WelshBloke
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I agree. Maybe make it against the law to enter the country illegally or something.
Whoa there dude! Let's not get radical about this.
I agree. Maybe make it against the law to enter the country illegally or something.
As if we needed any more evidence that Republicans are corrupt evil greedy anti-American bastards.
And if they dont use eVerify how would the "knowingly" be employing illegals?
Are you suggesting they should be engaging in some form of racial/ethnic profiling? :sneaky:
Actual innocence and plausible deniability aren't the same thing.
Agribusiness hires workers who don't speak English, often through an arrangement with a farm labor broker, who organizes the crews & helps them fill out the paperwork. The workers are migrants, of course, so there's no point in using the E-verify system after 9 months when they've been gone for 3-6 months, is there?
Of course not. Which is *obviously* the reason that N Carolina Repubs want to change their own rules. The 90 day window doesn't provide for the plausible deniability their agribusiness contributors need. Instead of agribusiness needing to lie, their representatives do it for them, pandering to their anti-illegal base the whole time. And they're believed, somehow.
Don't worry- they'll be right back up on their anti- illegal soapbox when an election approaches, depending on their base to have the memory & distractability of fruit flies.
So again. You are suggesting that people who don't speak English should be profiled as illegal immigrants? :hmm:
I'm suggesting that N Carolina Repub are hypocrites, and so are you.
I have no quarrel with migrant farm workers & believe that it should be a lot easier for them to enter this country & be legal doing it. It's a hard life, just made harder by being illegal.
Legal farm workers demand & get better wages, & aren't as subject to the same sort of fear & intimidation tactics used to exploit undocumented workers. It's not like undocumented agricultural workers find their own jobs. Agribusiness wants & employs illegal labor crews. They all know the score, know which brokers supply illegal labor crews, because they're cheaper. You know it too.
I don't get any political mileage pandering to anti- illegal sentiment even as I make it easier for my financial supporters to employ them, unlike N Carolina Repubs.
There is nothing hypocritical about not holding private citizens to a higher standard of immigration law enforcement than actual law enforcement.
Which is in fact what libs want to do.
And how are they suppose to know if someone is illegal or not if the don't run E-Verify?
Are you suggesting they engage in some form of racial profiling?
Good thing then the Dems that represent NC will go nuclear in preventing this, to protect their common working man base they try and play to so hard for votes. Oh wait...they won't...who is lapping what up again? Some people here are so LULZ it's getting to the point they're not even LULZ anymore. At some point one becomes almost desensitized to the comedy...
I'm suggesting that N Carolina Repub are hypocrites, and so are you.
I have no quarrel with migrant farm workers & believe that it should be a lot easier for them to enter this country & be legal doing it. It's a hard life, just made harder by being illegal.
Legal farm workers demand & get better wages, & aren't as subject to the same sort of fear & intimidation tactics used to exploit undocumented workers. It's not like undocumented agricultural workers find their own jobs. Agribusiness wants & employs illegal labor crews. They all know the score, know which brokers supply illegal labor crews, because they're cheaper. You know it too.
I don't get any political mileage pandering to anti- illegal sentiment even as I make it easier for my financial supporters to employ them, unlike N Carolina Repubs.
Why should private citizens be expected to enforce federal immigration laws if the states are prohibited from doing so?
Why should private businesses be expected to verify immigration status when public schools will not?
There is nothing hypocritical about not holding private citizens to a higher standard of immigration law enforcement than actual law enforcement.
Which is in fact what libs want to do.
And how are they suppose to know if someone is illegal or not if the don't run E-Verify?
Are you suggesting they engage in some form of racial profiling?
So even though we have a pretty good way of preventing illegals from gaining employment within the US, which is their primary motivation for coming here, we shouldn't employ it until such time that we can get the feds to uphold a higher standard in their law enforcement efforts?
That is a really fucking bad idea. Don't get me wrong, I want nothing more than to see the feds uphold the law but waiting for them to do so before implementing other measures is patently retarded. Its worse than retarded actually, its embracing the status quo. If you are happy with that, fine argue for that but don't pretend to be against the status quo while defending actions that do nothing but give us the status quo.
The point is that Agribusiness doesn't want to know, so that they can retain plausible deniability. Their Repub friends are just helping them to do that, even as they hold an anti- illegal stance. They're having it both ways, embracing hypocrisy, as usual, and I'm confident their base will lap it up. You already have.
If the Spanish speaking person says he is legal why shouldn't the farmer be able to take his word for it? After all its good enough for the police.
Are you implying Hispanics are untrustworthy?
This is exactly how I see it, and was my point in posting this thread. It's just an odd situation no matter how you look at it.What an odd conundrum the Repub Party created for itself where it has to pander to their base whose sorely needed votes are aimed at creating strict immigration controls to "Keep 'Murica, 'Murican" and simultaneously pander to those awfully rich businessmen whose sorely needed Super PAC $$$ and campaign donations are targeted in the opposite direction, aiming to keep the borders wide open so they can violate the laws of the land by hiring cheap illegal slave labor.
Two diametrically opposed agendas coming from the same party, yet they somehow seem to be happy with this arrangement.
If the Dem Party had the same problem I'd guess that they'd be at each others throats over this.
Because we don't want illegal immigrants and the absolute best and cheapest way of getting them not to come here is to prevent them from being able to get a job/make money for a $1,000 Alex?
Actually the US public gets cheap food and the largest economy in the world.
imagine if the TSA couldn't check to see if you are on a no fly list until after you board the plane and it takes off.The process, according to Calabrese, is not supposed to be a pre-screening system for potential hires. In fact, he said, if employers follow the procedural rules, "You're not supposed to do E-Verify until after you've hired someone."
I am saying that when
(1) Public schools are blocked from verifying immigration status, something I assume our lefty friends are fine with
(2) When Democrats pass laws granting government funding to illegal immigrant to attend public universities
(3) When Democrats throw a fit when actual state law enforcement attempt to verify immigration status
that it is a bit hypocritical for these same people to throw a fit that Republicans won't force private citizens to verify immigration status.
Or lets put it this way. If illegal immigrants can confidently stand around wearing shirts proclaiming their illegal status, show up at congressional offices proclaiming their illegal status... maybe we should stop worrying about private businesses?
Could do both.
It's pretty hypocritical for someone to want to verify and whatever illegals yet on the other hand is just fine having American citizen taxpayers pay the bill for known-illegal kids to go to school. And probably pay for their lunches and things too.
If the Spanish speaking person says he is legal why shouldn't the farmer be able to take his word for it? After all its good enough for the police.
Are you implying Hispanics are untrustworthy?
Wow, I guess I completely misunderstood your position on illegal immigration. You obviously have no issue with it at all and think we should let them, and all that follow, to stay, work and live the same as their legal counterparts. I knew this was the stance of most elected Republicans but I was under the impression that the rank and file didn't agree with the actions of their party.
So you are saying that due to the actions of the left concerning illegals and the public sector that the right should simply concede the entire illegal immigration issue altogether?