Nebraska gets a free pass for voting for health care

[shadow9d9]

Here is a little info on passing civil rights reform-

"The bill came before the full Senate for debate on March 30, 1964 and the "Southern Bloc" of southern Senators led by Richard Russell (D-GA) launched a filibuster to prevent its passage. Said Russell: "We will resist to the bitter end any measure or any movement which would have a tendency to bring about social equality and intermingling and amalgamation of the races in our (Southern) states."[5]

After 54 days of filibuster, Senators Everett Dirksen (R-IL), Thomas Kuchel (R-CA), Hubert Humphrey (D-MN), and Mike Mansfield (D-MT) introduced a substitute bill that they hoped would attract enough Republican votes to end the filibuster. The compromise bill was weaker than the House version in regard to government power to regulate the conduct of private business, but it was not so weak as to cause the House to reconsider the legislation.[6]

On the morning of June 10, 1964, Senator Robert Byrd (D-W.Va.) completed an address that he had begun 14 hours and 13 minutes earlier opposing the legislation. Until then, the measure had occupied the Senate for 57 working days, including six Saturdays. A day earlier, Democratic Whip Hubert Humphrey of Minnesota, the bill's manager, concluded he had the 67 votes required at that time to end the debate and end the filibuster. With six wavering senators providing a four-vote victory margin, the final tally stood at 71 to 29. Never in history had the Senate been able to muster enough votes to cut off a filibuster on a civil rights bill. And only once in the 37 years since 1927 had it agreed to cloture for any measure.[7]"

Sound familiar?

 

[Darwin333]

Sixty-eight percent (68%) of those in the president’s party favor it according to Rasmussen.. considering the Democrats are now the majority in power, I think this represents the people.

Wow, people that have similar views as you do.... have similar views??? I'll be damned who would thunk it? BTW, I would think that 68% is pretty low when you are only polling people that agree with you.

Come on, this craptastic bill is going to pass so at the very least yall, and the Dems in general, should be able to tone back on the bullshit a bit, eh?

 

[shadow9d9]

So your "conspiracy theory" claim is simply an ad hominem which you threw out there despite knowing with absolute certainty that the "theory" was actually correct? Just checking. :ninja:

"Conspiracy theories are viewed with skepticism and often ridiculed because they are seldom supported by any conclusive evidence "

You have only made a claim without a shred of proof. You are pushing a conspiracy theory.

Provide the proof for your claim. Only then can you be considered anything other than a joke here.

 

[Modelworks]

One week vs my 9 different periods.

You guys love playing around. Stop trying to pretend that "death panels" and other BS scare tactics aren't affecting polls.

Do you really think that people last year knew what the bill would be now ?
PUBLISH the bill if it is so good and fair.

 

[Craig234]

How is what I said a conspiracy? Can you explain how any insurance company will be able to break even, let alone turn a profit, under the conditions of this bill?

You explain why they couldn't? You don't seem to understand this is the sellout bill to give th industry what it wants, to get its backing - new government-coerced customers for profit.

This bill may require companies to accept pre-existing conditions, but it does so for all companies so there's no competitive problem, and they can set their rates as high as tthey need for profit.

They can also charge such people up to 300% more - Howard Dean's state caps that at 20%.

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Peoples' opinions are discounted if they are a year later? Do you not understand trends?

Curiously absent is any polls from 2009...wonder why that is? Say it ain't so...you purposely didn't use any RECENT polls because the TREND is now quickly moving away and people are majorly opposed to the current health care proposals?! That people are majorly opposed to any sort of government-run/single-payer system?! Naw, couldn't be! A "progressive liberal" intentionally hiding the facts that would destroy his supposed "superior" position!... /snicker :awe:

Is the "debate settled now" on health care too since the Democrats won the election in 2008?

The far-left is frothing at the mouth and descending further into lunacy now with their supposed "complete control throughout all perpetuity". Let's just hope we can survive another year of this and hopefully get some balance (and sanity) back.

 

[Jaskalas]

So will you cling to your party and defend it or say "this is not what I believe in. This is wrong. I will not support these people"

I'll wager that in short order this will be completely forgotten except for the occasional grumble and like too many abused women go right back home.

I completely agreed with your post, and I reflected it in my vote last election.

Some might believe that being a lap dog is to stay relevant, is to stay powerful, I am no lap dog. I bite.

Shame more of us don't feel this way, or both Rs and Ds would be hurting right now.

 

[shadow9d9]

Wow, people that have similar views as you do.... have similar views??? I'll be damned who would thunk it? BTW, I would think that 68% is pretty low when you are only polling people that agree with you.

Come on, this craptastic bill is going to pass so at the very least yall, and the Dems in general, should be able to tone back on the bullshit a bit, eh?

I guess the whole country has the "same views as me" because they voted in a democratic majority and overwhelmingly voted this president with this agenda. Obama even won in states that hadn't voted democratic in 40+ years. The same people who voted in a democrat to the House in a place that hadn't voted democrat since the civil war.

