need advice...

[enexis]

hi:
i m trying to figure out wich system i should pick....and i m gettin really confused.
its single purpose its for intensive work in apps like cad and max...i m having problems to choose between amd or intel...and i can t figure out wich graphic card should i go for... at the office i m on a XW6200 workstation single P4 3.0 1Gig with a nvidia quadroFX 1300...it s awesome!...but of course im on a tight budget...so wich system is the bang for the buck?wich configurations either on cpu s and graphics should i look for?

thanx!

 

[Fern]

Hi enexis and Welcome to the Forums!

Sorry, I don't do CAD, so can't help. But here's a free bump for you.

Fern

 

[Azndude51]

whats your budget?

 

[w00t]

Originally posted by: Fern
Hi enexis and Welcome to the Forums!

Sorry, I don't do CAD, so can't help. But here's a free bump for you.

Fern

welcome to the forums.

i dont do cad either. and here is bump for you, couldnt of said it any better fern.

 

[DaveSimmons]

The "Guides" tab at the top of the page lists a gaming system guide that has a complete parts list except for you needing to change the graphics card (good gaming cards are not great for CAD). Shop newegg.com to check the prices on Quadro cards, and pick one that fits your budget.

An Athlon A64 2800+ system is about $60 cheaper than a P4 2.8E system, and should offer very good performance even if it might score less on some CAD benchmark (I have no idea).

 

[w00t]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
The "Guides" tab at the top of the page lists a gaming system guide that has a complete parts list except for you needing to change the graphics card (good gaming cards are not great for CAD). Shop newegg.com to check the prices on Quadro cards, and pick one that fits your budget.

An Athlon A64 2800+ system is about $60 cheaper than a P4 2.8E system, and should offer very good performance even if it might score less on some CAD benchmark (I have no idea).

listen to this guy he is a lifer hes crazy man " i like you man but your crazy"

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
The "Guides" tab at the top of the page lists a gaming system guide that has a complete parts list except for you needing to change the graphics card (good gaming cards are not great for CAD). Shop newegg.com to check the prices on Quadro cards, and pick one that fits your budget.

An Athlon A64 2800+ system is about $60 cheaper than a P4 2.8E system, and should offer very good performance even if it might score less on some CAD benchmark (I have no idea).

The A64 will do better than the Prescotts in CAD IIRC. Also you should just follow a run of the mill system. Get like a 3200+ Winchester Core, i decent M/B Gig of RAM and the Quadro card and it will be fine. Anything more than that you are just wasting money as the next REAL step up (Talking like leap, not just going to the FX55 or something) would be server farms and what not.

-Kevin

 

[Duvie]

Actually coming from someone like me who runs CAD apps I can say the HT is really nice IN AutoCad 2004 as well as ADT2004 where multi-threaded is an option in rendering. On my system with multi-threaded checked I completed a rendering of a walk through 22% faster. Hopefully by this weekend I can tell you how comparable that is to a A64 sckt 939 (dual channel) at 2.4 to 2.6ghz. Generally this is in an area where Intel leads still. If you can get a 2.8c and a good board I bet you can get this up to 3.2-3.5ghz for added punch. Then save the money towards a good vid card.

I have a 5800u soft modded to a quadro fx2500 levels. It would crunch that system you have at work and it cost me 180 bucks for the card. How do I know cause my spec score 7.1 and 8.0 are some of the highest listed over at guru3d.com and are highr then listed at specs own page for FX3000 systems....

Spec 8 results

can't find the link anymore on the spec website for 7.1.1 but only FX4000 machines beat the one I have

Spec 8.0 ran at 3.4ghz default vcore:

Run All Summary

---------- SUM_RESULTS\3DSMAX\SUMMARY.TXT
3dsmax-03 Weighted Geometric Mean = 21.19

---------- SUM_RESULTS\CATIA\SUMMARY.TXT
catia-01 Weighted Geometric Mean = 17.15

---------- SUM_RESULTS\ENSIGHT\SUMMARY.TXT
ensight-01 Weighted Geometric Mean = 9.553

---------- SUM_RESULTS\LIGHT\SUMMARY.TXT
light-07 Weighted Geometric Mean = 7.543

