need a TV in the $2000 range w/update

[Rallispec]

UPDATE-
what do you think of this?:
Samsung 46" DLP? HDTV Monitor (HL-P4663W)

$1999 at circuit city, available at the store right now - seems like a decent deal.

also - is the Cityadvantage Protection Plan worth it ($299)

thanks



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Okay well i just moved in to the new house and now I need a new tv to fit my living room. ( Currently using a 27" toshiba )

I'm thinking 42" - 48" - anything larger will probably be either too large, or too expensive.

I would like to grab a DLP rear projection unit, am not set on anythign in particular yet. The room is way to bright for a front projection set up.


can anyone recommend models to look for, or even stores to check out. I've seen everythign best buy and circuit city have to offer - but i'm sure i can find more out there.

looking at about $2,500 max to spend. Less would be better.

thanks

 

[MaverickBP]

hln5065w can be had for pretty cheap being an old model but i dont know about that cheap. Id go for what i personally chose which is the hitachi ultravision 51s500. the new models out but it has a silver bezel...eww. probably one of the best crt rptv's out there depending on your viewing preferences. hit me up with a pm if u need more help.

 

[Rallispec]

Originally posted by: MaverickBP
hln5065w can be had for pretty cheap being an old model but i dont know about that cheap. Id go for what i personally chose which is the hitachi ultravision 51s500. the new models out but it has a silver bezel...eww. probably one of the best crt rptv's out there depending on your viewing preferences. hit me up with a pm if u need more help.

the hln5065w was one model i was looking at-- Sam's Club had them for just under 2k. not sure if i could get it cheaper else where. I'm assuming it's using the previous gen. DLP processor though -- should that be a concern?

my one concern regarding a CRT projection is the maintenence. Is having properly calibrated something i can do myself, or do i have pay to have someone else do that?

 

[Rallispec]

can someone give a quick lesson on pros and cons of a LCD vs. DLP projection tv?

 

[lancestorm]

lcd pros: vivid picture, no worry of burn in, does not exhibit rainbow effect
dlp pros: can do a true black (whereas lcd is still trying to catch up in this arena), a better overall image than lcd

 

[lokiju]

Originally posted by: Rallispec
can someone give a quick lesson on pros and cons of a LCD vs. DLP projection tv?

This is what I found with a quick search.

From my experience of playing around with the two since I'm in the market myself, the biggest difference I've noticed is that LCD looks to have sharper colors where DLP looks to have a clearer image, I've even gone as far as bringing my laptop into the stores and hooking it up to different TV's and LCD projection looks much better when being used as a monitor IMO.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Rallispec

Originally posted by: MaverickBP
hln5065w can be had for pretty cheap being an old model but i dont know about that cheap. Id go for what i personally chose which is the hitachi ultravision 51s500. the new models out but it has a silver bezel...eww. probably one of the best crt rptv's out there depending on your viewing preferences. hit me up with a pm if u need more help.

the hln5065w was one model i was looking at-- Sam's Club had them for just under 2k. not sure if i could get it cheaper else where. I'm assuming it's using the previous gen. DLP processor though -- should that be a concern?

my one concern regarding a CRT projection is the maintenence. Is having properly calibrated something i can do myself, or do i have pay to have someone else do that?

The new LCD samsungs just came in at the sams club i work at. Beautiful IQ i was very impressed (demo i saw was playing The Incredibles).

Or for good old projection, at my sams we have a 60" projection monstor 1080i capable for $1198ish, i forget the brand though >< it was a major brand, not that akai trash we carry.

 

[KingPhil]

Originally posted by: lancestorm
lcd pros: vivid picture, no worry of burn in, does not exhibit rainbow effect
dlp pros: can do a true black (whereas lcd is still trying to catch up in this arena), a better overall image than lcd

Isn't it true that with LCD's, no mater what angle you are sitting at the picture will look good, where as with a rear projection TV, unless you are perfectly horizontal to the TV, the picture may be darker?

Also, LCDs = MUCH LESS space

I know you can get a nice LCD at Sams for 2k.

 

[MaverickBP]

if u can get the hln5065w for that much JUMP ON IT. and sh!t send me a link if you got one. serious one of the best tv's out there. some see "rainbows" i see none. only reason i chose my hitachi over the dlp is because they cannot still beat a crt for true black level performance. of course my tv cant act as a computer monitor as the dlp can with perfection. so its give and take. dlp also has no worry of burn in. crt
s require maintenance and anything above basic maintenance is done by a professional isf technician. and that costs $$$. Dlp you dont have to worry about maintenance and when the lamp, in the back of the tv, finally goes out lets say in 8 years...theres a drawer that pulls out and all you gotta do is pop in a $300 lamp and ur tv's like new again....such a beautiful thing. Now of course this years models are superior but 2-3k more? you decide

 

[MaverickBP]

and yes lcd u get a much wider viewing angle but normal crt's have come along ways. DLP has great side to side viewing but u lose it vertically instead...so no laying down in front of the television. and lcd's can't COME CLOSE in the black level department....so dont expect lotr to look anything similar on a lcd that it did on a dlp or lcd.

