Neat way to save for a new/used car.

Kelemvor

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I read this over and it really peaked my interest since my car is getting up there in miles and may not hold on for much longer. Sounds like a very interesting idea.

http://www.daveramsey.com/newslette...ter-073010?ectid=cnl0810.final_06#carpayments


The Truth About Car Payments


I'll always have a car payment.

You've probably heard that comment before, right? You might have even said it yourself—with a defeated, woe-is-me tone of voice. So what's the deal? Are car payments really just a way of life?

Well, that's the normal way of thinking. But, as Dave always says: When it comes to money, normal is broke. You want to be weird, and weird people don't have car payments.

So how, exactly, do you live without a car payment?

Here's the deal. Recent statistics show that one-third of car buyers sign up for a six-year loan at an average interest rate of 9.6 % . Among these buyers, the average price of the car is just over $26,000. This means that one-third of the cars you see on the road are dragging a $475 payment behind them.

The car dealer won't tell you that your awesome new car loses about 25% of its value the instant you drive it off the lot. After four years, your car has lost about 70% of its value!

What does that mean? After six years, you've paid almost $33,000 for a $26,000 car, which is now worth maybe $6,000. Not a good deal.

Here's a new plan. What if you bought a cheap $2,000 car just to get around for 10 months? Then you take that $475—the average car payment—save it every month, and pay for a new car (with cash!), instead of giving it to the bank.

After 10 months of doing that, you'll have $4,750 to use for that new ride. Add that to the $1,500–2,000 you can get for your old beater, and you have well over $6,000. That's a major upgrade in car in just 10 months—without owing the bank a dime!

But the fun doesn't end there. If you keep consistently putting the same amount of money away, 10 months later you would have another $4,750 to put toward a car. You could probably sell that $6,000 vehicle for about the same price you paid 10 months before, meaning you now have $11,000 to pay for a car, just 20 months after this whole process started.

The bottom line with this exercise is simply this—what could you do with that $475 if you weren't paying for the car every month? Anything you wanted!

Think about it this way: If you were to invest that $475 (remember, this is the average car payment in the U.S.) into a good mutual fund with a 12% rate of return, you would have over $100,000 in 10 years! At 20 years, you would have made $470,000. And at 30 years? That mutual fund would be worth $1.6 million!

The numbers will make your head spin, but it really just comes down to simple math. The less money you are spending on your car every month, the more money you have to put into other more important things: your kids' college fund, your retirement, and paying off any other debt you might have.

If you'll just follow this simple plan, your life could be dramatically different 10 years from now. You can live without a car payment!
 
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He has the right idea, but his numbers are pretty half baked.

edit...if not full on erroneous. Show me a mutal fund that pulls 12%. At 10 years. And at 20. And after you pay the capital gains on it.
 

Eli

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Like, duh?

That's why I plan on driving my car into the ground.
 

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Wow, so if I buy a beater, I can save my money for a better car or something else? :rolleyes:

And you buy a $2000 car and drive it for a year and hope the transmission doesn't crap out, the engine requires no major repairs or any other slew of things that can happen to a vehicle of that price.
 

purbeast0

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wow this article is one of the stupidest articles i've ever read...

so if you buy a POS car and dont have a car payment, you can rather save that money you would have used on a car payment for something more expensive down the road?

NO WAI!!???!?
 

kranky

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The key point is that car payments do NOT have to be a way of life.

We bought a new car once, as soon as we could afford the payments. Oh, it was great for a little while, having that new car. Then time went on and it was just a car. And the payments went on as well. I hated the payments more than I liked the car.

Then we decided we would drive that car after it was paid for, and until it was junk, and start setting aside the money we were using for payments. And when we looked for the next car, we looked at year-old cars that have terrible resale value but strong quality records. That's what we've done ever since. A quality year-old car that is 30% less than new is a real bargain. Save 30% of the money in return for giving up 10% or less of the product life.

Set aside $400/month for 3 years after you pay off your car, and you have about $15,000 - enough to buy a very nice car for cash.
 

rcpratt

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Those numbers are fairly fudged, but yeah.

I'm still undecided on what I want to do when my lease is up in March. Probably either pay cash for a one year old car (18k or so), or just lease (possibly just pay it up front...also can get a slight family employee discount) a new car. Obviously I know which one is a better financial choice, but I'm not sure if I want to put up with the hassle of maintenance on the used and eventually selling it.
 
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Tweak155

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My car (truck) i bought in march was $28000 before tax, interest etc. I had it paid off in May, 2mos later. I'm not some deep pockets guy, just smart with my income, bonuses, tax returns, etc. Now I live without a car payment. Except for my wife's lease, of course :p.
 

Tweak155

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The key point is that car payments do NOT have to be a way of life.

We bought a new car once, as soon as we could afford the payments. Oh, it was great for a little while, having that new car. Then time went on and it was just a car. And the payments went on as well. I hated the payments more than I liked the car.

Then we decided we would drive that car after it was paid for, and until it was junk, and start setting aside the money we were using for payments. And when we looked for the next car, we looked at year-old cars that have terrible resale value but strong quality records. That's what we've done ever since. A quality year-old car that is 30% less than new is a real bargain. Save 30% of the money in return for giving up 10% or less of the product life.

Set aside $400/month for 3 years after you pay off your car, and you have about $15,000 - enough to buy a very nice car for cash.

This is also what I recommend. However when I bought my last truck, the cost difference was literally $2k-$4k. To me that was worth it to pony up the dough. Helps when you have friends/family in the car companies to get you steep discounts.
 

Gibson486

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Do people have nothing else to write about? We get it. If you save, you can buy something better without taking out a loan. It's not a hard concept.

With 0% financing...what is the difference?

Whether you pay cash or finance, it does not change the value of the car. As for driving it off the lot and losing value....yeah, you lose 25% of the value if you do not talk price in most cases. Whether you buy new or used, you still lose value. In my gf's case, it gained value. She bought her decked out Corolla for 14.2K (has everything...ugly spoiler and body kit, sun roof, upgraded speakers, remote starter). She is about to sell tonight for 16K.

So what is the point of all this? It's not black and white. There is no right or wrong answer. The answer to whether to save up or finance is really dependent on the situation.
 

dfuze

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His theory is nice, but doesn't account for possible problems that may happen with the car and unforseen repairs.
 

DesiPower

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So... cars = waste of money, dont buy them, I get that part, BUT how exactly did I "save" on a car then??
This thread = Epic Pahil
 

Ika

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The key point is that car payments do NOT have to be a way of life.

We bought a new car once, as soon as we could afford the payments. Oh, it was great for a little while, having that new car. Then time went on and it was just a car. And the payments went on as well. I hated the payments more than I liked the car.

Then we decided we would drive that car after it was paid for, and until it was junk, and start setting aside the money we were using for payments. And when we looked for the next car, we looked at year-old cars that have terrible resale value but strong quality records. That's what we've done ever since. A quality year-old car that is 30% less than new is a real bargain. Save 30% of the money in return for giving up 10% or less of the product life.

Set aside $400/month for 3 years after you pay off your car, and you have about $15,000 - enough to buy a very nice car for cash.

What kinds of cars are considered this? This is exactly what I want to do when I get a car but I don't really know where to look. Edmunds? Car forums? I generally don't frequent car forums because gearhead jargon is just too much for me, all I want is a nice car that doesn't cost too much.
 
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Kinda sick about hearing about Dave Ramsey and his shit.

Seriously.

Same here. So the trick to having a bunch of money later in life, is to live like a fucking bum now???

Screw that. If we follow his advice, we would all be driving 20 year old cars, no one would buy new cars, and thus, when our 20 year old junkers die, there will be no more cars to buy.
Amazingly enough some people are happy to pay a car payment on a vehicle that still has a warranty. Sure it costs more than buying a $2000 beater, but like someone said, if that beater blows a transmission, or the engine goes, you're screwed, because either way you're either dropping $2k into a worthless vehicle, or you're going to go out and spend another $2k on a beater. OR your new vehicle still under warranty goes in, you get a loaner, and then get your car back fixed.
I'm sick of Dave Ramsey trying to tell us how to pay cash for everything. That's easy when you have his kind of money. When you work a real 9-5 and have kids, and other obligations, it just doesn't work.
Especially with a house. That pisses me off the most. He says you should pay cash for a house. Who really is going to have $150K+ in cash to buy a house? I'll gladly pay a mortgage to NOT live in an apt. Dave only cares about one thing. Money and how much he can accumulate. I care more about having nice things and not living like a peasant trying to save up to buy myself out of servitude.
 

Gibson486

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Same here. So the trick to having a bunch of money later in life, is to live like a fucking bum now???

Screw that. If we follow his advice, we would all be driving 20 year old cars, no one would buy new cars, and thus, when our 20 year old junkers die, there will be no more cars to buy.
Amazingly enough some people are happy to pay a car payment on a vehicle that still has a warranty. Sure it costs more than buying a $2000 beater, but like someone said, if that beater blows a transmission, or the engine goes, you're screwed, because either way you're either dropping $2k into a worthless vehicle, or you're going to go out and spend another $2k on a beater. OR your new vehicle still under warranty goes in, you get a loaner, and then get your car back fixed.
I'm sick of Dave Ramsey trying to tell us how to pay cash for everything. That's easy when you have his kind of money. When you work a real 9-5 and have kids, and other obligations, it just doesn't work.
Especially with a house. That pisses me off the most. He says you should pay cash for a house. Who really is going to have $150K+ in cash to buy a house? I'll gladly pay a mortgage to NOT live in an apt. Dave only cares about one thing. Money and how much he can accumulate. I care more about having nice things and not living like a peasant trying to save up to buy myself out of servitude.

What, you do not have 150K to buy a house? I thought everyone on ATOT was a baller. Hmmmm...Maybe Ramsey has an account here...
 

Raduque

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So instead of "woe is me, I'll always have a car payment" it's "woe is me, I'll always have shitty, 10 year old cars".

Excellent! Sign me up!
 

GasX

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What an overcomplicated way of saying, "save your money and pay cash when you can afford it".
 

halik

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Instead of paying 300 a mo for a car, I can put 300a mo into an account and then use the money in the account to pay for the car? Brilliant!

My last 2 cars were all financed at a rate lower than what i was getting at an fdic insured savings account.
 

CRXican

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Good thing my payment is only $350 month.

And there's never any guarantee that you can sell your used beater. Especially if shit starts falling apart.

It might make more sense to save some cash down to buy a middle of the road car in the first place and not have to worry about saving and swapping all the time. Financing $10,000 shouldn't really kill anyone with a half decent income.
 

TwiceOver

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The general idea is sound, even though the numbers are questionable.

It costs me less to drive my 15 year Nissan per month than it does to insure a new car per month. I'm happy, and that's all that matters.