---------- SUM_RESULTS\MAYA\SUMMARY.TXT
maya-01 Weighted Geometric Mean = 29.06

---------- SUM_RESULTS\PROE\SUMMARY.TXT
proe-03 Weighted Geometric Mean = 28.05

---------- SUM_RESULTS\SW\SUMMARY.TXT
sw-01 Weighted Geometric Mean = 12.20

---------- SUM_RESULTS\UGS\SUMMARY.TXT
ugs-04 Weighted Geometric Mean = 20.20


Check this vesus your work FX1300 card at a fraction of the cost.


here is my spec 7.1 scores at 3.5ghz

Run All Summary

---------- SUM_RESULTS\3DSMAX\SUMMARY.TXT
3dsmax-02 Weighted Geometric Mean = 31.12

---------- SUM_RESULTS\DRV\SUMMARY.TXT
drv-09 Weighted Geometric Mean = 176.1

---------- SUM_RESULTS\DX\SUMMARY.TXT
dx-08 Weighted Geometric Mean = 158.3

---------- SUM_RESULTS\LIGHT\SUMMARY.TXT
light-06 Weighted Geometric Mean = 36.27

---------- SUM_RESULTS\PROE\SUMMARY.TXT
proe-02 Weighted Geometric Mean = 48.78

---------- SUM_RESULTS\UGS\SUMMARY.TXT
ugs-03 Weighted Geometric Mean = 52.04


Here they are agin with 5800U drivers and no quadrofx mod


Run All Summary

---------- SUM_RESULTS\3DSMAX\SUMMARY.TXT
3dsmax-02 Weighted Geometric Mean = 17.06

---------- SUM_RESULTS\DRV\SUMMARY.TXT
drv-09 Weighted Geometric Mean = 69.06

---------- SUM_RESULTS\DX\SUMMARY.TXT
dx-08 Weighted Geometric Mean = 50.42

---------- SUM_RESULTS\LIGHT\SUMMARY.TXT
light-06 Weighted Geometric Mean = 14.55

---------- SUM_RESULTS\PROE\SUMMARY.TXT
proe-02 Weighted Geometric Mean = 18.47

---------- SUM_RESULTS\UGS\SUMMARY.TXT
ugs-03 Weighted Geometric Mean = 9.967


It may be a screamin cheap option. Only problem is you would sacrifice 3d options as the last driver set able to be quadro hacked is the 45.32 drivers. I have no issues playing games but it still worth mentioning.

Through in 1gb of 3200..use 5:4 ration and run at 250fsb a 200for memory x2 for 400ddr....

 

[Gamingphreek]

Too bad it also voids your warranty :roll:

I retract my previous statement as i forgot that the apps were multi threaded. 2 CPUS would really give a hige benefit. I would still recommend AMD as they run much cooler, and use less power and henceforth are quieter as a result). If you dont really mind all that though and wont be gaming or anything else than Intel will be your best bet.

-Kevin

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Too bad it also voids your warranty :roll:

I retract my previous statement as i forgot that the apps were multi threaded. 2 CPUS would really give a hige benefit. I would still recommend AMD as they run much cooler, and use less power and henceforth are quieter as a result). If you dont really mind all that though and wont be gaming or anything else than Intel will be your best bet.

-Kevin

Except this is all a softmod...No flashing of bios, just a hack trick to turn on the features that are present in all of nvidias gpu. they don't have a separate gpu for CAD class and gaming. It is there just needs to thinkit is one...

Think of the savings if he gets it to work liek me and about 3 other ppl I have helped to do it...

Again no hardmods, no lasting effect and does absolutey no damage. Pull it out and put in buddies machine and it is a 5800u again.....

More CAD apps are multi-threaded then most areas of computer work. I think a HT P4 is the best option this side of a single processor....Go dual and that maybe another story but that can becomoe expensive and then one needs to test the effect 2 xeons with HT for effectively 4 virtual cpus would have...

System is quiiet as you make it. Just dont' take the 2.8c to 3.5...It will do 3.2 most likely with stock fan. Its the prescotts that are hot and anything bleow 3.4ghz doesn't stack up to clock to clock northwood comparison.s. I havent' heard of any SSE3 implementation in any of the CAD apps so I don't see the prescott gaining much and L2 cache seems to not have any effect .


