Need Advise: P4 vs XP+

[Olias]

P4 Combo
- ASUS P4S533 SiS 645DX, DDR333, 533MHz FSB
- Pentium 4 1.6A GHz 478-pin

<or>

XP Combo
- ASUS A7V333 VIA KT333, DDR333
- Athlon XP 1900+

I'm looking for PRO's and CON's of going either way.

Thanks, Oli

 

[CrawlingEye]

Get the 1.6a with the P4S533, great combo.

I don't see many cons about the 1.6a, although I'm biased.


I'll state what I see:

1.6a Pros:
.13 micron core
Heat is minimal
Able to be OC'd with stock cooling
OC's are on average 2.4ghz*

1.6a Cons:
Can't be unlocked

You can just reverse things for the pros/cons of the AXP+, with the exception of what has astericks on it.

Edit: made things more specific

 

[zxcv]

I second the P4 route. If you're gonna overclcock then P4 without a doubt.

 

[gunf1ghter]

Just don't count on the P4 being a guarenteed overclock. There's a real possibility (even if only 20%) that the core of that CPU simply won't overclock.

Out of the 4 1.6a's I have built I had one with a poorly performing CPU.

Don't let anyone convince you that the 1.6a-->2.13ghz is a sure thing, cuz it's not.

 

[Olias]

CrawlingEye:

Heat is minimal

Thanks for feedback but can I ask what your temps are with that Sunflower cooler and does the ASUS P4S533 read the internal diode?

Also from what I understand the 1.6A @ 2.13GHz is around the same performance as the XP1900+ at stock speeds. The tbred should give a new twist to this comparison.

Oli

 

[Vette73]

Sorry but AMD all the way. If you have to go Intel, get a board that has the VIA P4X333 chipset.

But Athlon XP is best bang for your buck.

 

[gunf1ghter]

If you get an Intel get a SIS or Intel chipset. VIA is suck.

 

[JackBurton]

If you get an Intel get a SIS or Intel chipset. VIA is suck.

I second that.

 

[Vette73]

The why is it that anandtech and tomshardware and some others rated it THE FASTEST INTEL DDR CHIPSET???

 

[gunf1ghter]

Speed is nothing without stability. I get excellent memory performance with my i845 Intel chipset and it's an absolute rock.

 

[Olias]

Thanks guys but can I ask what your temps are and does the P4S533 read the internal diode?

 

[oldfart]

1.6a Cons:
Can't be unlocked

Who needs to unlock it? Just get a good Intel 845x based board and overclock to whatever you can. The good 845x boards lock the PCI/AGP @ 33/66. No unlocking needed for a good stable overclock.

Sorry but AMD all the way. If you have to go Intel, get a board that has the VIA P4X333 chipset.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA......yeah right.

:disgust:

 

[CrazySaint]

If you aren't gonna overclock, definitely go with a Athlon XP, if you ARE gonna overclock, its a dead heat probably giving the 1.6A a slight advantage.

 

[ShinSa]

Originally posted by: Olias
CrawlingEye:

Heat is minimal

Thanks for feedback but can I ask what your temps are with that Sunflower cooler and does the ASUS P4S533 read the internal diode?

Also from what I understand the 1.6A @ 2.13GHz is around the same performance as the XP1900+ at stock speeds. The tbred should give a new twist to this comparison.

Oli

I really dont understand why people compare overclocked Intels to a non-overclocked AMD. Did they just forget that AMD chips can overclock too??? I bet that Xp1900+ still has room for 145Mhz overclock easily which will be just as stable as the Intel 1.6A @ 2.2 and give you a better bang for the buck.

Dont forget. AMD can overclock!!

 

[CrawlingEye]

Originally posted by: oldfart

1.6a Cons:
Can't be unlocked

Who needs to unlock it? Just get a good Intel 845x based board and overclock to whatever you can. The good 845x boards lock the PCI/AGP @ 33/66. No unlocking needed for a good stable overclock.

I'm aware of this. It's the only con that can be pointed out though.
I personally don't even care for the AGP/PCI lock. I'd rather have my bus speeds running quick, so goes why I choose
SiS for a chipset.

 

[sonoran]

Originally posted by: Olias
P4 Combo
- ASUS P4S533 SiS 645DX, DDR333, 533MHz FSB
- Pentium 4 1.6A GHz 478-pin

<or>

XP Combo
- ASUS A7V333 VIA KT333, DDR333
- Athlon XP 1900+

I'm looking for PRO's and CON's of going either way.