 

[shadow9d9]

Curiously absent is any polls from 2009...wonder why that is? Say it ain't so...you purposely didn't use any RECENT polls because the TREND is now quickly moving away and people are majorly opposed to the current health care proposals?! That people are majorly opposed to any sort of government-run/single-payer system?! Naw, couldn't be! A "progressive liberal" intentionally hiding the facts that would destroy his supposed "superior" position!... /snicker :awe:

Is the "debate settled now" on health care too since the Democrats won the election in 2008?

The far-left is frothing at the mouth and descending further into lunacy now with their supposed "complete control throughout all perpetuity". Let's just hope we can survive another year of this and hopefully get some balance (and sanity) back.

Try again.

I gave 2009 polls.

Reading helps. Do they teach it in hicksville?

And there isn't even a "left" in this country, let alone a "far left." There is the middle and there is bible country america. We are a joke to the rest of the world socially.


I'll repeat it again for people without reading skills.

Enjoy snickering while reading the links already provided...

Link
July
2009 Time Magazine Would you favor or oppose a program that creates a national single-payer plan similar to Medicare for all, in which the government would provide healthcare insurance to all Americans?
Favor 49%, Oppose 46%, NA/DK 5%

Link

Feb.
2009
Grove Insight Opinion Research "When given a choice of the current system or one "like Medicare that is run by the government and financed by taxpayers," voters overwhelmingly chose the latter. A solid majority (59%) say they would prefer a national health insurance program that covers everyone, over the current system of private insurance offered to most through their emloyer."
Link

Feb.
2009
New York Times/CBS News Poll Americans are more likely today to embrace the idea of the government providing health insurance than they were 30 years ago. 59% say the government should provide national health insurance, including 49% who say such insurance should cover all medical problems.

 

[shadow9d9]

Do you really think that people last year knew what the bill would be now ?
PUBLISH the bill if it is so good and fair.

I posted 3 polls from this year over different periods.

Unfortunately, what people liked the most have been compromised by the republicans removing themselves from any contribution, therefore giving lieberman and a handful of hick democrats leverage.

8 months and 75 years is plenty of time.

Let them publish the 800 BILLION DOLLAR FOR THIS YEAR ALONE empire building bill.

Where are your demands for that?

 

[Patranus]

You believe that the states that wanted to keep the following should be used as representative of the future of America?:

Slavery
No women voting
No unions
No desegregation
No inter-racial marriage
No equal rights
No Civil rights

I followed up with plenty of polls including everyone, including the hicks.

Nice straw man.
Equal access vs a made up right are two separate issues and are not related in any way.

 

[shadow9d9]

Nice straw man.
Equal access vs a made up right are two separate issues and are not related in any way.

Reality hurts.

Fear of change from the hick south has been constant.

I asked a question... do you want us to take a group of people seriously after they opposed the above change? They are the SAME PEOPLE. Those people are STILL ALIVE AND PUSHING their opinions. You think we should take them seriously!? Oh.. you are one of them.. I understand.

 

[Modelworks]

I guess the whole country has the "same views as me" because they voted in a democratic majority and overwhelmingly voted this president with this agenda. Obama even won in states that hadn't voted democratic in 40+ years. The same people who voted in a democrat to the House in a place that hadn't voted democrat since the civil war.

yeah he is really well liked alright. As I said, politicians say anything before being elected. They rarely do what they say.

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Try again.

I gave 2009 polls.

Reading helps. Do they teach it in hicksville?

Ah, forgive me, you posted them in another post...it's easy to miss when all I see is a wall of "This message is hidden because shadow9d9 is on your ignore list."

Curious how you quote Rasmussen in showing that 62% of Democrats support UHC/single-payer, yet don't show the overall poll from Rasmussen that shows the majority of AMERCIANS oppose government-run/single-payer health care.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...9/32_favor_single_payer_health_care_57_oppose

"32% Favor Single-Payer Health Care, 57% Oppose

Thirty-two percent (32%) of voters nationwide favor a single-payer health care system where the federal government provides coverage for everyone. A Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 57% are opposed to a single-payer plan.

Fifty-two percent (52%) believe such a system would lead to a lower quality of care while 13% believe care would improve. Twenty-seven percent (27%) think that the quality of care would remain about the same.

Forty-five percent (45%) also say a single-payer system would lead to higher health care costs while 24% think lower costs would result. Nineteen percent (19%) think prices would remain about the same."

Aha...there is your magical item...paragraph four in the article.

"There's wide political disagreement over the single-payer issue. Sixty-two percent (62%) of Democrats favor a single-payer system, but 87% of Republicans are opposed to one. As for those not affiliated with either major party, 22% favor a single-payer approach while 63% are opposed."

Notice the INDEPENDENT opposition to government-run/single-payer? It is a widely known FACT that the Independent vote largely carried Obama to the White House in 2008. Ouch.

