Nearly 2,000 Inmates Riot in Calif. Jail

[JLGatsby]

Originally posted by: SampSon
Wait, in all your other posts you claim higher education is worthless and only something a fool would partake in. I smell BS coming from you constantly.

It is, but I never said I didn't have a higher education.

How could I judge such a thing without having experienced it first?

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: UglyCasanova
Lol, leftwing?? I am hardly a liberal, and think the Dems are completely batsh!t (not to mention ANNOYING AS FVCK), but I do like to think that I have at least a little compassion for my fellow man. You have obviously never been there nor done that (you never answered my question, are you still in high school? Don't lie. 🙂 And if you do not think poverty or environmental factors play a role in crime then I guess you have answered my question after all.

I am not only not in high school, but I am finished with college, but that is irrelevant.

Answer my question, are you saying there is an excuse for raping someone? What about shooting someone?

You're blaming it on "poverty"?

If you steal $100 bucks from your work because you're poor, ok, I'll cut you some slack.

But since when can you blame poverty on drug dealers, gang bangers, rapists, and murders? You're clueless if you believe that!

There is no excuse for violent behavior. NONE, ZERO, ZIP Dont' even try it.

If you commit a crime like that, you're sub human and deserve death, no excuses.

It is inexcusable but it is understandable.

You are quick to pull out the "sub-human" adjective, but you fail to realize your own mortality and fallability if you think their actions are sub-human.

rapists, murders, and the like, are simply simple forms of conscienceness that lack the ability by predesposition or otherwise, or choose not to use their ability to reason in a complex fashion due to sloth or whatever.

We are all predisposed to commit such acts, but our' true,' our consistently 'picturesque' humanity, the one that Disney portrayed in movies like 'Bambi,' the one displayed prominantly in 'Shlinder's list,' the one demosntrated epicly in 'Saving Private Ryan' is somethign that took an eternity for our species to come to develop.

We are mammals. They are mammals.

We can keep our dicks in our pants and our guns in our holsters and they can't.

It doesn't make them sub-hman. It just makes us more compex and wiser.

 

[JLGatsby]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
It is inexcusable but it is understandable.

You are quick to pull out the "sub-human" adjective, but you fail to realize your own mortality and fallability if you think their actions are sub-human.

rapists, murders, and the like, are simply simple forms of conscienceness that lack the ability by predesposition or otherwise, or choose not to use their ability to reason in a complex fashion due to sloth or whatever.

We are all predisposed to commit such acts, but our true humanity, the one that Disney portrayed in movies like 'Bambi,' the one displayed prominantly in 'Shlinder's list,' the one demosntrated epicly in 'Saving Private Ryan' is somethign that took an eternity for our species to come to develop.

We are mammals. They are mammals.

We can keep our dicks in our pants and our guns in our holsters and they can't.

It doesn't make them sub-hman. It just makes us more compex and wiser.

I understand what you are saying, but I still contend that they are at best inferior human beings or at worst sub human.

I still say they are a waste of life and do not deserve to live.

 

[SampSon]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: SampSon
Wait, in all your other posts you claim higher education is worthless and only something a fool would partake in. I smell BS coming from you constantly.

It is, but I never said I didn't have a higher education.

How could I judge such a thing without having experienced it first?

Oh, ok, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

Not sure, how do you do it all the time on various topics here?

 

[UglyCasanova]

I dunno, I've just know too many good people who have got caught up in some bad stuff. A lot of these things seem to stem from poverty, lack of education, and a dysfunctional family unit. You have been blessed with these, but never lose sight of the fact that many people have never had the opportunities that you have. Many people have never known a father, or a mother who was ever sober. Many people have grown up never receiving a decent education due to a broken family/school system and a society which quite frankly doesn't seem to care. You don't know how easy you have it.

