Need Advice On a Few Power Supplys

[cragfin]

Hi, I am trying to find out infomation on power supplys for a friend, can you please tell which is the best of these, also if you know one that does not go over 84.99 & is better then please let me know, I am still a noob when it comes to power supplys so I can't help him:

Sunbeam PSU-HUSH680-US-BL 680W ATX 12V 2.0 Power Supply 115/ 230 V

RAIDMAX AURORA 2 RX-600F 600W ATX12V V2.2 / EPS12V LED Power Supply

Rosewill RP600V2-S-SL-S ATX12V v2.01 600W Power Supply 115/230 V CSA, UL, TUV, FCC

Rosewill Stallion Series Dual Ball Bearing Fan RD600N-2DC-SL-SLV ATX V2.2/SSI, EPS 12V 600W Active PFC Power Supply

Rosewill RP600V2-S-SL 600W SLI Ready-ATX12V V2.01 Power Supply 115/230 V CSA,UL,TUV,FCC

Rosewill Stallion Series Dual Ball Bearing Fan RD600N-2DB-SL-BK ATX V2.2/SSI, EPS 12V 600W

OCZ StealthXStream OCZ600SXS 600W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply 100

Rosewill RX630-S-B 630W SLI Ready,APFC,ATX12V v2.2/EPS12V v2.91 Power Supply

The Power Supply Will Be For This Hardware Config:

G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-6400CL5D-2GBNQ

E7200 Wolfdale 2.53GHz 3MB L2 Cache 45 nm LGA 775 Processors

GIGABYTE GA-EP35-DS3L LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Motherboards

XFX PVT88PYSF4 GeForece 8800GT 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP

Pioneer DVR 20X DVD Burner

7200.10 250GB HD

& Possible An additional 160GB HD

Thanks In Advance For Your Help.

 

[BlueAcolyte]

Ok, those are all A) Cheap quality and B) Overkill. I would go with an Antec Earthwatts 430watt or a Corsair VX450.

Anyway...

NEVER GET A RAIDMAX.
It is also advisable to avoid most Rosewills and Sunbeams, although OCZ is ok.

 

[mpilchfamily]

The only half way decent one you've listed is the OCZ. All the others are pretty much crap. Go with the above mentioned Antec or a Corsair VX 450.

 

[cragfin]

Okay so a 450watt will be fine because a user named blunc mentioned that "if he wants to use this computer for more than six months he should consider 600w or better."

The 450watt will not burn out will it, also will it allow my friend to hook the additional HD & three case fans one being a 120mm & 2 80mm.

 

[Zap]

Originally posted by: cragfin
a user named blunc mentioned that "if he wants to use this computer for more than six months he should consider 600w or better."

The 450watt will not burn out will it

There are two considerations for power supplies.

1) It must give out sufficient power.

2) It must be sufficient quality.

An Antec EarthWatts 430W or Corsair VX450 is both.

Not sure the ones on your list (except maybe OCZ?) are both.

 

[cragfin]

Originally posted by: Zap

Originally posted by: cragfin
a user named blunc mentioned that "if he wants to use this computer for more than six months he should consider 600w or better."

The 450watt will not burn out will it

There are two considerations for power supplies.

1) It must give out sufficient power.

2) It must be sufficient quality.

An Antec EarthWatts 430W or Corsair VX450 is both.

Not sure the ones on your list (except maybe OCZ?) are both.

So the 450watts will be enough to power the system & everything I listed?

And the 450 power supply will not burn out in 6 months?

 

[mpilchfamily]

A top quality brand and model like the Corsair and Antec mentioned above will not burn out in 6 months. Most other 450W PSUs will. When your looking at cheap and crappy PSUs like the ones you listed you have to get a 600W or better unit just so you have a chance for the PSU to last and be able to power the system. Its all about quality. The total system won't need more then about 38A from the 12V rail(s). A good quality 400W to 450W unit is easily able to supply 30A or better. Those cheaper units claim to offer that much but because of there cheaper parts are not able to last long or offer good stable power under those conditions.

 

[BlueAcolyte]

It's like a Honda vs a Ford, I guess... Ford might be bigger and more powerful but less reliable.

 

[HOOfan 1]

Originally posted by: BlueAcolyte
It's like a Honda vs a Ford, I guess... Ford might be bigger and more powerful but less reliable.

Says who? My family has had plenty of Fords and run them well over 100,000 miles. I'm still driving a 1983 Ford Ranger, I don't see many 1980's Hondas on the road.

 

[BlueAcolyte]

Sorry, GMC then.

 

[HOOfan 1]

Originally posted by: BlueAcolyte
Sorry, GMC then.

how about Jaguar...they are powerful and break down often

 

[RallyMaster]

Fools, Corsair vs others is like the Subaru Impreza WRC's reliability on the Wales Rally GB in the past decade and a half vs Subaru Impreza WRC's reliability in the 2006 and 2007 seasons. Lots of win vs lots of lose and fail. Pardon the specific and completely random comparison but these days, there's really no point in comparing reliability for normal street cars because pretty much all of them have merits and problems. Corsair is built like a tank, runs cool and efficient and is one of the quietest power supplies on the market that's actively cooled. So there.

 

[tynopik]

also check out buy.com
they have $10 off with first time google checkout and $30 off for signing up for their credit card
there is also a $5 off $100 or $10 of $200 coupon available on slickdeals if you want get other stuff there
Corsair VX 550W $89 - $10 rebate
Corsair TX 650W $98 - $10 rebate

so for instance, get the TX 650, add $2 filler, use the $5 coupon, use the $10 GCO brings it to $85 shipped, then there is still the $10 rebate

or you could get the 450 VX and save 15-25 bucks or get the EA 430 for $40 after rebate

 

[BlueAcolyte]

Right then... Go cars!