Cherry-pick your data much? Wonder why that is...:hmm:

And the LOLs continue.

 

[Patranus]

Reality hurts.

Fear of change from the hick south has been constant.

I asked a question... do you want us to take a group of people seriously after they opposed the above change? They are the SAME PEOPLE. Those people are STILL ALIVE AND PUSHING their opinions. You think we should take them seriously!? Oh.. you are one of them.. I understand.

You might want to read a history book. It was the Democrats who opposed civil rights legislation. It was a Democratic Senator who was a member of the KKK who wanted to stop this.

Oh, ya, and that Democratic Senator, who was a member of the KKK was also the DNC chairman AND HE IS STILL IN THE SENATE.

But don't let facts get in your way.

 

[shadow9d9]

Against civil rights-

"On the morning of June 10, 1964, Senator Robert Byrd (D-W.Va.) completed an address that he had begun 14 hours and 13 minutes earlier opposing the legislation."

THIS IS THE SAME SENATOR HERE NOW that still calls himself a democrat.. part of the hick democrats that watered down this bill. If he is a democrat, how can you even THINK that the republicans have any interest in this?

 

[shadow9d9]

yeah he is really well liked alright. As I said, politicians say anything before being elected. They rarely do what they say.

Doesn't discredit anything I said.

 

[shadow9d9]

You might want to read a history book. It was the Democrats who opposed civil rights legislation. It was a Democratic Senator who was a member of the KKK who wanted to stop this.

Oh, ya, and that Democratic Senator, who was a member of the KKK was also the DNC chairman AND HE IS STILL IN THE SENATE.

But don't let facts get in your way.

Yes, he is. And you still consider him a part of the "supermajority" of democrats in control. Being disingenuous is your game.

 

[Modelworks]

Doesn't discredit anything I said.

You need professional help.

 

[sciwizam]

I posted 3 polls from this year over different periods.

You posted polls that cover 2 different periods in 2009, the most recent of which is July and none of them about their opinion of the bill being passed.

 

[shadow9d9]

Ah, forgive me, you posted them in another post...it's easy to miss when all I see is a wall of "This message is hidden because shadow9d9 is on your ignore list."

Curious how you quote Rasmussen in showing that 62% of Democrats support UHC/single-payer, yet don't show the overall poll from Rasmussen that shows the majority of AMERCIANS oppose government-run/single-payer health care.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...9/32_favor_single_payer_health_care_57_oppose

"32% Favor Single-Payer Health Care, 57% Oppose

Thirty-two percent (32%) of voters nationwide favor a single-payer health care system where the federal government provides coverage for everyone. A Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 57% are opposed to a single-payer plan.

Fifty-two percent (52%) believe such a system would lead to a lower quality of care while 13% believe care would improve. Twenty-seven percent (27%) think that the quality of care would remain about the same.

Forty-five percent (45%) also say a single-payer system would lead to higher health care costs while 24% think lower costs would result. Nineteen percent (19%) think prices would remain about the same."

Cherry-pick your data much? Wonder why that is...:hmm:

And the LOLs continue.

So, you were wrong.. and so you make excuses. /snicker

Then you played the "I'm ignoring you, but I have to tell you I am ignoring you" game. Which means, you aren't ignoring me.. but you want to sound all tough. I am sure impressed!

Your poll doesn't beat my 9 polls. Keep trying though. We could play this quote the polls game all day.

 

[shadow9d9]

You posted polls that cover 2 different periods in 2009, the most recent of which is July and none of them about their opinion of the bill being passed.

The current bill has been watered down by republican obstructionism, an independent republican, and "democrats" that voted against civil rights in the 60s.

You are right, the american people do NOT like compromise. That is life. Doesn't prove the point you think you are making.

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Your poll doesn't beat my 9 polls. Keep trying though. We could play this quote the polls game all day.

I used the same Rasmussen poll that you tried to use to show your magical "62% of Democrats favor single-payer!" ridiculous point.

BTW, my one poll is more recent than ALL of the polls you listed! I will post the link again, since you conveniently and willfully ignored all the valid points I made in order to continue with the personal insults, attacks and stereotyping.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...9/32_favor_single_payer_health_care_57_oppose

"Monday, August 10, 2009"

This is too funny. You're not even really good at this...leave this kind of tomfoolery to Craig or somebody more experienced than yourself.

 

[shadow9d9]

"WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Independent Sen. Joe Lieberman, a former Democrat who sits with Democratic caucus, said Tuesday that he would not rule out running for re-election in 2012 as a Republican."

Hmm, could someone point me to this "supermajority" the Democrats have? Still waiting.

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

You posted polls that cover 2 different periods in 2009, the most recent of which is July and none of them about their opinion of the bill being passed.

He will never post anything that will destroy his position; he only cherry-picks the stuff that makes him "right". :awe: