NCCA hands down Penn State punishment

[manimal]

should have been a TV ban as well for a decade. Really lenient ruling. Was not an isolated instance. Was a cultural problem organization wide.

 

[Texashiker]

Was not an isolated instance. Was a cultural problem organization wide.

The local law enforcement will need to prosecute everyone who covered up the incidents.

In a lot of states, if a person does not report child abuse, the lack of action is a crime.

Besides what the NCCA did, the people involved need to go to prison.

 

[Phokus]

Article on how fucked the Penn State football program is, to those idiots who think they got a slap on the wrist:

http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/07/23/penn-state-faces-a-grim-football-future/

Reading that, i think they actually got a harsher punishment than SMU did when they got the death penalty.

 

[Texashiker]

Article on how fucked the Penn State football program is, to those idiots who think they got a slap on the wrist:

http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/07/23/penn-state-faces-a-grim-football-future/

Reading that, i think they actually got a harsher punishment than SMU did when they got the death penalty.

Somehow, punishing a school program instead of punishing the people responsible for this, just does not make sense.

If there was a coverup, the people that were part of the coverup should be punished.

If a coach knew about the abuse, then that coach should be banned for life from coaching. Who was that red headed coach that said he saw one attack going on in the showers? Why is he even a coach anymore?

There are people out there that knew the abuse was going on, and they did nothing. Those people should be barred from coaching for the rest of their life.

If the NCCA wanted to hand out a punishment, then ban the people responsible.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

If the NCCA wanted to hand out a punishment, then ban the people responsible.

The NCAA's press conference stated that they reserve the right for further investigation and punishment of individuals after all of the criminal proceedings have concluded.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

I think we can all easily agree that this was not a light punishment and that with the criminal prosecutions, removal of Paterno's image on campus, etc that this is being dealt with in a serious and efficient manner. Good for the NCAA, good for the legal system, and most importantly this is great for the victims to see that this nation is no longer going to go easy on the people who commit these acts and the people who cover it up.

 

[Fern]

Slap on the wrist. And isn't a loss of Scholarships going to hurt the students more?

I have to agree with those who believe these are harsh sanctions that will seriously impact the football program.

The eminence of a football program basically comes down to two things: quality of coaches and quality of players.

The sum total of these sanctions should work to deal a harsh blow to both. Effectively, the PSU football team has been nuked into something akin to a Division2 program. The importance, power and influence of the football program should become greatly diminished (whereas before it was too great).

In an unusual step the NCAA is allowing ALL players the opportunity to freely transfer to other schools under extremely favorable conditions. This is extremely benevolent to the current players (and those who are in high school now but have committed) and shows that the NCAA considers them victims in all of this.

Big reduction in number of scholarship players, no post season bowls, loss of money etc. will keep many of the better players and, therefore, coaches from choosing PSU for quite a few years.

Fern

 

[blankslate]

Also, no NCAA rules were broken.

As if the NCAA should put in every possible crime as against their rules.

Sorry but they have authority over the football program and if people in that program turned a blind eye or at best made minor efforts to let others know about a child rapist then I for one support the NCAA in it's actions.

 

[GoPackGo]

what good does removing wins do? If you want to strip credit from the head coach, that is fine...but why should the students suffer as well?

 

[Fern]

what good does removing wins do? If you want to strip credit from the head coach, that is fine...but why should the students suffer as well?

I don't see how stripping wins in the history books hurts any student or player.

I think it was aimed at JoePa, and his legacy etc.

Fern

 

[NeoV]

why/how are students suffering? The scholarships that are lost are for football players only.

 

[bfdd]

seriously over stepping imo. They should not have removed the wins, that's absolute garbage and doesn't just shit on the program or the coaches, it shits on all the players that worked so fucking hard for those wins. NCAA proves again they care absolutely nothing for the people that actually play the sports and everything about their money, prestige and image.

 

[Pens1566]

why/how are students suffering? The scholarships that are lost are for football players only.

And those students that would have used those schollys will get ones at a different school. They're not being hurt.

 

[cubby1223]

seriously over stepping imo. They should not have removed the wins, that's absolute garbage and doesn't just shit on the program or the coaches, it shits on all the players that worked so fucking hard for those wins. NCAA proves again they care absolutely nothing for the people that actually play the sports and everything about their money, prestige and image.

?

Those players who went on to the NFL, still keep their NFL jobs and contracts. Doesn't affect them in the least, other than the knowledge they were coached by a pedophile-protector.

Those players who did not make it to the NFL, still keep whatever current job they are working, and their current salary. Doesn't affect them, again, other than the knowledge they were coached by a pedophile-protector.

 

[cubby1223]

I don't see how stripping wins in the history books hurts any student or player.

I think it was aimed at JoePa, and his legacy etc.

Fern

Exactly.

Nobody can ever brag about Paterno's record without bringing up Sandusky. Even years or decades from now.

 

[SheHateMe]

Penn State is fucked.

Damn...

Welp, Michigan State University will happily accept any players that want to be champions!

 

[DominionSeraph]

"Article 6.1 of the NCAA’s Constitution states that “[t]he control and responsibility for the conduct of intercollegiate athletics shall be exercised by the institution itself and by the conference(s).”"

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"Article 10 of NCAA Division 1 manual states that “ndividuals employed by a member institution to administer, conduct or coach intercollegiate athletics . . . shall act with honesty and sportsmanship at all times.” Rule 10.1(d) indicates that the cover-up that occurred protecting Sandusky’s actions would also run afoul of the NCAA code of ethical conduct:
“Unethical conduct . . . . may include, but is not limited to . . . (d) knowingly furnishing or knowingly influencing others to furnish the NCAA or the individual’s institution false or misleading information concerning an individual’s involvement in or knowledge of matters relevant to a possible violation of an NCAA regulation.”

Except there is no NCAA regulation against having sex with non-student-athlete little boys.

Sandusky did not violate any NCAA rules, and Joe Paterno didn't violate any by not reporting Sandusky to the NCAA.
The NCAA is arbitrarily jumping on Sandusky and JoePa. If Sandusky's crime was driving 1MPH over the limit, and JoePa knew about it and didn't report it to the cops, would his wins still be vacated and Penn State hit with a $60 million fine?

The NCAA is just being a self-righteous prick.

 

[SheHateMe]

Except there is no NCAA regulation against having sex with non-student-athlete little boys.

Sandusky did not violate any NCAA rules, and Joe Paterno didn't violate any by not reporting Sandusky to the NCAA.
The NCAA is arbitrarily jumping on Sandusky and JoePa. If Sandusky's crime was driving 1MPH over the limit, and JoePa knew about it and didn't report it to the cops, would his wins still be vacated and Penn State hit with a $60 million fine?

The NCAA is just being a self-righteous prick.

So what's your stance? Don't punish the Organization for covering it up, don't punish Sandusky or Paterno either? Everything is just peachy...those kids weren't on Penn State's roster..so no foul?

 

[tgferg67]

I think some are questioning the NCAA authority to rule on criminal matters.
They have not done this in the past. Their function/rulings in the past were about keeping competition fair. Are they now going to be consistant and go after other lesser criminal matters at schools?

 

[Pr0d1gy]

seriously over stepping imo. They should not have removed the wins, that's absolute garbage and doesn't just shit on the program or the coaches, it shits on all the players that worked so fucking hard for those wins. NCAA proves again they care absolutely nothing for the people that actually play the sports and everything about their money, prestige and image.

You know who was the QB for the last remaining win on JoePa's record? Mike McQueary. I think that speaks volumes about how the NCAA feels about this situation. The one guy who tried to do something about it is the last winning QB in Penn State history as of this moment, and RIGHTLY SO.

 

[cubby1223]

Except there is no NCAA regulation against having sex with non-student-athlete little boys.

Sandusky did not violate any NCAA rules, and Joe Paterno didn't violate any by not reporting Sandusky to the NCAA.
The NCAA is arbitrarily jumping on Sandusky and JoePa. If Sandusky's crime was driving 1MPH over the limit, and JoePa knew about it and didn't report it to the cops, would his wins still be vacated and Penn State hit with a $60 million fine?

