Need a new way to punish certain criminals.

[kranky]

It doesn't seem like sending criminals to prison is productive in many cases. You have people who are basically good but did a bad thing, they could serve their time and never offend again. Some people benefit from training/education programs and work hard to become productive after their release.

But there are just too many people who are determined to be criminals permanently. Prison is not a deterrent. You have people with dozens of convictions, serving short sentences and then committing more crimes within days or weeks of their release. It doesn't make sense to me that we are OK with giving someone with multiple convictions for violent crimes another 6-month sentence for assault.

What can be done to change people like this? When people don't care if they go to prison, they aren't very likely to stop committing crimes. If prison is not a deterrent, is there something else that could be done to make people not want to commit more crimes?

 

[Jaskalas]

What can be done to change people like this? When people don't care if they go to prison, they aren't very likely to stop committing crimes. If prison is not a deterrent, is there something else that could be done to make people not want to commit more crimes?

Execution is the most effective method of ensuring they are not repeat offenders.

 

[piasabird]

Good people dont do bad things.

If you do a bad thing you are not good, you are bad!

Most people who commit some minor offense are given probation for the first offense anyway.

Maybe more offenses should be punished with the death sentence.

 

[highland145]

Execution is the most effective method of ensuring they are not repeat offenders.

That's for sure and for a lot of them I would agree but that may not be socially tolerable on many levels. What about instituting Singapore like punishments?

 

[Jaskalas]

That's for sure and for a lot of them I would agree but that may not be socially tolerable on many levels. What about instituting Singapore like punishments?

I'll go look that up as I'm not familiar.

To address the point of what is socially tolerable, the longer we fester a wound - the more serious it becomes. Crime WILL grow, the affliction will worsen, and people may become desperate enough to do FAR worse things than what I propose. Call it an overreaction.

Imagine for a moment what would be socially tolerable if we were faced with Mexico's violence.

 

[highland145]

I'll go look that up as I'm not familiar.

To address the point of what is socially tolerable, the longer we fester a wound - the more serious it becomes. Crime WILL grow, the affliction will worsen, and people may become desperate enough to do FAR worse things than what I propose. Call it an overreaction.

Imagine for a moment what would be socially tolerable if we were faced with Mexico's violence.

http://www.langara.bc.ca/creative-arts/publishing/prm/2003/singapore.html

For those lucky enough to escape hanging, caning may be the punishment prescribed for roughly 30 crimes in Singapore, including attempted murder, armed robbery, immigration offences, and vandalism. Secretary General of the Singapore Democrats and former political prisoner, Dr. Chee Soon Juan spent five weeks in a Singapore prison for refusing to pay a fine he received for violating a law restricting public gatherings.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_law_of_Singapore

Mexico in the US: Most things would be tolerable to protect me/mine/neighbors. And the list probably would grow longer as violence escalated.

 

[Moonbeam]

This is really very simple. Institute moral training at school and have a pop quiz. Arrange for each person to find a Brinks truck bag full of money and execute those who don't return it. A whole host of problems will be solved.

There is only one true form of morality, one based on love not fear. Any who do what is right out of fear they will be caught otherwise are not really moral at all.

Only such fools as are afraid to commit crimes themselves seek harsher penalties as a cure for wrong doing.

 

[CitizenKain]

I'm sure any intelligent answer will be drowned out by a bunch of retards wanting to extend the death penalty.

 

[Scotteq]

What can be done to change people like this? When people don't care if they go to prison, they aren't very likely to stop committing crimes. If prison is not a deterrent, is there something else that could be done to make people not want to commit more crimes?

Like the guys in Connecticut who held a family hostage in order to get the mother to clean out the bank account. An act for which mom was profusely thanked by being duly gang raped. This was, of course, prior to our 'socially maladjusted' gentlemen murdering her and her children by burning them to death. Musta been out of cigarettes, or something.

Those guys?


You give them a stern talking to, of course!


Because everyone knows that in the United States the rights of Criminals exceed those of their victims. And we must do our very best to protect, preserve, and promote the gathering, reproduction, and well being of ALL forms of filth. Especially in cases where that Filth still has so much room to learn and grow!

For example - Those guys so clearly did it "wrong" by failing to rape the children too. I mean: How could we possibly justify feeding and housing people for the rest of their lives when they can't even get *that* right?? And what's this sh*t about leaving the Father alive!?!? They didn't even make him WATCH his wife being raped, fer crissakes! If you're going to leave him alive, at least give him a nice visual to remember you by!

Incompetent idiots couldn't even finish what they started!!

So, let's put them in prison so they can have long discussions with their peers on how they might improve their methods and avoid the inconvenience of being hassled by (the thieving racist tools of an Opressive regime run by Jew and WASP SlaveMasters) Police.


Sorry - Got a little carried away....












Everyone knows you can't rape the children unless they haven't gone to preschool yet.

*************


Well, let's see...



Prisons aren't a deterrent - If anything, the concentrated gathering of criminals serves as a most efficient means of teaching them to be better, more effective, and more brutal criminals...



Can't kill them, though: That would be 'inhumane'.


So we have a conundrum.






Lobotomies.

Either that, or accept that in a "Just" society some people really should die.

 

[highland145]

I'm sure any intelligent answer will be drowned out by a bunch of retards wanting to extend the death penalty.

Such as?

 

[Scotteq]

I'm sure any intelligent answer will be drowned out by a bunch of retards wanting to extend the death penalty.

Yes - Please enlighten us as to the proper way to treat vicious pieces of shit.

Perhaps you have a spare room?




..and a lighter?



btw - Not "extend" - I'd happily settle for swift application where the details of the case warrant it.

 

[Dekasa]

I'm a big fan of Singapore's punishment system. Very effective.

But really, all you have to do is make prison worse. Lock people up in a room the size of a twin bed + toilet. Bring crappy food to the door. No TV, No free time, you just sit your ass in a room for 6 months. Maybe if you talk, we tase you. Prison's not so fun anymore, is it?

(The above is only applicable for real/serious crimes and repeat offenses. Going to jail for minor theft doesn't need to be so harsh.)

 

[Mursilis]

You have people with dozens of convictions, serving short sentences and then committing more crimes within days or weeks of their release. It doesn't make sense to me that we are OK with giving someone with multiple convictions for violent crimes another 6-month sentence for assault.

What can be done to change people like this? When people don't care if they go to prison, they aren't very likely to stop committing crimes. If prison is not a deterrent, is there something else that could be done to make people not want to commit more crimes?

Simple - stop releasing them. Clear prisons of non-violent drug offenders, and fill them back up with those who choose violence on a regular basis. Three-strikes laws are good policy when it comes to violent offenders.

 

[Jimmah]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned hard labour. Not the breaking-rocks type hard labour, but the doing jobs our countries farm out to china. I imagine standing at a press making 10 cents an hour pulling hot plastic toy parts out for 10 hours a day would be a good deterrent (I did it as a student job, yes it would be a good deterrent).

Send the guys with violent crimes to hot, dangerous environments where you work your ass off and go home tired every day. Do that for 10 years, I doubt many would commit a crime again if they knew they would be going back for double.

I really should get my dad to comment on this, he's been a corrections officer for 30 something years and has lots of ideas how to fix things.

 

[highland145]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned hard labour. Not the breaking-rocks type hard labour, but the doing jobs our countries farm out to china. I imagine standing at a press making 10 cents an hour pulling hot plastic toy parts out for 10 hours a day would be a good deterrent (I did it as a student job, yes it would be a good deterrent).

Then we might have to pay more at wally world and/or the for profit corps would make less and/or it would be inhumane treatment.

I could go for this.:thumbsup:

 

[GoPackGo]

Send them to Australia...

 

[highland145]

Send them to Australia...

The Brits did that and they started their own country.

 

[GoPackGo]

The Brits did that and they started their own country.

I know...hence the smiley

 

[ichy]

I'm sure any intelligent answer will be drowned out by a bunch of retards wanting to extend the death penalty.

What's so retarded about extending the death penalty? Right now only a tiny fraction of those who commit first-degree murder are executed. We could certainly do with a lot more criminals being put to death.

 

[GoPackGo]

RUNNING MAN!!!!!

You too could end up like last season's winners!!!!

 

[CitizenKain]

Glad my point was made so incredibly quickly.

 

[highland145]

Glad my point was made so incredibly quickly.

That you didn't have other solutions? Not being argumentative with my reply to your first post just looking for you opinion on viable solutions.

 

[Moonbeam]

Punishment always appeals to powerless self-hating and frustrated turds who are so weak and ineffectual in life and such basic cowardly bullies that they want to hide behind the law to practice their sadism. These are the same worthless scum who torture their kids and make them grow up to be criminals. First and foremost the brain dead always fuck themselves.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

It doesn't seem like sending criminals to prison is productive in many cases. You have people who are basically good but did a bad thing, they could serve their time and never offend again. Some people benefit from training/education programs and work hard to become productive after their release.

But there are just too many people who are determined to be criminals permanently. Prison is not a deterrent. You have people with dozens of convictions, serving short sentences and then committing more crimes within days or weeks of their release. It doesn't make sense to me that we are OK with giving someone with multiple convictions for violent crimes another 6-month sentence for assault.

What can be done to change people like this? When people don't care if they go to prison, they aren't very likely to stop committing crimes. If prison is not a deterrent, is there something else that could be done to make people not want to commit more crimes?

I grew up in Brixton and i was a bad, if not completely rotten, apple.

I learned to fend for myself by beating the sheit out of others until one day i got the chance to get the fuck out of there, i took it and never looked back.

Military training, most important is discipline. Finding a meaning comes later, but it does not come without discipline and by discipline i don't mean beatings, i mean learning to respect ones superiors and act accordingly or face the consequences.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Punishment always appeals to powerless self-hating and frustrated turds who are so weak and ineffectual in life and such basic cowardly bullies that they want to hide behind the law to practice their sadism. These are the same worthless scum who torture their kids and make them grow up to be criminals. First and foremost the brain dead always fuck themselves.

Punishment is sometimes neccessary, it doesn't have to be violent and it doesn't have to be forever, finding your way back and earning respect does carry a lot of weight in my brain and i'm sure i'm not unique.

You can win or lose, but you can't do both.