Need a list of chemicals.

[Xyclone]

Originally posted by: SinfulWeeper

Originally posted by: hscorpio

Originally posted by: SinfulWeeper

Originally posted by: marincounty
Here's an interesting article for you:
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Pot Smoking Not Linked to Lung Cancer
Study Shows No Increased Risk for Even the Heaviest Marijuana Smokers
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I would almost believe that if someone I knew did not die of lung cancer. He never smoked cigarettes, only marijuana.

There are other causes of lung cancer besides tobacco smoke. A quick search shows approximately 10% of lung cancer cases occur in non-smokers.

I am aware of this and will give the benefit of the doubt.
It should be worthwhile to report that none of his family ever developed any form of cancer. As far as I know he never worked in a place that would put him regularly in contact with any kind of carcinogen. He was smoking pot since the age of 12 though. He died @ 29.
I do suppose it is possible, however unlikely that he got the cancer for some oddball reason what none of us will ever know.

Did he smoke all day, every day?

 

[sonambulo]

Originally posted by: SinfulWeeperYou ever grow your own tobacco? Then you can probably say the same. Most people who buy pot to get high buy it from someone else who got it from the growers. To get yield, much like tobacco, you have to use plant growth stuff. Who knows what makes it grow so fast?, I certainly do not.

Back in high school in the science class a friend of mine had put a marijuana seed in with the other plants that were growing all using the same soil. I can assure you, it grew slow. In fact it took the teacher 5 weeks after first sprouting to even realize it was a pot plant. It was quickly put to death.

Miracle grow or cow shit plus hydroponics. Plants have very different germination times. Plant your corn early and all.

 

[imported_hscorpio]

Originally posted by: SinfulWeeper

Originally posted by: hscorpio

Originally posted by: SinfulWeeper

Originally posted by: marincounty
Here's an interesting article for you:
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Pot Smoking Not Linked to Lung Cancer
Study Shows No Increased Risk for Even the Heaviest Marijuana Smokers
--- snip---

I would almost believe that if someone I knew did not die of lung cancer. He never smoked cigarettes, only marijuana.

There are other causes of lung cancer besides tobacco smoke. A quick search shows approximately 10% of lung cancer cases occur in non-smokers.

I am aware of this and will give the benefit of the doubt.
It should be worthwhile to report that none of his family ever developed any form of cancer. As far as I know he never worked in a place that would put him regularly in contact with any kind of carcinogen. He was smoking pot since the age of 12 though. He died @ 29.
I do suppose it is possible, however unlikely that he got the cancer for some oddball reason what none of us will ever know.

Damn, that sucks, he died way too young 🙁

 

[SinfulWeeper]

Originally posted by: Xyclone

Originally posted by: SinfulWeeper

Originally posted by: marincounty
Here's an interesting article for you:
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Pot Smoking Not Linked to Lung Cancer
Study Shows No Increased Risk for Even the Heaviest Marijuana Smokers
May 23, 2006 -- People who smoke marijuana do not appear to be at increased risk for developing lung cancerlung cancer, new research suggests.

While a clear increase in cancercancer risk was seen among cigarette smokers in the study, no such association was seen for regular cannabis users.

Even very heavy, long-term marijuana users who had smoked more than 22,000 joints over a lifetime seemed to have no greater risk than infrequent marijuana users or nonusers.

The findings surprised the study?s researchers, who expected to see an increase in cancer among people who smoked marijuana regularly in their youth.

?We know that there are as many or more carcinogens and co-carcinogens in marijuana smoke as in cigarettes,? researcher Donald Tashkin, MD, of UCLA?s David Geffen School of Medicine tells WebMD. ?But we did not find any evidence for an increase in cancer risk for even heavy marijuana smoking.? Carcinogens are substances that cause cancer.

Tashkin presented the findings today at The American Thoracic Society?s 102nd International Conference, held in San Diego.Boomers Reaching Cancer Age

The study population was limited to people who were younger than 60 because people older than that would probably not have used marijuana in their teens and early adult years.

?People who may have smoked marijuana in their youth are just now getting to the age when cancers are being seen,? Tashkin says.

