Need Advise: P4 vs XP+

[CrawlingEye]

Originally posted by: gunf1ghter
What I am saying is that the difference between your CPU running 45C at full load and 55C at full load is absolutely negligible.

Agreed, but having it run at 45c full load will let you raise your vcore, which'll allow you to bump up your fsb, in ideal situations.

 

[gunf1ghter]

Bumping up your FSB is fine, accept that in many cases you end up running the PCI/AGP clocks out of spec until you can get to very specific FSB frequencies (133, 155mhz, etc). Although you might like running your PCI/AGP devices out of spec just fine, many folks have components that will not run properly at weird bizarre frequencies.

 

[steell]

A real simple answer to your question.
My 1.6a @ 2.4 running SETI (100% load) ambient temp 90 F, cpu diode temp 53 c , stock hsf.

My XP1800+ @ 1733 running SETI (100% load) ambient temp 90 F, thermister temp 45 c , (Watercooled)

And I am really concerned about heat output, as I am in a non air conditioned room !!!

 

[pvhk]

can you tell me the reference of your 1.6A that can't sustain @2.133, is it a malay or a costa rica and what is the packdate because i intend to buy an 1.6A with a p4b533

 

[CrawlingEye]

Originally posted by: gunf1ghter
Bumping up your FSB is fine, accept that in many cases you end up running the PCI/AGP clocks out of spec until you can get to very specific FSB frequencies (133, 155mhz, etc). Although you might like running your PCI/AGP devices out of spec just fine, many folks have components that will not run properly at weird bizarre frequencies.

I don't really see my components as "lucky" or anything. The 40mhz PCI is fine. Even when I had my voodoo 3 3000 PCI in here, it ran fine. You really shouldn't talk about things you're not aware of it, it turns comical.

I just retested, and I can hit 125fsb perfectly fine, which puts me at something like 41mhz PCI.

 

[oldfart]

40 MHz PCI is about the limit. I ran my last system (815E PIII-S) that way. The only problem I had was my Netgear nic would not work above 38 MHz PCI. I changed it out for a Linksys to fix that problem. I still never felt really comfortable running so far out of spec. I dont like to go above 37 - 38 MHz. I was very happy to see the 845 and 850 boards with the lock feature. This makes FSB overclocking so much easier now. It is a great feature, No one can argue that.

 

[CrawlingEye]

Actually running at faster bus speeds gives you faster performance. Perhaps not VERY marginal, but it is a difference.
I'm waiting for SiS to release a chip with the agp/pci lock, then I'll probably upgrade my mobo.

 

[gunf1ghter]

I don't really see my components as "lucky" or anything. The 40mhz PCI is fine. Even when I had my voodoo 3 3000 PCI in here, it ran fine. You really shouldn't talk about things you're not aware of it, it turns comical.

Wow, your a pretty funny fellow. For your information I have been overclocking since I was running my Pentium classic 200mhz chip at 75mhz FSB for 225mhz. I am a communications engineer and have years of experience with PC's including building, testing and debugging dozens of computers, including large servers.

If you don't think that there are cards not able to run at the 40mhz PCI clock I would recommend you go do a deja search, there are many components, especially sound cards and NICS (and sometimes the USB controllers too) that will not run properly at non standard PCI clock speeds.

You are far too much of a smart ass for a guy who obviously does not know what he's talking about.

 

[CrawlingEye]

Classic, show your credits when you run out of things to say!

What sound card is that? Give me a name of one recent sound card.
Along with following overclocking and 3dmark performance, I also follow sound cards and many other things relating to it (power amps, preamps, speakers, etc).

I'd like to hear this.
I used a 3com etherport card before this, but we changed our network over to using linksys cards due to cheaper price and easier to use software, so I changed.

An Audigy or TBSC certainly runs at higher bus speeds. Audigy even higher than the TBSC since it has low cpu utilization.

Maybe you're going to tell me how you were born from a house in a small town, shat from your mother's rear into a garbage pale face first, so I should believe that you're right.

You're far too witty.

 

[gunf1ghter]

Since you obviously can't have an intelligent discussion about this without resorting to cheap name calling I will not continue the conversation.

 

[Jwyatt]

This thread is indeed comical!

My opinion!
XP 1700 wouldnt OC worth a sh|t on my msi k7t266ru board. 142fsb is all it would go. Even after unlocking the cpu it wouldnt go much higher.
P4 1.6a@2.8Ghz is great on paper an in signitures, but in real life performance is about the same as the 1700XP with little OC. The p4 is still here though becuase I like big numbers