It is all too easy to look down on others when you have never had the hardships they have, never walked a foot much less a mile in their shoes. In theory I do agree with you, there is never an excuse to causing harm to someone else. Reality though is much different. Impoverished communities are a breeding ground for crime, but it is an endless cycle. People are not strong enough to rise out of it on their own, placed in that situation I'm fairly certain that you nor I would be able to rise out of it. The reality of the world is much different than the imaginary one your rich suburban lifestyle has raised you in. If everyone had the luxury of not worrying about money like you do (when is the last time you had to worry about being evicted, or had 6 people crammed into one tiny room, or couldn't go to the doctor because you couldn't afford it? When is the last time you truly went hungry?) then do you think there would be any crime? What the fvck do you think causes this behavior?

 

[JLGatsby]

Originally posted by: UglyCasanova
I dunno, I've just know too many good people who have got caught up in some bad stuff. A lot of these things seem to stem from poverty, lack of education, and a dysfunctional family unit. You have been blessed with these, but never lose sight of the fact that many people have never had the opportunities that you have. Many people have never known a father, or a mother who was ever sober. Many people have grown up never receiving a decent education due to a broken family/school system and a society which quite frankly doesn't seem to care. You don't know how easy you have it.

It is all too easy to look down on others when you have never had the hardships they have, never walked a foot much less a mile in their shoes. In theory I do agree with you, there is never an excuse to causing harm to someone else. Reality though is much different. Impoverished communities are a breeding grown for crime, but it is an endless cycle. People are not strong enough to rise out of it on their own, placed in that situation I'm fairly certain that you nor I would be able to rise out of it. The reality of the world is much different than the imaginary one your rich suburban lifestyle has raised you in. If everyone had the luxury of not worrying about money like you do (when is the last time you had to worry about being evicted, or had 6 people crammed into one tiny room, or couldn't go to the doctor because you couldn't afford it? When is the last time you truly went hungry?) then do you think there would be any crime? What the fvck do you think causes this behavior?

Obviously they weren't good people if they got involved in bad stuff!

People like you who defend violent criminals because you might have known a few are cowards. Too cowardly to hate someone you once befriended. You have no morals. You stand up for nothing. I cited an Ayn Rand quote above that described people like you perfectly.

"...the person who loves everybody and feels at home everywhere is the true hater of mankind. He expects nothing of men, so no form of depravity can outrage him."

You're a coward just trying to sit on the fence and be everybody's friend. People like that make me sick.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
It is inexcusable but it is understandable.

You are quick to pull out the "sub-human" adjective, but you fail to realize your own mortality and fallability if you think their actions are sub-human.

rapists, murders, and the like, are simply simple forms of conscienceness that lack the ability by predesposition or otherwise, or choose not to use their ability to reason in a complex fashion due to sloth or whatever.

We are all predisposed to commit such acts, but our true humanity, the one that Disney portrayed in movies like 'Bambi,' the one displayed prominantly in 'Shlinder's list,' the one demosntrated epicly in 'Saving Private Ryan' is somethign that took an eternity for our species to come to develop.

We are mammals. They are mammals.

We can keep our dicks in our pants and our guns in our holsters and they can't.

It doesn't make them sub-hman. It just makes us more compex and wiser.

I understand what you are saying, but I still contend that they are at best inferior human beings or at worst sub human.

I still say they are a waste of life and do not deserve to live.

This is where humanity, where our picturesque vision of what we think we should be, and how we think we shoud live out our lvies falls apart.

We are incredibly susceptible to hate and paranoia.

Customary executions and such irreversable penalties rely on a precision and infallibillity that human simply can't offer. Hell, computers would be far worse failign to show remorse compassion and the like and such.

People might mention the omnipotent "slipepry slope ' as a plausiblle ourtcome of customary executions, and in many cases they would be right.

We are so flawed, so viral, so utterly dillusional in our safety net of compassion and selflessness, that allowwing ourself to judge the validity of ones continued existence is compeltely and utterly ridiculous if you ask me.

We are compeltely fvked up as it is....having these fvk ups deciding whether those back taxes I owe the IRS are worth the death penalty is not a scenarion I would like to live through.

