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silverpig

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Originally posted by: DrPizza
Originally posted by: SagaLore
Why would you want to feed her a cheese-like product if she's incapable of eating cheese? People's eating habits later in life are based on their experiences as children, so wouldn't it be better to just remove cheese from her diet, as if it never existed?

these soy-based products satisfy cheese cravings

I agree with sagalore. A. How can you have "cheese cravings" if you've never eaten cheese? I've never eaten sushi. I don't know what I'm missing. If I discovered tomorrow that I'm allergic to seafood, I wouldn't be searching for a fish substitute that tastes sort of like fish. I think this is especially true when it's difficult to find a good replacement. It makes as little sense as the vegans who crave hamburgers, so they concoct the closest soy fabrication they can come up with that tastes remotely like meat. WHY?!

Dude... you're totally missing out.
 

SunnyD

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Originally posted by: SagaLore
Why would you want to feed her a cheese-like product if she's incapable of eating cheese? People's eating habits later in life are based on their experiences as children, so wouldn't it be better to just remove cheese from her diet, as if it never existed?

Because she knows what cheese tastes like and enjoys a good cheeseburger? Good lord, it's a simple concept. If there's an adequate substitute, there's no sense in not using it (Hell, the chemical industry agrees, re: HFCS, aspartame, etc).

You win the "Stupidest statement of the day" award. :roll:
 

Paperdoc

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There is a lot of confusion about milk allergies. The two most common are lactose intolerance (not really an allergy) and true allergy to the proteins in milk.

Lactose is the sugar in all milk. At infancy we all have an enzyme produced in our intestinal systems to break it down into other simple sugars suitable for use by cells in the body. It appears, however, that people who do not continue to drink milk lose the ability to produce the enzyme and do not regain it. So many adults, especially in poorer countries who cannot afford to provide milk to adults, have developed Lactose intolerance. Merely changing to milk from a different animal will never solve this problem.

Most often true food allergies are reactions to particular proteins in a food. It almost never happens that an infant is allergic to its mother's milk because of the huge genetic similarity of the infant to the mother. But it certainly does happen that a child may be allergic to milk from cows, who are a very different species. In a few of those cases it also happens that the child does not react the same way to milk from a different species like goats, so we have the myth that goat's milk is non-allergenic. NOT TRUE. The real solution to true milk allergies (that is, allergies to non-human milk) is not to use other species' milk in the first place. This is just one of many reasons for breastfeeding.

In OP's case, I am left wondering why he / she wants a non-milk cheese? If it is for nutritional reasons, I'm sure some study of what cheese provides will guide him / her to a selection of alternative foods to provide same. Maybe some advice from a good natural foods group or store would help there. Just don't buy into goat milk! On the other hand, if the motivation is to find something that looks, tastes and chews like cheese, that's more of a challenge. I might suggest that, in the "tastes like ..." part he / she should modify that to be more "tastes good so the daughter likes it", not just "tastes like cheese". Maybe the search for a cheese-like substitute is partly social so the daughter does not feel "different" from her friends who eat cheese. That's an issue all children with allergies face, and our society is getting better at accepting allergies as "normal".

I sympathize with you, OP. My son cannot eat poultry - gives him bad intestinal upset, but so far not life-threatening. You'd be surprised how often chicken shows up in odd places! But your situation is more serious because your daughter's reaction could threaten her life, and I agree that milk components show up almost everywhere! Does she carry an "Epi Pen" and know how and when to use it?
 

nanette1985

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Originally posted by: Paperdoc
There is a lot of confusion about milk allergies. The two most common are lactose intolerance (not really an allergy) and true allergy to the proteins in milk.
You're really close, so here's a bit more. Milk problems run in my husband's family. Lactose intolerance is often genetic - my husband's family and ethnic group - and most Asian and African Americans, for example. Most babies have some lactose tolerance (lactase, the enzyme required to digest lactose), but in many people it fades. Merely continuing to drink milk won't extend the lactase production if someone is lactose intolerant.

And yes, there are babies who cannot tolerate their mother's milk. Sometimes it's congenital lactase deficiency - babies without lactase. There's also something called galactosemia which is an inability to use galactose, which is related to the whole lactose thing. As I say, this stuff runs in the family (husband's newborn brother died of it).

Galactosemia is one of the things they look for in the heel-blood thing they do with newborns.

Regarding milk allergies: the most common allergies are to the two proteins in milk, whey and casein. You can be allergic to either protein or both at the same time. In addition, there is a milk fat allergy, much less common than a milk protein allergy. Some people with milk protein allergy can tolerate milk fats (i.e. clarified butter). Some people with milk fat allergy can tolerate milk proteins (i.e. fat-free milk).

Goat's milk lacks the major casein (there are several) in cow's milk. That's why some, but not all, people who have milk protein allergies can tolerate goat's milk. Also, goat's milk is not lactose-free, but it is digested more completely than cow's milk, so many people with mild lactose intolerance can tolerate it - less lactose needed to digest.

Often, milk allergies in children are outgrown. Lactose intolerance becomes more and more probable as people age.

Also, some people with milk allergies are also allergic to beef, leather, etc.

I know, way too much information. But for those of us who deal with milk issues, very important to get it right.




edited because I misspelled milk once. As long as I'm editing, let me add this (which confuses many people)

the thing that "lactose intolerant" people can't digest is lactOse - with an "o". OOOOOOOhhh, my belly hurts.

the thing that digests lactose is lactAse - yAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAy!



 

SagaLore

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Originally posted by: SunnyD
Originally posted by: SagaLore
Why would you want to feed her a cheese-like product if she's incapable of eating cheese? People's eating habits later in life are based on their experiences as children, so wouldn't it be better to just remove cheese from her diet, as if it never existed?

Because she knows what cheese tastes like and enjoys a good cheeseburger? Good lord, it's a simple concept. If there's an adequate substitute, there's no sense in not using it (Hell, the chemical industry agrees, re: HFCS, aspartame, etc).

You win the "Stupidest statement of the day" award. :roll:

Interesting examples, since those are horribly bad for our health.

If you think your request makes nutritional sense then by all means, feed her some artificial plastic equivalent of a food product that people today already eat too much of.