Need a new way to punish certain criminals.

[Scotteq]

Punishment always appeals to powerless self-hating and frustrated turds who are so weak and ineffectual in life and such basic cowardly bullies that they want to hide behind the law to practice their sadism. These are the same worthless scum who torture their kids and make them grow up to be criminals. First and foremost the brain dead always fuck themselves.

OK - So considering your earlier post:

This is really very simple. Institute moral training at school and have a pop quiz. Arrange for each person to find a Brinks truck bag full of money and execute those who don't return it.

Your solution is what, exactly? Hopefully something a little less brain dead than pre~emptively executing people...

 

[Jaskalas]

I'm sure any intelligent answer will be drowned out by a bunch of retards wanting to extend the death penalty.

Feel free to supply these 'intelligent' answers.

 

[Jaskalas]

(The above is only applicable for real/serious crimes and repeat offenses. Going to jail for minor theft doesn't need to be so harsh.)

Maybe those cases shouldn't waste jail space to begin with.

 

[yllus]

I guess the first step to take would be to reclassify offences, dropping a large swath of them that essentially hurt no-one (vice laws, drugs).

Next, for the majority of repeat offenders, you could theoretically use intensive psychiatric counseling and education/skills training to break them out of their pattern. The amount it'd cost to effect that change would be enormous, but still, it's relatively doable.

For the small percentage that remain... Hard to say. I sort of like the idea of giving an inmate X years (say ten) to prove they've been rehabilitated before they are _______'d. Graduate or die, I guess?

 

[Moonbeam]

Punishment is sometimes neccessary, it doesn't have to be violent and it doesn't have to be forever, finding your way back and earning respect does carry a lot of weight in my brain and i'm sure i'm not unique.

You can win or lose, but you can't do both.

You won by losing. Quickest way to heaven is right through hell.

 

[Moonbeam]

Sharia law is superior to Singapore law any day. Cutting off hands and heads is where we need to go, and stones, don't forget stones, much better than canes. Almost no crime at all is Saudi Arabia. Just convert to Islam.

 

[nonlnear]

This is really very simple. Institute moral training at school and have a pop quiz. Arrange for each person to find a Brinks truck bag full of money and execute those who don't return it. A whole host of problems will be solved.

But what of the simpletons who look upon the ridiculous contraption stuffed full of bags of nothing and can't tell the difference between it and a rotting log? You would punish them for being smarter than everybody else!

 

[BurnItDwn]

Ehh ... I think caning is ok, but I am very much against the death penalty.

Caning causes pain, but, I don't think it's particularly cruel or unusual as it isn't debilitating. Now, death penalty is permanantly debilitating no I'd like to see that removed from the table.

 

[woolfe9999]

Simple - stop releasing them. Clear prisons of non-violent drug offenders, and fill them back up with those who choose violence on a regular basis. Three-strikes laws are good policy when it comes to violent offenders.

I basically agree with this. Quit locking up the drug offenders to reduce overcrowding. Property criminals getting pretty much medium sentences, with white collar getting no better break than common thieves. Violent offenders locked up for good on the third strike, sooner if the crime is particularly heinous. Sex offenders can be given the option of submitting to voluntary castration to have their sentence reduced.

But really, the best option is to address the primary roots of crime - proverty and poor education. If you don't address it on the front end, there is no "good" solution on the back end because most people who become hardened criminals will never reform.

Crime has been down in the US anyway since the early 1990's and has not increased during this recession. So really, I don't see the issue as being at the forefront of importance as it once seemed to be.

- wolf

 

[Moonbeam]

But what of the simpletons who look upon the ridiculous contraption stuffed full of bags of nothing and can't tell the difference between it and a rotting log? You would punish them for being smarter than everybody else!

Are we like talking the guy who mistook his wife for a hat?

 

[kranky]

I am leaning toward making them work at some kind of unpleasant job. There has to be some motivation for career criminals to want to NOT be in prison. If they don't care either way, then the system is not working.

 

[Modelworks]

time can't be used as a guide for how long is needed for a person to remain in jail. It might take 1 man a week to realize stealing is wrong where another man is in jail for decades and never gets it.

Look at the history of our current prison system and it goes back to when criminals would be placed in dungeons and only let out if the King felt the person had served long enough. Then it changed to penitentiaries where the priest decided if the person were truly penitent for what they had done and could be released. We combined it and the King became the Government and the priest the parole board.

I think a better approach would be a requirement that every prisoner is evaluated to find out why they did what they did and a plan developed on how best to correct that. Make the terms for their release completion of that plan if it is 1 year or 20 years , not some arbitrary years or months. They can choose if they stay years or a lifetime.

 

[lothar]

I'm surprised no one has suggested "An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth" yet.

 

[dawp]

If we do away with drug laws and just keep the prisons for the real offenders that will help a lot. a large portion of the those in prison are there for drugs related offenses.

 

[Scotteq]

I'm surprised no one has suggested "An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth" yet.

Please refer to the earlier Sharia Law posts... :whiste:

 

[piasabird]

Drugs hurt no one?
Broken homes
Driving your car through a house and killing 5 people.
Medical costs for overdose.
Committing suicide due to drugs ruining your life.
shooting innocent people in the streets.
Driving motor vehicles while intoxicated.
Spending money on drugs instead of feeding your children.

I think Stealing a car deserves a death sentence. Usually it is career criminals that steal cars. Then they crash the stolen car into a house or cause damage running from the police. They they bail and the cops are forced to chase these idiots. So instead of chasing them at that point the cops should just be allowed to shoot them in the back.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

My thought is that Yllus is on the right track. Look at the crime and the circumstances. If it's egregious then removing them from the general population may be the best thing. In cases where a crime is committed but wasn't a threat then the old fashion concept of restitution may be best. If someone vandalizes a home they have to restore it. There's a few ways to do this so it isn't automatically a case where the perp makes amends for his particular act and perhaps that's better.

Making someone work to do good even against their will is a better punishment than the archaic system we have now. There needs to be more thought applied in many things, and criminal justice is a perfect example.