 

[Rallispec]

Originally posted by: MaverickBP
if u can get the hln5065w for that much JUMP ON IT. and sh!t send me a link if you got one. serious one of the best tv's out there. some see "rainbows" i see none. only reason i chose my hitachi over the dlp is because they cannot still beat a crt for true black level performance. of course my tv cant act as a computer monitor as the dlp can with perfection. so its give and take. dlp also has no worry of burn in. crt
s require maintenance and anything above basic maintenance is done by a professional isf technician. and that costs $$$. Dlp you dont have to worry about maintenance and when the lamp, in the back of the tv, finally goes out lets say in 8 years...theres a drawer that pulls out and all you gotta do is pop in a $300 lamp and ur tv's like new again....such a beautiful thing. Now of course this years models are superior but 2-3k more? you decide

here is the samsung on sale at Sam's club -- 1,999

so thats a deal worth jumping on?

 

[Qwest]

i was considering a nice 27-30" LCD for my apt, but now you guys got me thinking about a Rear DLP.

 

[CraigRT]

LCD is the way to go in my opinion

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Qwest
i was considering a nice 27-30" LCD for my apt, but now you guys got me thinking about a Rear DLP.

Neither, get a plasma. RPTVs I had considered and nearly bought one. They are too big and bulky, and unless you're right in front of the damn thing you can't even see if the screen is on. Better RPTVs fix this problem, but still...

 

[Rallispec]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Qwest
i was considering a nice 27-30" LCD for my apt, but now you guys got me thinking about a Rear DLP.

Neither, get a plasma. RPTVs I had considered and nearly bought one. They are too big and bulky, and unless you're right in front of the damn thing you can't even see if the screen is on. Better RPTVs fix this problem, but still...

that is what is nice about lcd and dlp Rear projection -- they are very light and much much smaller than the CRT rear projection units. - they also have much more normal veiwing angles.

 

[Qwest]

me have no money for a plasma. the space is small, so i was leaning towards an LCD. but for about the same money, it looks like i could get a DLP.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Rallispec

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Qwest
i was considering a nice 27-30" LCD for my apt, but now you guys got me thinking about a Rear DLP.

Neither, get a plasma. RPTVs I had considered and nearly bought one. They are too big and bulky, and unless you're right in front of the damn thing you can't even see if the screen is on. Better RPTVs fix this problem, but still...

that is what is nice about lcd and dlp Rear projection -- they are very light and much much smaller than the CRT rear projection units. - they also have much more normal veiwing angles.

Oh, right the flatter bigscreen ones. yeah they're not so bad I just hate the big boxy 700 lb things.

 

[CraigRT]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Qwest
i was considering a nice 27-30" LCD for my apt, but now you guys got me thinking about a Rear DLP.

Neither, get a plasma. RPTVs I had considered and nearly bought one. They are too big and bulky, and unless you're right in front of the damn thing you can't even see if the screen is on. Better RPTVs fix this problem, but still...

But plasma is not the most reliable, they don't last forever, i am not sure they are worth the $ in the long run. and DLP reliability is shaky as well. I think the best TV's to own based on reliability/cost to maintain, LCD's will be best.

 

[StageLeft]

But plasma is not the most reliable, they don't last forever

Yeah but they last as long as you'd reasonably need them!

 

[Qwest]

right now i'm spoiled by the 40" Sony HD XBR. yes, it's 4:3 (we got it a while ago), but am i going to see a big drop in PQ with an LCD?

 

[MaverickBP]

Originally posted by: Rallispec

Originally posted by: MaverickBP
if u can get the hln5065w for that much JUMP ON IT. and sh!t send me a link if you got one. serious one of the best tv's out there. some see "rainbows" i see none. only reason i chose my hitachi over the dlp is because they cannot still beat a crt for true black level performance. of course my tv cant act as a computer monitor as the dlp can with perfection. so its give and take. dlp also has no worry of burn in. crt
s require maintenance and anything above basic maintenance is done by a professional isf technician. and that costs $$$. Dlp you dont have to worry about maintenance and when the lamp, in the back of the tv, finally goes out lets say in 8 years...theres a drawer that pulls out and all you gotta do is pop in a $300 lamp and ur tv's like new again....such a beautiful thing. Now of course this years models are superior but 2-3k more? you decide

absolutely. i just checked the link to make sure it was the N series and not the M. as long as nothing else is shady absolutely. ill be picking up one for myself tonight. but i must say one thing...do not get a plasma ppl. not only do they burn in like nothing. but once their life span is exceeded (which is short as hell) you cant fix it...must throw it away..some $3000 disposable. only one plasma can compare to a good crt and thats the panasonic line. lcd cant compare. the only reason to get these are their small form factor. if u can deal with a little bit of size get a dlp/crt. now lcds and plasmas have come along way in their faults...but not far enough.
here is the samsung on sale at Sam's club -- 1,999

so thats a deal worth jumping on?

