Nebraska gets a free pass for voting for health care

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Ozoned

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Senator Harkin from Iowa has secured jack shiz...or atleast nothing that's been widely reported. However, he did admit that the endgame is socialized medicine. “What we’re getting here is a starter home. It’s got a good foundation,” and “But you can add additions as we go along in the future.” and “I have no doubt in my mind that at some point in time we are going to have to go to some kind of a public option, some kind of single-payer system to bring the costs down,"

What a lying sack of shit. Single-payer would do nothing to bring costs down without lessening the quality of care. But he is right about the left trying to ram this through because they know it'll be easier to add on incrementally. It's what socialists have been doing for decades - they just rarely admit it.

I voted for Nelson. I feel dirty.

Under the current bill and its excise tax on cadillac health plans, Nebraska's 15,000 freight railroad employee's will be sending approx. $40,000,000 per year to fund this trainwreck. So, in reality the $100,000,000 is nothing.

I hope someone points this out to him.
 

Ronstang

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He isn't doing anything. Obama's lack of leadership has allowed Congress and the lobbyist puppet-masters to run wild with proposed health care legislation. At this point it would be better to let the legislation die. We're going to have to let the current health care/insurance system finish off the economy before Americans finally start voting their self interests and elect folks who will implement reform.

Obama is nothing more thatn a speech giver, not a leader. He thinks by standing at a podium with a mic and camera in his face that all he needs to do is proclaim something and it will be so. He gets on the TV claiming how wonderful this new Senate bill is going to be for the American people.....and he hasn't even read it, no one has. He is about as much of a leader as the Queen in England.
 

Jhhnn

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What a lying sack of shit. Single-payer would do nothing to bring costs down without lessening the quality of care. But he is right about the left trying to ram this through because they know it'll be easier to add on incrementally. It's what socialists have been doing for decades - they just rarely admit it.

Assertion is not fact, CSG, but you apparently figure if one is made often enough, it becomes fact. Standard rightwing propaganda tactic.

If single payer socialized care won't bring down costs while maintaining or improving quality, perhaps you'd care to explain the French system- much less expensive than our own, widely held to be the best in the world, also offering universal coverage.

Or perhaps you doubt our ability to do things as well as the French?

With too many headsets like yours in the mix, you'd probably be right...
 

Jhhnn

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What are you calling Health Care reform?

For American Joe citizen; what has been accomplished that benefits him vs what he had last year.

What has made Health Care better for him and his family.
Is he able to get better care?
Is he able to get the same care for less cost?

If not, where is the reform.

What the bills have is a cost shifting from the have nots to the workers and/or taxpayers AGAIN with no benefit

I thought I've made it clear that I don't regard the Senate bill as reform, at all. I agree with Robert Reich that it's mostly a gift to big insurance.

I also think that the HOR version, with a public option, is the only way to keep insurance co's honest. If they can do it better for less, as privatization advocates have claimed for years, then they'll prevail. If not, they'll fade and some sort of modified single payer system will replace them.

If enacted, the senate version will allow big insurance to run roughshod over the market, using the govt as their posse. Costs will explode, and people won't put up with it, nor will the govt be able to support it for long. It'll be the last gasp for health insurance co's, so they'll make the most of it- bet on that.
 

MyThirdEye

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I keep getting calls on the landline from a private number about Ben Nelson. Very annoying.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Cash for Cloture
1. Sen. Ben Nelson’s “Cornhusker Kickback.” The CBO says the Nebraska Democrat sellout’s special Medicaid expansion subsidy will initially cost an estimated $100 million. The Hill reports that while Nelson credited Nebraska’s governor for giving him the idea to lobby for the government preference, Nebraska’s governor assailed the payoff:
“Nebraskans did not ask for a special deal, only a fair deal,” Heineman said in a statement Sunday. In response, Nelson fired off a letter Sunday to Heineman saying he’s prepared to ask that the provision covering Nebraska’s Medicaid share “be removed from the amendment in conference, if it is your desire.”

2. New England’s Special Syrup. Vermont and Massachusetts will get similar (though less generous) special treatment by the feds in covering Medicaid expansion costs. Combined with Nebraska’s tab, the exclusive clique’s payoffs will cost taxpayers $1.2 billion over 10 years. At least.