A total of 611 lung cancer patients living in Los Angeles County, and 601 patients with other cancers of the head and neck were compared with 1,040 people without cancer matched for age, sex, and the neighborhood they lived in.

All the participants were asked about lifetime use of marijuana, tobacco, and alcohol, as well as other drugs, their diets, occupation, family history of lung cancer, and socioeconomic status.

The heaviest marijuana users in the study had smoked more than 22,000 joints, while moderately heavy smokers had smoked between 11,000 and 22,000 joints.

While two-pack-a-day or more cigarette smokers were found to have a 20-fold increase in lung cancer risk, no elevation in risk was seen for even the very heaviest marijuana smokers.

The more tobacco a person smoked, the greater their risk of developing lung cancer and other cancers of the head and neck. But people who smoked more marijuana were not at increased risk compared with people who smoked less and people who didn?t smoke at all.
Cellular studies and even some studies in animal models suggest that THC has antitumor properties, either by encouraging the death of genetically damaged cells that can become cancerous or by restricting the development of the blood supply that feeds tumors, Tashkin tells WebMD.

In a review of the research published last fall, University of Colorado molecular biologist Robert Melamede, PhD, concluded that the THC in cannabis seems to lessen the tumor-promoting properties of marijuana smoke.

I would almost believe that if someone I knew did not die of lung cancer. He never smoked cigarettes, only marijuana.

Besides, 22000 joints is a pretty small number for these patients having admit it. Odds are they probably can not accurately remember how much they smoked cause their brains were cooked.
A pack of cigarettes a day = 7700 cigaretes per year. Most smokers get cancer/emphizema after 30+ years of smoking unless they are really heavy smokers and also work in a place where second hand smoke is common.
It's common knowledge most heavy pot smokers cant remember what happened 20 minutes ago, you honestly expect them to remember how much pot they smoked in their life? 22000 might have sounded like a big number to them, but I would expect they had at least 6x that amount at minimum.

How many pack-a-day joint smokers do you know? 😕

Well, I would not say pack a day. More like a quarter ounce a day. How many joints is a quarter ounce? Or how many bowls is it? For the quarter ounce a day people, I know 7 of them. How they get the money to smoke that much is really beyond me.
I smoke 3/4 a pack of cigs a day. Thats only $4 a pack. A quarter around my part of the world is $125.

 

[Darwin333]

Originally posted by: Xyclone

Originally posted by: SinfulWeeper

Originally posted by: marincounty
Here's an interesting article for you:
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Pot Smoking Not Linked to Lung Cancer
Study Shows No Increased Risk for Even the Heaviest Marijuana Smokers
May 23, 2006 -- People who smoke marijuana do not appear to be at increased risk for developing lung cancerlung cancer, new research suggests.

While a clear increase in cancercancer risk was seen among cigarette smokers in the study, no such association was seen for regular cannabis users.

Even very heavy, long-term marijuana users who had smoked more than 22,000 joints over a lifetime seemed to have no greater risk than infrequent marijuana users or nonusers.

The findings surprised the study?s researchers, who expected to see an increase in cancer among people who smoked marijuana regularly in their youth.

?We know that there are as many or more carcinogens and co-carcinogens in marijuana smoke as in cigarettes,? researcher Donald Tashkin, MD, of UCLA?s David Geffen School of Medicine tells WebMD. ?But we did not find any evidence for an increase in cancer risk for even heavy marijuana smoking.? Carcinogens are substances that cause cancer.

Tashkin presented the findings today at The American Thoracic Society?s 102nd International Conference, held in San Diego.Boomers Reaching Cancer Age

The study population was limited to people who were younger than 60 because people older than that would probably not have used marijuana in their teens and early adult years.

?People who may have smoked marijuana in their youth are just now getting to the age when cancers are being seen,? Tashkin says.

A total of 611 lung cancer patients living in Los Angeles County, and 601 patients with other cancers of the head and neck were compared with 1,040 people without cancer matched for age, sex, and the neighborhood they lived in.

All the participants were asked about lifetime use of marijuana, tobacco, and alcohol, as well as other drugs, their diets, occupation, family history of lung cancer, and socioeconomic status.

The heaviest marijuana users in the study had smoked more than 22,000 joints, while moderately heavy smokers had smoked between 11,000 and 22,000 joints.

