bout all the time I spent tweaking my windows and programs how bout all the time spent with my firefox bookmarks and plugins and all the other crap after an windows reinstall or repair? The man asks a question, answer the question instead of shoving PCI-e into every goddamn thread.

 

[aka1nas]

I would say go for a 7600GS or bite the bullet and get a PCI-E mobo. The 7800GS is so overpriced that you could get a 7900GT and a motherboard for it for the same price.

 

[xtreme26]

I say get the 7600gs if you can handle playing on low-med settings I think. If I were you, I'd get the 7600 gs and upgrade the comp as vista comes out, just as you planned.

 

[BW86]

Don't stay with AGP -- you will regret it

 

[schneiderguy]

Originally posted by: mwmorph
The X1800xt is not a competitior to the 7800gtx.

yes it is

Originally posted by: mwmorph

The X1800XTX is and even then its still a slower card.

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Also, the architecture of the x1800xt is designed and optomized fro 1600x1200 while the 7800gtx was desgned from scratch to be optomized for 2048x1536.

 

[1EZduzit]

Do what I did, I picked up a good used 6800GT for $150 to tide me over until my next system upgrade.

 

[xtreme26]

Originally posted by: BW86
Don't stay with AGP -- you will regret it

He's planning to upgrade soon anyways. Keep agp for now and upgrade later :thumbsup:

 

[hkklife]

One of those refurb X800XL ATI cards might be a good investment. I wouldn't spend a penny over $130 on an AGP card nowadays and only then if I had a solid CPU and 2gb+ backing it up.

The X800XL has the same featureset as the X850 Pro but has 16 pipes and is usually available cheaper..it's just not as overclockable and it is a physically larger card. The X800XL is faster than the 800 Pro & 850 Pro and not too terribly far behind the X800 & X850 XT.

 

[ShadowOfMyself]

Originally posted by: schneiderguy

Originally posted by: mwmorph
The X1800xt is not a competitior to the 7800gtx.

yes it is

Originally posted by: mwmorph

The X1800XTX is and even then its still a slower card.

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Also, the architecture of the x1800xt is designed and optomized fro 1600x1200 while the 7800gtx was desgned from scratch to be optomized for 2048x1536.

WTF

Still, the x1800xt kicks the crap out of any 7800gtx, as long as its not the 512 version, but those benchs were from 7th october so no wonder it performed awfully..