3. Corruptocrat Connecticut Sen. Chris Dodd’s Christmas wish. He’s plunging in the polls and in need of a little bacon to bring home.
A $100 million item for construction of a university hospital was inserted in the Senate health care bill at the request of Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., who faces a difficult re-election campaign, his office said Sunday night. The legislation leaves it up to the Health and Human Services Department to decide where the money should be spent, although spokesman Bryan DeAngelis said Dodd hopes to claim it for the University of Connecticut. The provision is included in a 383-page series of changes to the health care bill that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., outlined Saturday. …The one sought by Dodd provides $100 million for “a health care facility that provides research, inpatient tertiary care, or outpatient clinical services.” It must be affiliated with an academic health center at a public research university in the United States “that contains a State’s sole public academic medical and dental school.” The money can cover a maximum of 40 percent of the facility’s construction costs.
4. “Some insurers are more equal than others” tax exemption. The WSJ reports that nonprofit insurance companies will be exempt from a new, nearly $7 billion tax to pay for Demcare. Democrat Sens. Ben “Blank Check” Nelson and Carl Levin of Michigan pushed hard for the tax exemption, which will exempt insurers in their states.
5. The Frontier freebie. Several lucky states will see an increase in Medicare payments to hospitals and doctors, the NYT reports, — “where at least 50 percent of the counties are ‘frontier counties,’ defined as those having a population density less than six people per square mile. And which are the lucky states? The bill gives no clue. But the Congressional Budget Office has determined that Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Utah and Wyoming meet the criteria.”
6. More Democrat hospital bennies. Also via NYT: “Another provision of the bill would increase Medicare payments to certain “low-volume hospitals” treating limited numbers of Medicare patients. Senator Tom Harkin, Democrat of Iowa and chairman of the Senate health committee, said this ‘important fix’ would help midsize Iowa hospitals in Grinnell, Keokuk and Spirit Lake. Another item in Mr. Reid’s package specifies the data that Medicare officials should use in adjusting payments to hospitals to reflect local wage levels. The officials can use certain new data only if it produces a higher index and therefore higher Medicare payments for these hospitals. Senate Democrats said this provision would benefit hospitals in Connecticut and Michigan.”

7. Bernie Sanders’ socialized medicine sop. He wanted a public option. Instead, he got socialized medicine satellite clinics funded to the tune of at least $10 billion. In his remarks early this morning before the cloture vote, he gloated about the funding as a crucial step toward universal care. Via the Burlington Free Press:
Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., scored a big victory, too, with the inclusion in the amendment package of $10 billion to expand community health centers across the country — including at least two more in Vermont.
“We are talking about a revolution in primary care here,” Sanders said. Funding community health centers in an additional 10,000 communities would extend primary care to 25 million more Americans. The $10 billion, added at Sanders’ request, would also ensure there would be medical professionals to provide primary care by expanding the National Health Service Corps by an additional 20,000 slots. Doctors, dentists, nurses and other medical professionals who agree to work in areas where there are limited medical services get help paying off their school loans. The House version of the health care reform bill contains $14 billion for these initiatives. Sanders said he was hopeful the final amount, which will be hammered out in negotiations between the House and Senate, would be closer to $14 billion.
Vermont has 8 community health centers and 40 satellite offices. “New funding would make it likely centers could be opened in Addison and Bennington counties,” Sanders’ home state paper reports.
8. Fla.-Pa.-NY Protectionism. Via Politico: “Three states – Pennsylvania, New York and Florida – all won protections for their Medicare Advantage beneficiaries at a time when the program is facing cuts nationwide.”

FYI- this isn't an all inclusive list as the actual bill isn't exactly out in the open...
 

StageLeft

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Although I lack craig's confidence in the ethical leadership of so called progressive democrats, in the rest I agree. This bill is the result of excess corporate lobbying, which continues to gut what has previously been a pretty decent political system.

I read that a few decades ago there were something like 300 lobbyists and now there are thousands. Corporations have increasingly learned that if they can give a little under-table HJ to congressman they can make up far more on the backend. And it is now such that if you are an honorable person who says no I am married to citizens I don't want to cheat on them with your evil sh*t well they lack a lot of money needed for re-election.

Who can truly say citizens have enough power in this country? Are law makers truly acting in their best interests?
 

ebaycj

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I sent an email to both of my Senators expressing my contempt for their actions in regards to the health care bill. Both of them rolled over with nary a whimper proclaiming their support for this bill. They did not hold out and in doing so achieved nothing for our great state. Now we'll not only be paying our greatly increased Medicaid costs, we'll be paying a portion of Nebraska's too.


You know what will be a (comparatively) easy vote?

A 59-41 vote on a small, simple bill, whose only action is to modify this bill, to make everyone pay the same (including Nebraska). ;)
 

IndyColtsFan

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The thing to remember is that this is a tiny story compared to the big story onhealthcare reform:

That the corporate interests (in healthcare in this case, but in other industries too) own our political system so badly that the American people are little more than the people to be lied to currently.

Holy cow, judgment day must be near or something -- Craig actually said something with which I can agree!

It's wrong to give credit or blame to 'the Democrats' as one monolithic part. There are factions in it at war.

And yet, you treat Republicans as monolithic "evildoers."
 

IndyColtsFan

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Face it, guys. Repubs have been united in opposing heaalthcare reform regardless of the impact on their constituents, seeing it as a way to "Beat Obama!". That's what they've been about this particular go-round, and have said so.

Correct. Each party seems more interested in "beating" the other side than serving the country.


And Dems are so afraid of "Losing", basically of losing face, that they've bent over backwards to make something happen, even if that's just giving the corporatists one last bite at the apple before moving on to something that makes sense.

Correct. As I've said in many other posts, the Democrats aren't intent on passing this legislation because it is truly a good idea; they are intent on passing something, ANYTHING, to save face.

Repubs have really forced this compromise, yet they get to disown it, even if it serves their campaign contributors and their ideological bent better than they could have done it themselves. The saddest part of it all is that red state constituents really have the most to gain from real reform, which they won't get this time around.

No, the Republicans didn't force this compromise. Conservative factions within the Democratic party forced it.
 

Thump553

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Jhhnn hit the nail right on the head-when 40 Republicans are absolutely united in voting no on ANY healthcare bill proposed by the Obama Administration (or any non war-promoting bill for that matter) the two or three outliers in the Democratic Party are going to have inordinate power.

Ordinarily that digusts me, but in this particular case I'm more PO'd at my state's senator/outlier J. Lieberman, who chose to exercise his power to defeat something he campaigned vigorously for recently, purely to satisfy his own ego. Not only did his constituents like me get screwed out of buying into Medicare (much lower cost than private insurance for me) but we got absolutely no $100M bonus either. Talk about incompetent representation.
 

rudder

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Nebraskans should be sending this man Christmas cards. They'll get tens of thousands of new people health care coverage who previously lacked it, and their state won't have to pay for it. Don't see how they could complain about that. :)

Anyone who lives in another state should complain... since they will be paying for it.
 

IndyColtsFan

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Anyone who lives in another state should complain... since they will be paying for it.

It brings up an interesting question in my mind -- is this agreement even Constitutional? Can other states challenge that provision?
 

Modelworks

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This is what I hate about the way our system works. Right now there is almost 60% of people saying NO to this bill and the government can pass the bill anyway. We can't do a thing about it but not vote for them next time. In the mean time they get to do all they harm they like and our only recourse is a phone call, they have take the phone off the hook. Obama promised that things like this will not happen, now where is he , where is the bill on the internet for 72 hours before being voted on ? The constitution was put in place to guard against this type of stuff but if they pass this bill they have walked all over it, might as well take it down and throw it in the trash because what the people want doesn't matter anymore.
 

Specop 007

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Nebraskans should be sending this man Christmas cards. They'll get tens of thousands of new people health care coverage who previously lacked it, and their state won't have to pay for it. Don't see how they could complain about that. :)

I dont tolerate bribery, even if it does benefit me. Obama AND Nelson should be jailed for bribery, extortion and a few other charges.

Welcome to Chicago politics on a national scale. This whole story should sicken anyone who hears it.
 

Ausm

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wow, i always suspected you were genuinely crazy, this just cements that notion ;) bernie sanders is a self-proclaimed socialist, and alan grayson is just flat-out insane in his approach to civil discussion.



Why not? You have already deemed all republicans evil.

you lie!!!
 

shadow9d9

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This is what I hate about the way our system works. Right now there is almost 60% of people saying NO to this bill and the government can pass the bill anyway. We can't do a thing about it but not vote for them next time. In the mean time they get to do all they harm they like and our only recourse is a phone call, they have take the phone off the hook. Obama promised that things like this will not happen, now where is he , where is the bill on the internet for 72 hours before being voted on ? The constitution was put in place to guard against this type of stuff but if they pass this bill they have walked all over it, might as well take it down and throw it in the trash because what the people want doesn't matter anymore.

60% support it. But nice try on the flipping.
 

shadow9d9

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Senator Nelson secured +$100 million for Nebraska in exchange for his vote.
Senator Landrieu secured +$300 million for Louisiana in exchange for her vote.

What did your Senator secure for your state?
Redistribution of your states wealth to Nebraska and Louisiana?

Everyone should call their Senators office on Monday and ask them what handouts they are getting in exchange for their votes.

We already redistribute wealth to the hick states.. what is a little more?
 

CycloWizard

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Dear. Sen. McCaskill,

I am a concerned citizen writing to inform my legislative representation of my concerns regarding the present manifestation of the healthcare reform bill. I am both a healthcare researcher and an engineer by training. I am currently employed by the Department of Veterans Affairs and Washington University. My father is also a primary care physician in a small town whose client base relies heavily on government-run programs such as Medicare.

Therefore, I, like all other Americans, have substantial interest in this debate and its outcome. As a result, I am unable to understand:
1. why a paradigm shift in the American healthcare system is so urgent and must take the form of increased government intervention;
2. how "reform" can result in some states not paying their own way; and
3. how increased access can reduce costs.

These claims do not pass any test of face validity: how can costs possibly decrease when demand increases? How is justice served by Missourians paying for Nebraskans' healthcare? How will requiring insurers to cover those with pre-existing conditions or woeful medical histories achieve anything other than driving these insurers out of business, thereby forcing the American people to turn to government for insurance? Therein is the greatest fallacy this bill employs: in an effort to appear to appeal to a market-based approach, this bill removes the ability of the market to dictate its own risk:reward portfolio, creating an untenable situation. This approach necessarily dooms any such private enterprise to failure, with the inevitable result of a government takeover of the healthcare system.

As an employee of a government hospital, I am well aware of what such a takeover would mean for the American public. As an employee of one of the lowest-ranked VA hospitals in the nation, I am well aware of the inability of government to successfully attend to the needs of even a select fraction of its constituents - those who deserve to receive the best treatment available. As an employee of one of the top private universities in the nation who works each day in one of the top private hospitals in the nation, I see the quality of healthcare which the private sector is capable of providing. The difference is both astounding and appalling.

Because of these concerns, I would appreciate your explanation of your support of the present manifestation of the proposed healthcare bill.

Sincerely,
Me
 

Moonbeam

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Politics is the art of the possible. We will either get the only possible health care bill that can be passed or we will get nothing. The question will be, if we get a bill, will it be better for the majority of Americans, will it be a net plus or a net minus for the nation.

Such questions as whether I like the bill or not, whether I benefit or not, what my senator was able or unable to extort in the passage, how my team did, what Fox News thinks, all such matters of my own ego, these things mean nothing.

When only what can be will be, will it be a plus or a minus for America is the only question that matters to me.

The difference between me and most people, as far as I can see, is that I don't know the answer to the question and know that I don't know, whereas, it seems to me that most folk actually think they know and, in fact of course, also have no idea.

It isn't partisanship that is the problem, in my opinion, but the assumption that you know something. That would include partisans and those that despise it.
 

werepossum

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Wow, I always suspected you were genuinely crazy, this just cements that notion ;) Bernie Sanders is a self-proclaimed socialist, and Alan Grayson is just flat-out insane in his approach to civil discussion.



Why not? You have already deemed all Republicans evil.

The latest insanity from Grayson is that he wrote to Holder demanding that a Republican activist who started a web site called "mycongressmanisnuts.com" raising money for Grayson's Republican challenger be investigated and imprisoned for five years.

The story: http://www.politico.com/blogs/scorecard/1209/Grayson_wants_to_imprison_critic.html?showall

The letter: http://www.politico.com/static/PPM130_grayson-holder-complaint-121609-0013.html

Yeah, let's run out and get us a big bag o' them taters.