Need a modem recommendation

GasX

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I need to get a modem to tide me over until RCN gets local 2 way cable or DSL becomes available locally. What modem should I get and how much do I need to spend to get good pings?

I assume I need a hardware modem, but beyond that I am pretty clueless...

Thanks in advance
 

Oyeve

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I notice you live in NY as do I. Well, let me warn you, RCN came to my co-op in lower manhattan and wired us for cable and cable modem. They BLOW! They are the worse cable company in lower manhattan! They have the slowest, oldest cables running. Plus, their reps know squat about cable or dsl. I spent hours arguing with them in my lobby. just thought id let you know. :)
 

Modus

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There are a number of reasons to avoid higher priced "hard modems," especially those made by 3Com/USR, in favor of a common PCI winmodem.

1) Winmodems are dirt cheap.

While a good Lucent LT or Rockwell/Conexant HCF winmodem can easily be found for less than $10 US (see PriceWatch) the cheapest hardware modem costs nearly four times as much: $36 plus shipping and handling. And for a 3Com part, you'll pay even more. By contrast, you can sometimes find winmodems for $5 or even for free with special promotions.

Everything else we put in our computers is subject to a price/performance ratio. In other words, if the performance of a more expensive part does not scale linearly with its price, we don't buy it. (RDRAM, anyone?) The same reasoning must be applied to hardware modems. They certainly don't perform four times as well as winmodems of a quarter the price, and as we'll see, they often don't perform any better at all.

2) Ping times and throughput are not an issue.

Modern Winmodems such as those based on the Lucent LT chipset will display ping times below 100ms and connect speeds around 48000, which is more than adequate for any Internet activity, including online gaming. Any recent softmodem -- especially the HCF variety, where the hardware handles a bit more of the duty -- should exhibit similar performance. Below, a cut and paste job from a generic Lucent LT v.90 PCI, which sells for as low as $9 on PriceWatch:

C:\WINDOWS>ping -n 10 router.infoserve.net

Pinging router.infoserve.net [199.175.157.4] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 199.175.157.4: bytes=32 time=101ms TTL=253
Reply from 199.175.157.4: bytes=32 time=105ms TTL=253
Reply from 199.175.157.4: bytes=32 time=90ms TTL=253
Reply from 199.175.157.4: bytes=32 time=105ms TTL=253
Reply from 199.175.157.4: bytes=32 time=90ms TTL=253
Reply from 199.175.157.4: bytes=32 time=105ms TTL=253
Reply from 199.175.157.4: bytes=32 time=90ms TTL=253
Reply from 199.175.157.4: bytes=32 time=105ms TTL=253
Reply from 199.175.157.4: bytes=32 time=90ms TTL=253
Reply from 199.175.157.4: bytes=32 time=105ms TTL=253

Ping statistics for 199.175.157.4:
Packets: Sent = 10, Received = 10, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 90ms, Maximum = 105ms, Average = 98ms

You may object that pinging an ISP would always yield good results. Actually, it's the only fair way to compare latency between modems. Pinging your ISP reduces the number of variables down to three: your modem's performance, the quality of your phone lines, and the nature of your ISP's modem pool. If we were to compare modems by pinging a fixed point on the Internet, we would quickly introduce several more uncontrolled variables: Internet traffic, server load, number of hops, etc.

Even if you ping your own ISP with an expensive hardware modem, I think you'll find it extremely difficult to match these numbers.

Not bad for $9, eh? ;)

3) CPU utilization is minimal.

One of the main arguments against winmodems has been that they consume CPU cycles. Fortunately, manufacturers have always made sure to set minimum CPU guidelines so that the effect is not noticeable. If CPU usage was ever a problem, it certainly isn't today.

CPU power has increased many, many times faster than the technology behind softmodems. For instance, the CPU usage of a typical winmodem hovers below 5% on a Celeron 333. This is in the range of the power required by Windows to spin an hourglass cursor; it's certainly not something that will eat into your game play significantly. Once again, we see the benifit of an HCF winmodem solution, where the onboard DSP relieves much of the stress on the CPU. And now we have people running around with 1 GHz processors. Any drop in frame rate will barely be measurable, let alone visible.

4) They are reliable.

In my consulting business, I've sold dozens of PC's equipped with the cheapest Winmodems I could find. Only one has ever come back with a genuine hardware defect.

Many ISP support techs have a grudge against winmodems because they feel these types of modems are responsible for an innordinate number of support calls. There are a couple of reasons for this. First, almost all new computers sold today use winmodems; a person with a new computer and a modem problem will likely be using a winmodem, simply because they are more prevalent. Second, winmodems actually require the drivers they ship with. A new PC user who can't tell the difference between his RAM and his hard drive space will feel his eyes glaze over when confronted with a manual telling him how to install softmodem drivers. Instinct tells him to phone his "Internet guys" and get them to help.

In truth, winmodems are no more apt to fail than hardware modems, and probably less so, because they have fewer electronic components.

5) Driver/OS support is excellent.

The Lucent LT, for example, supports Windows 2000, Windows 9x, Linux (see [L]http://www.linmodems.org[/L] under the Vendor section), and even the obscure BeOS. Lucent also seems comitted to releasing a new driver every few months, which means your modem's performance will always be as high as possible.

6) Affordable broadband Internet technology puts any analogue modem to shame.

Anyone using the Internet for more than email and chat sees the need for widely available broadband Internet access to replace our antiquated 56k connections. Trying to enjoy streaming audio or video over a modem connection is like trying to sip a thick milkshake through a thin straw. With the availability and affordability of high speed Internet access growing at a steady rate, it would be foolish to invest more than the minimum amount in modem technology that is already obsolete.

So when you consider the facts, there are very few valid reasons to avoid winmodems.

Modus
 

GasX

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Thanks for the response. You made up my mind to get get a Lucent based winmodem, while I wait for DSL (non RCN ;) )
 

thorin

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Wow it's actually need a while since I've seen the Modus C&P job.

Thorin

PS > I recommend the 3COM/USR 2976 or 2977.
 

Maverick

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From your post it looks like you're running a pretty solid machine in terms of performance.
I'd stay go with Modus's recommendation and grab a windmodem, your CPU can handle it.

Good luck.

 

etech

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Although Modus does a nice cut and paste job, some of his information is not accurate for all phone lines. There are many people here(some who have dicussed this with Modus until carpal tunnel set in) who have not had any luck with any winmodem the lucent LT included.

By all means try one if you want, I did and ended up sending them back and keeping my USR ISA hardware modem. Pings were 100 with the USR, 200 with the software modems. Connect speeds were around the same but download speeds were higher with the USR. The lucent modem I tried would not even connect to one of the ISP's I was using and only connect at 33K with the other.

Now going through the hassle of sending my DSL equipment back. Poor phone lines are giving a distance reading of 19,500' resulting in dropped connections and lost sync.

Trying cable next, capped at 320kbps but better then any modem.



 

SerraYX

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I agree with etech. Though my CPU is limited (266 Mhz), until next week:), I get better pings than other people with my ISA hardware modem versus their PCI software things. Usually faster download speeds as well, even though no one here can get above 26.4k
 

JohnnyTT

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Creative makes a great modem that is dirt cheap. My friend's got it and he has no problems with it.
 

nnnyyy

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I have used the Actiontec Callwaiting modem and I thinks its great. Its a hardware modem. I use it as a backup just incase my DSL goes down.
 

Modus

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etech,

<< Although Modus does a nice cut and paste job, some of his information is not accurate for all phone lines. There are many people here. . . who have not had any luck with any winmodem the lucent LT included. >>

You're falling to prey to a common consumer malady called &quot;small sample syndrome&quot;: you received poor service your first time at Acme Auto Repairs so you decide that Acme Auto repairs always gives poor service, despite the fact that the vast majority of people get better results from that company than any other.

The Lucent LT modem you keep railing about was manufactured over a year ago and you were using drivers terribly outdated by today's standards. In fact, according to 56K=V.Unreliable, the Lucent LT is the only current modem (including overpriced USR dreck) that allows a free upgrade to v.92 via a simple, one-time driver update. The line handling ability of the Lucent LT is now better than most hardware modems. The line handling of other winmodems (PCTel, Conexant, Motorla) has similarly improved, though not to the same degree. In reality, the overwhelming bulk of phone lines in North America are perfectly adequate for any competent modem, hard or soft. Those that aren't invariably do not discriminate between different modems.

One must also remember that throughput does not equal connect speed. Modern winmodem drivers from Ambient/Intel and Motorola realize this and introduce a feature not found on even the most frivolously expensive 3Com Courier trophies: the ability to view the exact current downstream rate after the frequent retraining that happens during a normal connection. A modern winmodem connecting at 38666 can often step up to 44000 or even higher as line noise permits, and inform the user of the increase, whereas a hardware modem keeps the user completely in the dark as to the true current downstream rate, despite appearing to connect faster.

Basically, for the $9 price tag an unmatched performance most people experience with a good winmodem, the hardware modem has become an obsolete dinosaur.

Modus
 

Supergax

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Just a quick thing to point out is that some of the Creative winmodem models DO NOT work with Windows 2000, there are no drivers for them.
 

Jiggz

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I beg to disagree with Modus but I'd rather keep my opinion to one'self because I've tried them all(modems) and so far ISA based (hardware modems) modems are still the fastest on connectivity and throughput.:cool:
 

thorin

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&quot;In fact, according to 56K=V.Unreliable, the Lucent LT is the only current modem (including overpriced USR dreck) that allows a free upgrade to v.92 via a simple, one-time driver update.&quot;

WRONG USR/3Com has released free simple upgrade to v.92 for a huge number of their 56k modems. And the list continues to grow each week (I believe there are currently 70+ models/revisions upgradable in the list).

Thorin
 

obenton

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Another useful option is USB modem, particularly when the modem is primarily backup for temporarily down broadband connection. Advantages: portability, no need to scrounge for a suitable PCI slot on a crowded MB, one modem can service several computers as needed. Disadvantage: few work with w2k - most have no w2k driver, and some have buggy w2k drivers - but the Buslink w2k driver is good.