This is not just about the innocents.

Take the simple lie and comapre it to a gang rape sanctioned by the loacl goverment.

This was in the papers a while ago by the way and took place in India or was it Pakistan.

We are so fallable that in the end, we let our logic capitulate to the simple notion that it's okay if everything is subjective.

Yeah, that gang rape was not a pretty site, but the leaders of the town not only sanctioned it but found nothign wrong with it.

Let's go back to that little lie.

Let's say you, Mr. Gatsby, just got your wife an sl500 for her birthday and lie to her about forgettign to get her something to get her angry and the make the surprise even more surprising.

What if you you add in a dlittle sex with a hooker in the backset earlier that evening before the car is delivered to your house for your wife to find.

What if you add the millionaire coke dealer that your crew kocked off and took the drugs + sl500 from?

Lies and every other human trait are subjective at all levels.

How can we possible hoep to achieve unanimous impartiality and devine wisdom in judging whether we kill someone and not first examine ourselves.


This is not to say that I support or oppose the death penalty. I am jsut talking...

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: UglyCasanova
I dunno, I've just know too many good people who have got caught up in some bad stuff. A lot of these things seem to stem from poverty, lack of education, and a dysfunctional family unit. You have been blessed with these, but never lose sight of the fact that many people have never had the opportunities that you have. Many people have never known a father, or a mother who was ever sober. Many people have grown up never receiving a decent education due to a broken family/school system and a society which quite frankly doesn't seem to care. You don't know how easy you have it.

It is all too easy to look down on others when you have never had the hardships they have, never walked a foot much less a mile in their shoes. In theory I do agree with you, there is never an excuse to causing harm to someone else. Reality though is much different. Impoverished communities are a breeding grown for crime, but it is an endless cycle. People are not strong enough to rise out of it on their own, placed in that situation I'm fairly certain that you nor I would be able to rise out of it. The reality of the world is much different than the imaginary one your rich suburban lifestyle has raised you in. If everyone had the luxury of not worrying about money like you do (when is the last time you had to worry about being evicted, or had 6 people crammed into one tiny room, or couldn't go to the doctor because you couldn't afford it? When is the last time you truly went hungry?) then do you think there would be any crime? What the fvck do you think causes this behavior?

Obviously they weren't good people if they got involved in bad stuff!

People like you who defend violent criminals because you might have known a few are cowards. Too cowardly to hate someone you once befriended. You have no morals. You stand up for nothing. I cited an Ayn Rand quote above that described people like you perfectly.

"...the person who loves everybody and feels at home everywhere is the true hater of mankind. He expects nothing of men, so no form of depravity can outrage him."

You're a coward just trying to sit on the fence and be everybody's friend. People like that make me sick.

You're too idealistic man.

Idealism will only lead to repeated calshes in disccussion concering reality.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: UglyCasanova
I dunno, I've just know too many good people who have got caught up in some bad stuff. A lot of these things seem to stem from poverty, lack of education, and a dysfunctional family unit. You have been blessed with these, but never lose sight of the fact that many people have never had the opportunities that you have. Many people have never known a father, or a mother who was ever sober. Many people have grown up never receiving a decent education due to a broken family/school system and a society which quite frankly doesn't seem to care. You don't know how easy you have it.

It is all too easy to look down on others when you have never had the hardships they have, never walked a foot much less a mile in their shoes. In theory I do agree with you, there is never an excuse to causing harm to someone else. Reality though is much different. Impoverished communities are a breeding grown for crime, but it is an endless cycle. People are not strong enough to rise out of it on their own, placed in that situation I'm fairly certain that you nor I would be able to rise out of it. The reality of the world is much different than the imaginary one your rich suburban lifestyle has raised you in. If everyone had the luxury of not worrying about money like you do (when is the last time you had to worry about being evicted, or had 6 people crammed into one tiny room, or couldn't go to the doctor because you couldn't afford it? When is the last time you truly went hungry?) then do you think there would be any crime? What the fvck do you think causes this behavior?

Obviously they weren't good people if they got involved in bad stuff!

People like you who defend violent criminals because you might have known a few are cowards. Too cowardly to hate someone you once befriended. You have no morals. You stand up for nothing. I cited an Ayn Rand quote above that described people like you perfectly.

"...the person who loves everybody and feels at home everywhere is the true hater of mankind. He expects nothing of men, so no form of depravity can outrage him."

You're a coward just trying to sit on the fence and be everybody's friend. People like that make me sick.

They are not cowards. they have simply excepted their humanity.

Better a elightened coward than a fool.

 

[tec699]

Way too many wimpy liberals with ZERO understanding of what's happening today in our dangerous world.

I'd like to talk to one of these liberals when their little daughter/son/mom/dad is shot to death or savagely raped by a low life. I wonder if they would have the same attitude?

It's amazing. You people talk the part but god forbid if these low lives were to live in your neck of the woods. Liberals can feel sympathy for murders, rapist and gang bangers as long as they stay out of their town.

I've been reading lately that gang bangers have implemented a new initiation for beginning members. Now they're targeting people with money. To be accepted into a gang a new gang member has to rob and beat up anyone with money. They're targeting people with nice cars, homes, etc? I just hope they start going after the lawyers who would defend such trash. That would make some good news.

Finally, gangs are increasing at an alarming rate. Gang leaders don't have to go after new members anymore because they get offers daily. You people better not act like none of this matters and it's a non-issue because you're going to be their next victims.

 

[JLGatsby]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Let's say you, Mr. Gatsby, just got your wife an sl500 for her birthday and lie to her about forgettign to get her something to get her angry and the make the surprise even more surprising.

What if you you add in a dlittle sex with a hooker in the backset earlier that evening before the car is delivered to your house for your wife to find.

What if you add the millionaire coke dealer that your crew kocked off and took the drugs + sl500 from?

I have no idea what you're talking about or tried to say in that statement. Made no sense.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby
Obviously they weren't good people if they got involved in bad stuff!

People like you who defend violent criminals because you might have known a few are cowards. Too cowardly to hate someone you once befriended. You have no morals. You stand up for nothing. I cited an Ayn Rand quote above that described people like you perfectly.

"...the person who loves everybody and feels at home everywhere is the true hater of mankind. He expects nothing of men, so no form of depravity can outrage him."

You're a coward just trying to sit on the fence and be everybody's friend. People like that make me sick.

I will take it as a compliment. You are so disillusioned with the comforts of modern life that you lose track of humanity, Gatsby...how apt. I stand for nothing? What is it that you stand for? To hold humanity up to your standards? Great, assuming we all start on equal footing. It is easy to be moral when you have never known hardship, but I am starting to sound like a broken record. You have lost touch with humanity, so it is you who are not human.

 

[slayer202]

gatsby, i agree with you 100%, but let me give you some advice from what I have learned....Do not bother trying to debate or argue something that take away rights from anyone, no matter how bad they are.

people just seem to not think logically when it comes the stuff like that. its really unfortunate. The world is a ****** place, and its gonna continue to get worse unless we do something about it. and the way we do that is get rid of the "filth."

I bet you people went ape ****** when whats his face said that aborting all black babies would bring the crime rate down

 

[JLGatsby]

Originally posted by: UglyCasanova
I will take it as a compliment. You are so disillusioned with the comforts of modern life that you lose track of humanity, Gatsby...how apt. I stand for nothing? What is it that you stand for? To hold humanity up to your standards? Great, assuming we all start on equal footing. It is easy to be moral when you have never known hardship, but I am starting to sound like a broken record. You have lost touch with humanity, so it is you who are not human.

"Humanity" isn't killing or raping people. You are the one who is disillusioned, disillusioned with blind forgiveness and stripped of all ideals and diseased with cowardice.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: tec699
Way too many wimpy liberals with ZERO understanding of what's happening today in our dangerous world.

I'd like to talk to one of these liberals when their little daughter/son/mom/dad is shot to death or savagely raped by a low life. I wonder if they would have the same attitude?

It's amazing. You people talk the part but god forbid if these low lives were to live in your neck of the woods. Liberals can feel sympathy for murders, rapist and gang bangers as long as they stay out of their town.

I've been reading lately that gang bangers have implemented a new initiation for beginning members. Now they're targeting people with money. To be accepted into a gang a new gang member has to rob and beat up anyone with money. They're targeting people with nice cars, homes, etc? I just hope they start going after the lawyers who would defend such trash. That would make some good news.

Finally, gangs are increasing at an alarming rate. Gang leaders don't have to go after new members anymore because they get offers daily. You people better not act like none of this matters and it's a non-issue because you're their next victims.

liberals? heh.

dude. jsut because we caht by the fireside about the true state of thigns, teh reason behidn it all ,teh maning of it all, does not mean we deny reality.

You are too jamemd up with the specifics. Of course gangsters are brutal and vicious., Hell they jsut killed a New York Times reporter here in D.C> o nthe FIRST DAY of his retirement.

You say that people have sympathy for murders, but that usually not the case. Understanding and agreement are two seperate thigns.

I understand why they do it, but I do not condone it.

You need to think more and stop feeding at the trough with the news reporters.

 

[tec699]

Originally posted by: UglyCasanova
I dunno, I've just know too many good people who have got caught up in some bad stuff. A lot of these things seem to stem from poverty, lack of education, and a dysfunctional family unit. You have been blessed with these, but never lose sight of the fact that many people have never had the opportunities that you have. Many people have never known a father, or a mother who was ever sober. Many people have grown up never receiving a decent education due to a broken family/school system and a society which quite frankly doesn't seem to care. You don't know how easy you have it.

It is all too easy to look down on others when you have never had the hardships they have, never walked a foot much less a mile in their shoes. In theory I do agree with you, there is never an excuse to causing harm to someone else. Reality though is much different. Impoverished communities are a breeding ground for crime, but it is an endless cycle. People are not strong enough to rise out of it on their own, placed in that situation I'm fairly certain that you nor I would be able to rise out of it. The reality of the world is much different than the imaginary one your rich suburban lifestyle has raised you in. If everyone had the luxury of not worrying about money like you do (when is the last time you had to worry about being evicted, or had 6 people crammed into one tiny room, or couldn't go to the doctor because you couldn't afford it? When is the last time you truly went hungry?) then do you think there would be any crime? What the fvck do you think causes this behavior?

And what about the hard working immigrants that have come here in the past and have made something of themselves. I know Mexicans that live 8 in a small home and they aren't killing innocents. I know greek people who have come over and now they own businesses and are financially sound. I could keep going on...

When will the excuses end? You have to take responsibility for your actions. America is the greatest country that has ever existed. No one is forcing these people to kill, murder and rob. They do it and decided to act like this and should be punished accordingly.

 

[darkxshade]

Jail break!!!

Make sure Michael Scoffield is present and accounted for, I believe he is somewhere around the medical ward.

 

[slayer202]

btw, does anyone oppose atleast executing everyone serving a life sentence, and if so, why?

 

[JLGatsby]

Originally posted by: slayer202
gatsby, i agree with you 100%, but let me give you some advice from what I have learned....Do not bother trying to debate or argue something that take away rights from anyone, no matter how bad they are.

people just seem to not think logically when it comes the stuff like that. its really unfortunate. The world is a ****** place, and its gonna continue to get worse unless we do something about it. and the way we do that is get rid of the "filth"

:thumbsup: I admire people like you who are brave enough to come out and say it.

Some people would sacrifice themselves just to forgive/attempt to fix the same people who tried to destroy them.

