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fireontheway

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4 or 5 case fanse mean nothing but noise,a big 120mm intake and a 120mm exhaust will cool your pc with less noise.Yes the cooler is still needed if the system will be air-cooled.
 
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bupkus

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OP, please excuse me for piping in but I have to take issue with such expensive cases.

I've built quite a few and although the kool factor is nice, I see it as a choice between cooling for an overclocker and quiet for your sanity. May I ask your priorities?

Often, if a builder is going for flash then cooling and quiet not to mention price take a beating.

I personally wouldn't buy Thermaltake. I think they make gaudy, overpriced products with less then excellent cooling.

I've been checking out Inwin lately for a childcare center. They need to be tough more than quiet. If you'd like to spend more of that money on a better video card than check this out. True, it's a microATX case, but there's more at ATX form format.
Ok, then, how about this?
 
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dl5175

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I really do not want to pay that much for a case but with this being my first build I thought it would be easier. The only flash I want is a window.
How about this
 
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bupkus

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Originally posted by: dl5175
I really do not want to pay that much for a case but with this being my first build I thought it would be easier. The only flash I want is a window.
How about this
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BTW, you didn't say what cpu you'd planned and whether or not you were going to overclock. That is vital, really, to answer your question about case selection. Also, are you a gamer?

Thank you for asking my opinion. The first thing I look for these days is the size of the exhaust fans. If they're only 80mm then I assume they are older cases whose designers had yet responded to the tidal shift amongst overclockers and other enthusiasts to a reasonably quiet computer. I believe that shift is apparent in the Mac Mini which has responded to the public's taste for a smaller and quieter pc. SFF (small form factor) cases and their rise in popularity is another indicator.
The fact is, you probably will be using this computer for a couple years so eventually the form will lose importance to function.

Let me first throw this in; I apologize if I'm pushing my ideas on you but I have a couple builds I did that I regret. One was an ATX box that had a rear panel with openings for 2 exhaust fans, a side panel window with a metal spiderman-like pattern and another fan, a top panel with another window, a metal spiderman-like pattern and yet another fan. On the cpu was a heat-sink with a 5th fan, all were 80mm and all got blue or red lighted fans.
It was and is incredibly colorful and incredibly loud. The boy who it was built for still likes it, but never really cared that much for the lights. I think he liked the metal spiderman cut-outs though.

The case you showed me above has places for 4 cooling fans. All appear to be 80mm with vented covers that look very inefficient (small holes for air to pass through). You will get all the noise without the air flow. I used a very similar box for a relative with a P4 2.4GHz 800 fsb and it's ok, but he's not using a P4 with a Prescott (heater) core either. His case was a black all aluminum Cooler Master. It was a work of art with fine precision fits and beautiful finish. But, it sucked for overclocking. These cases seemed designed for a previous generation of processors that all ran with lower wattages and therefore generated less heat.

Can you find a windowed case with an opening in the back for a fan at least 92mm in size? To stay one step ahead of the curve look for cases with 120mm fans. With fan controllers you can lower these to near quiet speeds and still move enough air to keep things cool. The fans which come with cases are often inferior and will incur additional replacement costs for the better ones.
 
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bupkus

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dl5175,
Dude, I am sorry. I just assumed those Thermaltake cases had poor cooling. That's just how I remember them to be. I'm looking at the specs now on the Kandalf and it does infact have some big @ss fans. Althought the price is how shall I say... WHAT?!! Do you think your rich dad would adopt me? I'm an orphan.
 
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fireontheway

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Originally posted by: bupkus
OP, please excuse me for piping in but I have to take issue with such expensive cases.

I've built quite a few and although the kool factor is nice, I see it as a choice between cooling for an overclocker and quiet for your sanity. May I ask your priorities?

Often, if a builder is going for flash then cooling and quiet not to mention price take a beating.

I personally wouldn't buy Thermalright. I think they make gaudy, overpriced products with less then excellent cooling.

I've been checking out Inwin lately for a childcare center. They need to be tough more than quiet. If you'd like to spend more of that money on a better video card than check this out. True, it's a microATX case, but there's more at ATX form format.
Ok, then, how about this?
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I'm assuming you meant Thermaltake :D
 
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dl5175

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First of all I appreciate your response and honesty. I am putting together a system starting with A64 3000+ but ready for the dual cores in july. My gaming consists of mostly sports games (Madden, Mvp), and I was considering ocing the 3000+ just so I understand the process.
Multitasking will be my main thing (watching, streaming video sports while playing games). The new Antecs sounds nice especially with the 500w 2.0 psu. I wonder when we will see most of them.
Thermaltake VA4000 Series SViking VA4000BWS

Is what my almost last final choice is so I feel better that someone suggested it. My only concern is it being my first build was wondering if I needed a bigger full tower case with good cooling to make it easier to install and connect stuff.
 
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slsmnaz

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Originally posted by: dl5175
I really do not want to pay that much for a case but with this being my first build I thought it would be easier. The only flash I want is a window.
How about this
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Well, I used that case for my first build a couple weeks ago and it keeps everything really cool. Also, w/ the removable mobo tray and HDD rack it was easy to work with. I did put an XP-90 on the CPU but everything else is stock. Max load temp has been 48C while gaming w/ prime95 in background. I'm not the most comp saavy person, but that case was a great choice.
 
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charlietee

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I think you will find THIS Lian-Li PC-7B Plus a killer case...Front and back 120m/m fans...80m/m blow hole (fan not included)...Window...Aluminum construction...Build quality second to none in the industry...This is a really bad ass case especially for 110 duckies.

It think it is a much better choice than the one from newegg that you linked to...Lian-Li cases are the best...In my humble opinion of course...I think for high end cases the PC-7B Plus are a bargin...Really good bang for the buck.



 
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bupkus

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Nice looking case that Lian Li PC-7B Plus is. Note both cases come without a PSU so you are paying more than for a new Antec 2005 (yet to be seen) case that almost always comes with a very good PSU. If you're waiting for the dual core, then buy the case then. If not I think you've had some very good suggestions any of which would please.
Good luck.

Edit: I'm going to buy one of those Inwin cases for the childcare and I expect excellent value although it doesn't have much in the way of eye candy. I may comment about it in this thread afterwards.
 
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