Edit: Please comment on what you know. This uses Rivatuner which a lot of vid card users use to oc, tweak, etc.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Yes, no hardmod but it still runs out of spec thereby voiding the warranty.

What does it matter what i know? What do you want me to blurt out? Everything i know about video cards or something? I know what Riva Tuner is but still it Voids the Warranty no matter how many people do it.

-Kevin

 

[Duvie]

How does it void your warranty. They don't know you ran it like this and in no way does it harm the gpu. So what is your point??? Quit being a do-gooder. Anandtech and reputable sites talk about and oc in their reviews...That void the warranty right? Abit and Asus put tons of features to oc your cpu and system. If you do it does it void the warranty??? Those are all things that put strain on the parts yet this does not, unless you consider actually using the native features as stressful.

OK your comment is taken and he can decide if he is a REBEL enough to do it and save a bunch of cash.

Edit: took out a comment...All in fun...

 

[Gamingphreek]

*sigh* This brings up that whole big flamefest on morals and crap like that. They dont knowyou ran it out of spec but the fact is that you did do it. They provide you with the means to OC but they do say that it still voids the warranty.

Im not saying im against OCing by any means but some people like to know this before they go messing around with their HW like that.

-Kevin

 

[DaveSimmons]

Actually coming from someone like me who runs CAD apps I can say the HT is really nice IN AutoCad 2004 as well as ADT2004 where multi-threaded is an option in rendering. On my system with multi-threaded checked I completed a rendering of a walk through 22% faster. Hopefully by this weekend I can tell you how comparable that is to a A64 sckt 939 (dual channel) at 2.4 to 2.6ghz. Generally this is in an area where Intel leads still. If you can get a 2.8c and a good board I bet you can get this up to 3.2-3.5ghz for added punch. Then save the money towards a good vid card.

Northwood chips are now very expensive compared to Prescott and A64.

$127 + $73, A64 2800+ plus good Chaintech nf3 motherboard (A64 3000+ is $149)
$159 + $99 P4 2.8E prescott plus good Gigabyte socket775 motherboard
$196 + $89 P4 2.6C northwood plus intel or Asus i865 motherboard

The P4's might be better for AutoCAD, but are they $60 better for someone on a tight budget?

 

[enexis]

hi:
thanks everibody for ur comments....
didn t check the thread for one day...and now i had a lot of readin to cath up....ufff
sweet!

ok...
i know intel might be a step forward in cad and 3d apps...i m not realy concerned about the cad stuff....but the 3d is my major interest! and my point is (thanku DaveSimmons) if the extra buck is really worth it...
i m now leaning over AMD...i ve been reading a lot...i think i would try a A64 3200 or 3400 (winchester) with a pumped mobo, 1 or 2 Gig ram and probably a quadro....not sure dough...as i ve been told tha the $ might not be worth it...
i WAs thinkin on goin dual...but i gave up....i don t think its worth it and i rather save now an buil a render farm in a short time....(?)

another thing on my mind is the GPU concerning renderin task....im really confused here...i check out the gelato app from nvidia but i couldn t get it clearer ...is the graphic card used in rendering? can it be? how?

again thanks every body!

 

[enexis]

#1
.AMD ATHLON 64 3000+ / 3200+ SKT 939
.MSI K8N NEO 2 PLATINUM NFORCE3 ULTRA
.NVIDIA QUADRO FX 500
.2x512 Mb CORSAIR RAM
.MAXTOR 80Gig 7200Rpm


#2
.INTEL PENTIUM4 3.2
.ASUS P5P800 / ASUS P5GD2 DELUXE
.NVIDIA QUADRO FX 500
.2x512 Mb CORSAIR RAM
.MAXTOR 80Gig 7200Rpm


#3
.1x AMD OPTERON 142 (?) / 2x AMD ATHLON 2800+
.MSI K8T MASTER2-FAR (2x PROC.)
.NVIDIA QUADRO FX 500
.2x512 Mb CORSAIR RAM
.MAXTOR 80Gig 7200Rpm



?

 

[bfonnes]

Except this is all a softmod...No flashing of bios, just a hack trick to turn on the features that are present in all of nvidias gpu. they don't have a separate gpu for CAD class and gaming. It is there just needs to thinkit is one...

You dare question an ElitE member!!! You are only Platinum gamingphreek, and you dont even spell your name right

BFonnes