And you are correct about people like that trying to take away other's rights. The right to a peaceful and safe society is one right that should not be taken from anyone for the benefit of those who made it unsafe.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: slayer202
gatsby, i agree with you 100%, but let me give you some advice from what I have learned....Do not bother trying to debate or argue something that take away rights from anyone, no matter how bad they are.

people just seem to not think logically when it comes the stuff like that. its really unfortunate. The world is a ****** place, and its gonna continue to get worse unless we do something about it. and the way we do that is get rid of the "filth."

I bet you people went ape ****** when whats his face said that aborting all black babies would bring the crime rate down

It's not so much that it was wrong, but that in many cases black culture and the resulting violence and crime is result of whites.

They basically uprooted blacks, brought them here, enslaved them, and then transitioned them into acceptance in the general populous. Of course it wasn't goign to go smoothly.

Why kill the babies? seriously.

If anything the old hacks that created this mess due to greed , utter inhumanity, and blatant irressponsibility are the ones that deserve to be on the cuttign board.

killing black babies is the quivalent of condoning idiocy on the part of whites of yesteryear.

 

[slayer202]

you obviously don't know the context in which he said it.

he was using it as a ludicrous statement that must be thought about and rejected. hell, what he said was 100% true. if you aborted all black babies, the crime rate WOULD go down....

 

[JLGatsby]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
It's not so much that it was wrong, but that in many cases black culture and the resulting violence and crime is result of whites.

They basically uprooted blacks, brought them here, enslaved them, and then transitioned them into acceptance in the general populous. Of course it wasn't goign to go smoothly.

LMAO. Yeah that's right, it's all whitey's fault.

Answer this: What about the white people who join gangs and kill each other? What is their excuse?

I contend that white people who commit such crimes are sub human.

I also contend that anyone of any other race is no different. You do that, you're sub human, end of story.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: slayer202
gatsby, i agree with you 100%, but let me give you some advice from what I have learned....Do not bother trying to debate or argue something that take away rights from anyone, no matter how bad they are.

people just seem to not think logically when it comes the stuff like that. its really unfortunate. The world is a ****** place, and its gonna continue to get worse unless we do something about it. and the way we do that is get rid of the "filth"

:thumbsup: I admire people like you who are brave enough to come out and say it.

Some people would sacrifice themselves just to forgive/attempt to fix the same people who tried to destroy them.

And you are correct about people like that trying to take away other's rights. The right to a peaceful and safe society is one right that should not be taken from anyone for the benefit of those who made it unsafe.

1. seems like you adire peopel that agree with you more than anything.
2. a peaceful and safe society is many times a myth for we arre all susceptible to some form of entisement.

In the end, we can jsut try our best, and if a few die in the process, that'll jsut prove that we are fallable, but to kil them all would lead us down a path that would inavlidate our humanity altogether.

 

[JLGatsby]

Originally posted by: slayer202
he was using it as a ludicrous statement that must be thought about and rejected. hell, what he said was 100% true. if you aborted all black babies, the crime rate WOULD go down....

A better method would be for babies born under poor parents, white or black.

UglyCasanova said it himself, poverty creates crime, I agree.

Nothing like that should ever be done, no one should be forced to have an abortion, but hypothetically if you did do it, society would be a lot better off.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
It's not so much that it was wrong, but that in many cases black culture and the resulting violence and crime is result of whites.

They basically uprooted blacks, brought them here, enslaved them, and then transitioned them into acceptance in the general populous. Of course it wasn't goign to go smoothly.

LMAO. Yeah that's right, it's all whitey's fault.

Answer this: What about the white people who join gangs and kill each other? What is their excuse?

I contend that white people who commit such crimes are sub human.

I also contend that anyone of any other race is no different. You do that, you're sub human, end of story.

It is whitely's fault. It's al so the spanish's fault and the british's fault ...and the mayans..it's aeverybodys fault....we are all human and royal fvkups.

Answer to your question:

What are white offernders' excuses?

we are all human. be it exposure to this sort of thing by living in the projects or out of sheer bordom (watch the movie 'traffic') we are all susceptible to all of this.