While two-pack-a-day or more cigarette smokers were found to have a 20-fold increase in lung cancer risk, no elevation in risk was seen for even the very heaviest marijuana smokers.

The more tobacco a person smoked, the greater their risk of developing lung cancer and other cancers of the head and neck. But people who smoked more marijuana were not at increased risk compared with people who smoked less and people who didn?t smoke at all.
Cellular studies and even some studies in animal models suggest that THC has antitumor properties, either by encouraging the death of genetically damaged cells that can become cancerous or by restricting the development of the blood supply that feeds tumors, Tashkin tells WebMD.

In a review of the research published last fall, University of Colorado molecular biologist Robert Melamede, PhD, concluded that the THC in cannabis seems to lessen the tumor-promoting properties of marijuana smoke.

I would almost believe that if someone I knew did not die of lung cancer. He never smoked cigarettes, only marijuana.

Besides, 22000 joints is a pretty small number for these patients having admit it. Odds are they probably can not accurately remember how much they smoked cause their brains were cooked.
A pack of cigarettes a day = 7700 cigaretes per year. Most smokers get cancer/emphizema after 30+ years of smoking unless they are really heavy smokers and also work in a place where second hand smoke is common.
It's common knowledge most heavy pot smokers cant remember what happened 20 minutes ago, you honestly expect them to remember how much pot they smoked in their life? 22000 might have sounded like a big number to them, but I would expect they had at least 6x that amount at minimum.

How many pack-a-day joint smokers do you know? 😕

Not to mention cigarette sized joints.

 

[Xyclone]

Originally posted by: SinfulWeeper

Originally posted by: Xyclone

Originally posted by: SinfulWeeper

Originally posted by: marincounty
Here's an interesting article for you:
Text

Pot Smoking Not Linked to Lung Cancer
Study Shows No Increased Risk for Even the Heaviest Marijuana Smokers
May 23, 2006 -- People who smoke marijuana do not appear to be at increased risk for developing lung cancerlung cancer, new research suggests.

While a clear increase in cancercancer risk was seen among cigarette smokers in the study, no such association was seen for regular cannabis users.

Even very heavy, long-term marijuana users who had smoked more than 22,000 joints over a lifetime seemed to have no greater risk than infrequent marijuana users or nonusers.

The findings surprised the study?s researchers, who expected to see an increase in cancer among people who smoked marijuana regularly in their youth.

?We know that there are as many or more carcinogens and co-carcinogens in marijuana smoke as in cigarettes,? researcher Donald Tashkin, MD, of UCLA?s David Geffen School of Medicine tells WebMD. ?But we did not find any evidence for an increase in cancer risk for even heavy marijuana smoking.? Carcinogens are substances that cause cancer.

Tashkin presented the findings today at The American Thoracic Society?s 102nd International Conference, held in San Diego.Boomers Reaching Cancer Age

The study population was limited to people who were younger than 60 because people older than that would probably not have used marijuana in their teens and early adult years.

?People who may have smoked marijuana in their youth are just now getting to the age when cancers are being seen,? Tashkin says.

A total of 611 lung cancer patients living in Los Angeles County, and 601 patients with other cancers of the head and neck were compared with 1,040 people without cancer matched for age, sex, and the neighborhood they lived in.

All the participants were asked about lifetime use of marijuana, tobacco, and alcohol, as well as other drugs, their diets, occupation, family history of lung cancer, and socioeconomic status.

The heaviest marijuana users in the study had smoked more than 22,000 joints, while moderately heavy smokers had smoked between 11,000 and 22,000 joints.

While two-pack-a-day or more cigarette smokers were found to have a 20-fold increase in lung cancer risk, no elevation in risk was seen for even the very heaviest marijuana smokers.

The more tobacco a person smoked, the greater their risk of developing lung cancer and other cancers of the head and neck. But people who smoked more marijuana were not at increased risk compared with people who smoked less and people who didn?t smoke at all.
Cellular studies and even some studies in animal models suggest that THC has antitumor properties, either by encouraging the death of genetically damaged cells that can become cancerous or by restricting the development of the blood supply that feeds tumors, Tashkin tells WebMD.

In a review of the research published last fall, University of Colorado molecular biologist Robert Melamede, PhD, concluded that the THC in cannabis seems to lessen the tumor-promoting properties of marijuana smoke.

I would almost believe that if someone I knew did not die of lung cancer. He never smoked cigarettes, only marijuana.

Besides, 22000 joints is a pretty small number for these patients having admit it. Odds are they probably can not accurately remember how much they smoked cause their brains were cooked.
A pack of cigarettes a day = 7700 cigaretes per year. Most smokers get cancer/emphizema after 30+ years of smoking unless they are really heavy smokers and also work in a place where second hand smoke is common.
It's common knowledge most heavy pot smokers cant remember what happened 20 minutes ago, you honestly expect them to remember how much pot they smoked in their life? 22000 might have sounded like a big number to them, but I would expect they had at least 6x that amount at minimum.

How many pack-a-day joint smokers do you know? 😕

Well, I would not say pack a day. More like a quarter ounce a day. How many joints is a quarter ounce? Or how many bowls is it? For the quarter ounce a day people, I know 7 of them. How they get the money to smoke that much is really beyond me.
I smoke 3/4 a pack of cigs a day. Thats only $4 a pack. A quarter around my part of the world is $125.

Quantity smoked HIGHLY depends on quality. Here in California, dank (very high quality weed) is available at every corner. New smokers will get high off of just one hit, while people who are experienced will need 5-7. The same cannot be said about mids (mid-quality), or shwag (very low THC). An eighth of an ounce of dank will run you between $55-65, while ounces of shwag are available for under $100.

I don't know how many joints or bowls a quarter is, since people pack different sizes. Most people I know will roll about 0.2g into a joint, which will get 2-3 experienced (high tolerance) people high. So, that comes out to about 35 joints per quarter. Smoking higher quality marijuana is obviously better for you (you smoke WAY less). After you're as high as can be, smoking more just wastes weed, and explains how some people go through an ounce in less than a week.

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: SinfulWeeper
Well, I would not say pack a day. More like a quarter ounce a day. How many joints is a quarter ounce? Or how many bowls is it? For the quarter ounce a day people, I know 7 of them. How they get the money to smoke that much is really beyond me.
I smoke 3/4 a pack of cigs a day. Thats only $4 a pack. A quarter around my part of the world is $125.

Then you know seven idiots. A quarter is a stupid amount of weed to consume in one day. I don't care how chronic someone is. That's just DUMB. If it is good weed, it is also a TERRIBLE WASTE of good weed. Just sayin'.

Also, you're getting ANAL RAPED on what you pay for pot. BADLY

 

[mattocs]

Originally posted by: Auric
sugar
spice
everything nice

 

[destrekor]

I found a great article, from 2000, that is about research and the definite anti-tumor/anticancer properties of THC. Its on JSTOR, and requires you to 'log in' as an institution that has authorized access to the JSTOR database. Ohio State is one such school, and I've used the place numerous times for assorted papers. Great database.

due to photobucket resizing the images of the articles, I cannot save y'all the hassle. but without a proper photo hosting place, this is the best I can do. every way I try and link y'all, it requires an OSU password.
page 1
page 2

again, best I can do. small text, but maybe drop your monitor's resolution temporarily?
good read though, lot of terminology but you can get the idea.

to sum it up: THC has anti-tumor properties, especially in any hormone-controlled organ (breasts, ovaries, testes, pituitary gland, pancreas, etc etc), and also helped with tumors in other locations.

 

[loup garou]

Originally posted by: SinfulWeeper
Well, I would not say pack a day. More like a quarter ounce a day. How many joints is a quarter ounce? Or how many bowls is it? For the quarter ounce a day people, I know 7 of them. How they get the money to smoke that much is really beyond me.
I smoke 3/4 a pack of cigs a day. Thats only $4 a pack. A quarter around my part of the world is $125.

:roll:

 

[Xyclone]

Originally posted by: SinfulWeeper
Well, I would not say pack a day. More like a quarter ounce a day. How many joints is a quarter ounce? Or how many bowls is it? For the quarter ounce a day people, I know 7 of them. How they get the money to smoke that much is really beyond me.
I smoke 3/4 a pack of cigs a day. Thats only $4 a pack. A quarter around my part of the world is $125.