The NCAA is just being a self-righteous prick.

It specifically was the football program at Penn State that allowed these abuses to occur. And as we hand out the award for dumbest comment of the century - yes, different actions demand different punishments. The real question would be (instead of the mindless drivel you wrote), if Sandusky were not involved with a college football program, would he have have begun rotting away in prison fifteen years ago, or thirty years ago?


My personal opinion, Penn State got off easy. And the more people who continue to blindly and obsessively stand by the Penn State program, the more things like this will happen:
http://deadspin.com/5927065/here-is...e-the-joe-paterno-statue?tag=pennstatescandal


This isn't a situation like someone driving 1mph over the speed limit (why you'd compare it to that, who the fuck knows?), this is a situation which hits hard at the very essence of humanity. Of decency. Of morality. In my opinion.

 

[Genx87]

Except there is no NCAA regulation against having sex with non-student-athlete little boys.

Sandusky did not violate any NCAA rules, and Joe Paterno didn't violate any by not reporting Sandusky to the NCAA.
The NCAA is arbitrarily jumping on Sandusky and JoePa. If Sandusky's crime was driving 1MPH over the limit, and JoePa knew about it and didn't report it to the cops, would his wins still be vacated and Penn State hit with a $60 million fine?

The NCAA is just being a self-righteous prick.

You are kidding us right? If a schools president, athletic director, and football headcoach conspire to cover up child rape. That is about as textbook lack of institutional control as it gets. Of course the NCAA doesnt have a rule on child rape. I am sure they dont have a rule on a coach bombing a building neither.

 

[Genx87]

This is about right on the sanctions. I dont think it is as bad as the death penalty though. SMU lost more scholarships over the same period of time and two entire seasons. Their program was completely gutted. Nothing left by the 89 season. PSU will still get to collect revenues and compete at a level of a FCS team.

The NCAA had to send a msg on this one. You cant have the upper echelon of a university cover something these heinous up for 15 years and not be punished harshly.

 

[PokerGuy]

Sandusky did not violate any NCAA rules, and Joe Paterno didn't violate any by not reporting Sandusky to the NCAA.

Does the term "lack of institutional control" ring a bell? What the NCAA went after is that the football program had apparently gotten so big and powerful that the normal rules of the university did not apply to it (or its players). A situation where even a heinous crime was covered up to protect the almighty football program. In other words, lack of institutional control over the athletic department.

These sanctions are harsh, they are meant to give every other school out there reason to evaluate its own policies and procedures to make sure they don't get in a similar position in the future.

As far as the individuals involved, Paterno is dead, Sandusky is in jail forever, Curly and Shultz are on trial, and Spanier could still be tried as well. The NCAA still has the option of further punishing those individuals after the regular legal process is done.

If Sandusky's crime was driving 1MPH over the limit, and JoePa knew about it and didn't report it to the cops, would his wins still be vacated and Penn State hit with a $60 million fine?

Of course not, and there's nothing wrong with that.

 

[davmat787]

You are kidding us right? If a schools president, athletic director, and football headcoach conspire to cover up child rape. That is about as textbook lack of institutional control as it gets. Of course the NCAA doesnt have a rule on child rape. I am sure they dont have a rule on a coach bombing a building neither.

To add some contrast, my UW Huskies were hit with a 'lack of institutional control' penalties during the Billy Jo Hobert scandal during the early 90's.

And the crimes committed that led to the 'lack of institutional control' penalty don't even belong in the same time zone as to what was happening in Penn State.

After the success of the 1991 season, Hobert became implicated in a major NCAA scandal when it was revealed he had received a series of loans totaling $50,000 made by friends and family while Hobert himself had no assets and no specific payment schedule.[2] This would cost Hobert his college eligibility, and was a mitigating factor in the University receiving NCAA sanctions for lack of institutional control, in turn leading to head coach Don James resigning in protest.[2] Although several other Huskies players were implicated in improprieties, Hobert became the most well-known face of the sanctions, leading to him receiving death threats.[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Joe_Hobert