Thanks, Oli

One pro no one else mentioned for Intel - you can do the 1.6A on the cheap now. And someday when 3GHz (or faster) P4's have dropped in price, you'll be able to swap your 1.6A for one of those, for a handy doubling of CPU speed.

 

[gunf1ghter]

I'm aware of this. It's the only con that can be pointed out though.
I personally don't even care for the AGP/PCI lock. I'd rather have my bus speeds running quick, so goes why I choose
SiS for a chipset.

Uhmmm..... many, many, MANY PCI or AGP cards will not run very far out of their 33/66mhz specification. Good luck to ya though.

 

[CrawlingEye]

Originally posted by: gunf1ghter

I'm aware of this. It's the only con that can be pointed out though.
I personally don't even care for the AGP/PCI lock. I'd rather have my bus speeds running quick, so goes why I choose
SiS for a chipset.

Uhmmm..... many, many, MANY PCI or AGP cards will not run very far out of their 33/66mhz specification. Good luck to ya though.

Ummm, many many many PCI or AGP cards will.

I can hit 40mhz PCI and have 100% stability.
I'm at 39mhz right now simply because my RAM can't handle anything higher than 382mhz.

 

[Olias]

I'm interested in the P4-1.6A because I was hoping that it would run cool ...like <40C under load. Some helpful chap said that "Heat is minimal" but what the heck does that mean???

Let?s not get this thread locked because they are both good solutions for this speed hungry market and the competition keeps the prices sweet. Now, can someone tell me what there temps are and is this with the internal diode?

 

[CrawlingEye]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
The why is it that anandtech and tomshardware and some others rated it THE FASTEST INTEL DDR CHIPSET???

Um, not really. Recheck that. The SiS 645DX is rated the fasted DDR chipset on Tom's, kiddo.

 

[gunf1ghter]

Originally posted by: Olias
I'm interested in the P4-1.6A because I was hoping that it would run cool ...like <40C under load. Some helpful chap said that "Heat is minimal" but what the heck does that mean???

Let?s not get this thread locked because they are both good solutions for this speed hungry market and the competition keeps the prices sweet. Now, can someone tell me what there temps are and is this with the internal diode?

I really don't understand this big hangup that people have on how hot their processor runs. The Intel P4 has a maximum temp load of 70 degrees centigrade.... my P4 2.2a runs 38C at idle and about 48C under full load.

Would I care if it ran at 60C? Hell no! As long as it is stable who the fvck cares!!!!???

 

[CrawlingEye]

Originally posted by: gunf1ghter

Originally posted by: Olias
I'm interested in the P4-1.6A because I was hoping that it would run cool ...like <40C under load. Some helpful chap said that "Heat is minimal" but what the heck does that mean???

Let?s not get this thread locked because they are both good solutions for this speed hungry market and the competition keeps the prices sweet. Now, can someone tell me what there temps are and is this with the internal diode?

I really don't understand this big hangup that people have on how hot their processor runs. The Intel P4 has a maximum temp load of 70 degrees centigrade.... my P4 2.2a runs 38C at idle and about 48C under full load.

Would I care if it ran at 60C? Hell no! As long as it is stable who the fvck cares!!!!???

You should care though.
Lower temps = more OCing crediblity.

 

[gunf1ghter]

lower temps equals more credibility?

Maybe you would care to qualify that statement. Intel and AMD have both shown off ridiculously overclocked versions of their processors at Comdex that run extremely HOT and require excessive cooling methods.

All that lower temps mean is that your chip might last for 8 years instead of 5 years. Anything else is pure bragging rights. I don't build computers for bragging rights.

 

[CrawlingEye]

Originally posted by: gunf1ghter
lower temps equals more credibility?

Maybe you would care to qualify that statement. Intel and AMD have both shown off ridiculously overclocked versions of their processors at Comdex that run extremely HOT and require excessive cooling methods.

All that lower temps mean is that your chip might last for 8 years instead of 5 years. Anything else is pure bragging rights. I don't build computers for bragging rights.

Are you aware that the P4 northwood cores throttle back at aprox. 65c?

Just so you know, if you lower your temps you can up your vcore more and in upping your vcore raise your fsb, so forth giving you a higher fsb.

 

[gunf1ghter]

What I am saying is that the difference between your CPU running 45C at full load and 55C at full load is absolutely negligible.