You're worried about the chemicals found in marijuana, but you smoke 15 cigarettes a day? WTF?

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: meltdown75

Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante

Originally posted by: marincounty
Here's a link to some of the chemicals found in marijuana smoke:
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B.Mainstream Smoke
I. Gas Phase Units Marijuana Tobacco
Carbon Monoxide % 3.99 4.58
mg 17.6 20.2
Carbon Dioxide % 8.27 9.38
mg 57.3 65.0
Ammonia mcg 228 199
HCN mcg 532 498
Cyanogen (CN)2 mcg 19 20
Isoprene mcg 83 310
Acetaldehyde mcg 1200 980
Acetone mcg 443 578
Acrolein mcg 92 85
Acetonitrilebenzene mcg 132 123
Benzene mcg 76 67
Toluene mcg 112 108
Vinyl chloride ng 5.4 12.4
Dimethylnitrosamine ng 75 84
Methylethylnitrosamine ng 27 30
pH, third puff 6.56 6.14
fifth puff 6.57 6.15
seventh puff 6.58 6.14
ninth puff 6.56 6.10
tenth puff 6.58 6.02

Yay for bongs.

I'd like to know what bongs filter out, or if they just filter out a % of everything. educamater me, someone in ATOT stoner land.

pulls out the Tar same thing it does to tabacco

 

[imported_hscorpio]

Originally posted by: destrekor
I found a great article, from 2000, that is about research and the definite anti-tumor/anticancer properties of THC. Its on JSTOR, and requires you to 'log in' as an institution that has authorized access to the JSTOR database. Ohio State is one such school, and I've used the place numerous times for assorted papers. Great database.

Do you have access to the articles I posted earlier?

Ross SA, Elsohly MA. 1995. Constituents of Cannabis sativa L. XXVIII. A review of the natural constituents: 1980?1994. Zagazig Journal for Pharmaceutical Sciences 4:1?10
and
Chemical constituents of marijuana: the complex mixture of natural cannabinoids

 

[imported_hscorpio]

Originally posted by: SinfulWeeper
Well, I would not say pack a day. More like a quarter ounce a day. How many joints is a quarter ounce? Or how many bowls is it? For the quarter ounce a day people, I know 7 of them. How they get the money to smoke that much is really beyond me.
I smoke 3/4 a pack of cigs a day. Thats only $4 a pack. A quarter around my part of the world is $125.

How old are you and these people? I would be very skeptical of someone claiming to smoke a 1/4 ounce per day. I would be ten times more skeptical if its a teenager. Younger people tend to exaggerate how much weed they smoke in a pathetic attempt to look cool, similar to the way some people try to brag about how much alcohol they drink.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: hscorpio

Originally posted by: destrekor
I found a great article, from 2000, that is about research and the definite anti-tumor/anticancer properties of THC. Its on JSTOR, and requires you to 'log in' as an institution that has authorized access to the JSTOR database. Ohio State is one such school, and I've used the place numerous times for assorted papers. Great database.

Do you have access to the articles I posted earlier?

Ross SA, Elsohly MA. 1995. Constituents of Cannabis sativa L. XXVIII. A review of the natural constituents: 1980?1994. Zagazig Journal for Pharmaceutical Sciences 4:1?10
and
Chemical constituents of marijuana: the complex mixture of natural cannabinoids

can't find them, on JSTOR or the other databases. might be there and might not be searching that well, but i don't feel like putting a lot of effort into it. sorry 😉

 

[marincounty]

Originally posted by: hscorpio

Originally posted by: SinfulWeeper
Well, I would not say pack a day. More like a quarter ounce a day. How many joints is a quarter ounce? Or how many bowls is it? For the quarter ounce a day people, I know 7 of them. How they get the money to smoke that much is really beyond me.
I smoke 3/4 a pack of cigs a day. Thats only $4 a pack. A quarter around my part of the world is $125.

How old are you and these people? I would be very skeptical of someone claiming to smoke a 1/4 ounce per day. I would be ten times more skeptical if its a teenager. Younger people tend to exaggerate how much weed they smoke in a pathetic attempt to look cool, similar to the way some people try to brag about how much alcohol they drink.

I know at least two people that smoke about 1/4 ounce per day. And one of them is a millionaire businessman. Both of them are productive people running businesses.

 

[Xyclone]

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: hscorpio

Originally posted by: SinfulWeeper
Well, I would not say pack a day. More like a quarter ounce a day. How many joints is a quarter ounce? Or how many bowls is it? For the quarter ounce a day people, I know 7 of them. How they get the money to smoke that much is really beyond me.
I smoke 3/4 a pack of cigs a day. Thats only $4 a pack. A quarter around my part of the world is $125.

How old are you and these people? I would be very skeptical of someone claiming to smoke a 1/4 ounce per day. I would be ten times more skeptical if its a teenager. Younger people tend to exaggerate how much weed they smoke in a pathetic attempt to look cool, similar to the way some people try to brag about how much alcohol they drink.

I know at least two people that smoke about 1/4 ounce per day. And one of them is a millionaire businessman. Both of them are productive people running businesses.

As I said, smoking more weed after you're high is a waste of weed. You cannot overdose on it, so smoking too much isn't dangerous, it's simply a waste. The cost of weed doesn't really matter to anyone with a decent job, let alone a millionaire. You can smoke a blunt filled with an ounce, but you'll just fall asleep before it's done.

Btw, regular smokers I know go through an eighth in 3 days to a week. Maybe your friends are smoking mid-to-low quality weed?

 

[DangerAardvark]

Pot lollipops FTW.

 

[Xyclone]

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
Pot lollipops FTW.

Those are just weed flavored.

 

[Oceandevi]

Burning organic matter and inhaling the smoke produced is bad for you.

And I also like how the OP's friend claims that a natural plant can have no chemicals in it.

Smoke some MJ and then ask yourself what it contains.

 

[imported_hscorpio]

Originally posted by: Xyclone

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
Pot lollipops FTW.

Those are just weed flavored.

The ones sold in cali pot clubs for medical use are for real. The ones you see on the news called 'chronic candy' are the non-thc containing ones.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: Xyclone

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: hscorpio

Originally posted by: SinfulWeeper
Well, I would not say pack a day. More like a quarter ounce a day. How many joints is a quarter ounce? Or how many bowls is it? For the quarter ounce a day people, I know 7 of them. How they get the money to smoke that much is really beyond me.
I smoke 3/4 a pack of cigs a day. Thats only $4 a pack. A quarter around my part of the world is $125.

How old are you and these people? I would be very skeptical of someone claiming to smoke a 1/4 ounce per day. I would be ten times more skeptical if its a teenager. Younger people tend to exaggerate how much weed they smoke in a pathetic attempt to look cool, similar to the way some people try to brag about how much alcohol they drink.

I know at least two people that smoke about 1/4 ounce per day. And one of them is a millionaire businessman. Both of them are productive people running businesses.

As I said, smoking more weed after you're high is a waste of weed. You cannot overdose on it, so smoking too much isn't dangerous, it's simply a waste. The cost of weed doesn't really matter to anyone with a decent job, let alone a millionaire. You can smoke a blunt filled with an ounce, but you'll just fall asleep before it's done.

Btw, regular smokers I know go through an eighth in 3 days to a week. Maybe your friends are smoking mid-to-low quality weed?

a 1/4 can eaisily be smoked in a day by 1 person, you would be high the entire day but its not that uncommon, hell ive smoked out of bongs that you could almost pack an 1/8th in at once

there are efficient and inefficient ways to smoke
joints are efficient
bongs are not

 

[IceBergSLiM]

fact is if pot smoke was deadly. There would be no more jamaicans.

 

[Marinski]

whos smokin dat purple shit?

 

[Xyclone]

Originally posted by: hscorpio

Originally posted by: Xyclone

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
Pot lollipops FTW.

Those are just weed flavored.

The ones sold in cali pot clubs for medical use are for real. The ones you see on the news called 'chronic candy' are the non-thc containing ones.

Can that much get you high? My, um, friend bought a couple of brownies from a Cali clinic, and one of those got him very high. But it's a brownie, not a small lollipop.