 

[cragfin]

Originally posted by: mpilchfamily
The total system won't need more then about 38A from the 12V rail(s). A good quality 400W to 450W unit is easily able to supply 30A or better.

Okay, but newegg description of the 450VX says "33A/396W", wouldn't the power supply be overloaded if the system goes to 38A?

 

[mpilchfamily]

sorry misstype there.

ment 28A.

 

[cragfin]

Okay so every thing seemed to be going okay my friend gets his parts he has his brother install them then he plugs it in & the gigbyte board starts blinking with two lights repeatedly & long & nothing else comes on.

I am thinking it to be the power supply as the power supply fans don't even start spinning, I should let you know that he eventually decided on the Corsair 450vx.

What are the chances that I am right & that the power supply is DOA?

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: cragfin
I am thinking it to be the power supply as the power supply fans don't even start spinning, I should let you know that he eventually decided on the Corsair 450vx.

What are the chances that I am right & that the power supply is DOA?

His problem isn't the power supply or the motherboard. It's the BIOS. He'll have to install a 65nm C2D in the board, then update the BIOS, so it can run a 45nm processor.<<-- That's assuming he didn't buy a board with an X38 or X48 chipset.

 

[cragfin]

Originally posted by: myocardia

Originally posted by: cragfin
I am thinking it to be the power supply as the power supply fans don't even start spinning, I should let you know that he eventually decided on the Corsair 450vx.

What are the chances that I am right & that the power supply is DOA?

His problem isn't the power supply or the motherboard. It's the BIOS. He'll have to install a 65nm C2D in the board, then update the BIOS, so it can run a 45nm processor.<<-- That's assuming he didn't buy a board with an X38 or X48 chipset.

GIGABYTE GA-EP35-DS3L LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Motherboard (which I though was compatible from the box & did not need a bios update) is the motherboard he bought to use with a E7200 Dual Core, if the problem isn't the power supply then shouldn't the power supply own fan start spinning?

 

[VirtualLarry]

Did you plug in the ATX12V (4-pin) connector too?

 

[cragfin]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
Did you plug in the ATX12V (4-pin) connector too?

I checked what his brother did & it seems fine everything seems connected to where it should be connected, it just seems that the power supply will not start although I am confused on how two lights are blinking then as shouldn't nothing be getting power if the power supply does not work?

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: cragfin
GIGABYTE GA-EP35-DS3L LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Motherboard (which I though was compatible from the box & did not need a bios update) is the motherboard he bought to use with a E7200 Dual Core, if the problem isn't the power supply then shouldn't the power supply own fan start spinning?

I don't know why it would. My GA-EP35C-DS3R had to have it's BIOS updated, before it would post with my E7200. BTW, that Corsair probably just has a temperature controlled fan, which doesn't start until after the PSU warms up.

 

[cragfin]

Originally posted by: myocardia

Originally posted by: cragfin
GIGABYTE GA-EP35-DS3L LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Motherboard (which I though was compatible from the box & did not need a bios update) is the motherboard he bought to use with a E7200 Dual Core, if the problem isn't the power supply then shouldn't the power supply own fan start spinning?

I don't know why it would. My GA-EP35C-DS3R had to have it's BIOS updated, before it would post with my E7200. BTW, that Corsair probably just has a temperature controlled fan, which doesn't start until after the PSU warms up.

I have looked on the gigabyte site & it seems that while most 45nm processors where supported from day one the E7200 was not supported until bio revision F4 which came out on 04/03/2008, but since he purchased it on the 6 of this month could the motherboard be a little bit over two months old, wouldn't the motherboard still come on & go to the bios screen even if the cpu is not compatible with it & wouldn't it just not recongize the cpu?

 

[cragfin]

My friend wants to try his old P4 3.8 to see, but the problem being is that cpu might (never determined if it was) be damaged because of an Air Conditioner killing it, this was talked about in this thread:

My Friend's Computer Problem

My question being if the cpu is damaged then could the cpu damage the motherboard?

 

[myocardia]

Sorry, man, I forgot about this thread. The problem with using his old 3.8 Ghz P4 is that it supposedly isn't supported either. I can't say for sure, because I've never tried one in a P35 board, though. BTW, have you had them see if it will post with all of the cards (besides the video card) pulled, and using only one stick of RAM, etc? The reason I ask is because your definition of not posting, and my definition of not posting may not be the same.

My GA-P35C-DS3R attempted to POST, it just couldn't finish the POST (hence, it didn't POST). It was just stuck in an endless "boot loop" (I had video, but it ignored all input), like these newer boards will do with an unsuccessful overclock attempt. But unlike an unsuccessful OC attempt, resetting the BIOS didn't change anything. I'm sure it's because these E7200's have a 9.5x multiplier, and the board is saying "What do you mean, there aren't any .5x multi's", along with the VRM not being setup for 45nm's (possibly). After I popped a $59 E2180 into it (Microcenter), though, it behaved normally, and let me update the BIOS, and with the latest BIOS, it behaves normally with the E7200, also.

My guess is that if they're getting no video output whatsoever, then they've made some other mistake, like forgetting to plug the supplemental power into the 8800GT, trying to boot with four sticks of RAM, or something along those lines that noobs always seem to do. Have your friend and his brother read this guide, for noob builders. It will most likely help. Good luck, man.