 

[lokiju]

Originally posted by: MaverickBP

Originally posted by: Rallispec

Originally posted by: MaverickBP
if u can get the hln5065w for that much JUMP ON IT. and sh!t send me a link if you got one. serious one of the best tv's out there. some see "rainbows" i see none. only reason i chose my hitachi over the dlp is because they cannot still beat a crt for true black level performance. of course my tv cant act as a computer monitor as the dlp can with perfection. so its give and take. dlp also has no worry of burn in. crt
s require maintenance and anything above basic maintenance is done by a professional isf technician. and that costs $$$. Dlp you dont have to worry about maintenance and when the lamp, in the back of the tv, finally goes out lets say in 8 years...theres a drawer that pulls out and all you gotta do is pop in a $300 lamp and ur tv's like new again....such a beautiful thing. Now of course this years models are superior but 2-3k more? you decide

absolutely. i just checked the link to make sure it was the N series and not the M. as long as nothing else is shady absolutely. ill be picking up one for myself tonight. but i must say one thing...do not get a plasma ppl. not only do they burn in like nothing. but once their life span is exceeded (which is short as hell) you cant fix it...must throw it away..some $3000 disposable. only one plasma can compare to a good crt and thats the panasonic line. lcd cant compare. the only reason to get these are their small form factor. if u can deal with a little bit of size get a dlp/crt. now lcds and plasmas have come along way in their faults...but not far enough.
here is the samsung on sale at Sam's club -- 1,999

so thats a deal worth jumping on?

That TV isn't even 1080, only 720.

 

[purbeast0]

rallispec: HLN is the older model. HLP is the newer one (of that same price range). they have a new line as well that has the HD2+ chip (better than the HD3 chip). the HLN has (i believe) the HD2 chip, the HLP has the HD3 chip, and the other one (that runs about $700 - $800 more for the same size as the HD3 chip) is the HD2+ chip.

you could get the HLP46 series for about $2400 now. i have the HLP50 and that thing is amazing, i strongly recomment it.

EDIT: and IMO, when i was doing research of about a month, i personally think the picture quality goes in the following order:

DLP > LCD > Plasma

again, its my opinion, but all around the pic s on the DLP were the best by a good amount. maybe its just the samsung is so amazing .

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: blazert40

Originally posted by: MaverickBP

Originally posted by: Rallispec

Originally posted by: MaverickBP
if u can get the hln5065w for that much JUMP ON IT. and sh!t send me a link if you got one. serious one of the best tv's out there. some see "rainbows" i see none. only reason i chose my hitachi over the dlp is because they cannot still beat a crt for true black level performance. of course my tv cant act as a computer monitor as the dlp can with perfection. so its give and take. dlp also has no worry of burn in. crt
s require maintenance and anything above basic maintenance is done by a professional isf technician. and that costs $$$. Dlp you dont have to worry about maintenance and when the lamp, in the back of the tv, finally goes out lets say in 8 years...theres a drawer that pulls out and all you gotta do is pop in a $300 lamp and ur tv's like new again....such a beautiful thing. Now of course this years models are superior but 2-3k more? you decide

absolutely. i just checked the link to make sure it was the N series and not the M. as long as nothing else is shady absolutely. ill be picking up one for myself tonight. but i must say one thing...do not get a plasma ppl. not only do they burn in like nothing. but once their life span is exceeded (which is short as hell) you cant fix it...must throw it away..some $3000 disposable. only one plasma can compare to a good crt and thats the panasonic line. lcd cant compare. the only reason to get these are their small form factor. if u can deal with a little bit of size get a dlp/crt. now lcds and plasmas have come along way in their faults...but not far enough.
here is the samsung on sale at Sam's club -- 1,999

so thats a deal worth jumping on?

That TV isn't even 1080, only 720.

that doesn't matter. you forgot to put the letter afterwards

720p and 1080i are both high definition. and the samsungs can take in a 1080i broadcast and display it in 720p. i know, i have one .

720p is its native resolution.

 

[Rallispec]

Originally posted by: purbeast0
rallispec: HLN is the older model. HLP is the newer one (of that same price range). they have a new line as well that has the HD2+ chip (better than the HD3 chip). the HLN has (i believe) the HD2 chip, the HLP has the HD3 chip, and the other one (that runs about $700 - $800 more for the same size as the HD3 chip) is the HD2+ chip.

you could get the HLP46 series for about $2400 now. i have the HLP50 and that thing is amazing, i strongly recomment it.

EDIT: and IMO, when i was doing research of about a month, i personally think the picture quality goes in the following order:

DLP > LCD > Plasma

again, its my opinion, but all around the pic s on the DLP were the best by a good amount. maybe its just the samsung is so amazing .

thanks for the info --

I really wish i could find a place that a few of these tv's on display to compare them side by side.

do you think the HD3 is noticeably better than the HD2 chip?