NC Republicans have lost their minds (re: illegal immigration & background checks)

[NFS4]

I just don't get it. The Republican legislature has been bitching and bitching about illegal immigration and how we should toughen our laws and kick out all of the illegals.

However, to protect their interests (farming), they pass a bill that would extend the E-verify (background checks for employees) from 90 days to 9 months. The Republican says "Fuck that, that's ridiculous" and vetoes it. State legislature overrides the veto. :hmm:

House members backing House Bill 786, which eases requirements for employees to be checked against the federal E-Verify system, passed with even more cushion. House members voted 84-32 in favor of the bill, also sending it to the Senate.

The bill would extend from 90 days to nine months the amount of time that an employee could work without undergoing a background check in the E-Verify system, which is meant to ensure workers are legal U.S. residents or citizens.

"We've got a 9-percent unemployment rate, and here we are with a jobs bill for illegal aliens? It makes absolutely no sense," Rep. George Cleveland, R-Onslow, said.

Cleveland backed McCrory's veto, as did sheriffs around the state who said it was important to enforce current immigration laws.

But agricultural interests, including Agriculture Commissioner Steve Troxler and roughly a dozen growers' associations, said they needed the bill.

"Ninety days will not work for the farmers in my area," said Rep. Jeff Collins, R-Nash, the House majority whip.

Collins said that immigrant workers frequently work three or four different crops and that requiring an E-Verify search for seasonal labor could leave produce rotting in the fields.

So basically, illegal immigration is bad... unless you can pay them under the minimum wage, under the table to work your fields...

http://www.wral.com/house-votes-to-override-two-vetoes/12847809/

 

[bshole]

As if we needed any more evidence that Republicans are corrupt evil greedy anti-American bastards.

 

[nehalem256]

Why should private citizens be expected to enforce federal immigration laws if the states are prohibited from doing so?

Why should private businesses be expected to verify immigration status when public schools will not?

 

[PokerGuy]

Just another example of why we're screwed and destined to be overrun by illegals from all over the place: the left views them as great new government aid candidates that will surely translate into votes for decades, and the right views them as cheap labor for their business interests. The US public get screwed in the process.

 

[Anarchist420]

Actually, arguing that they're cheap labor is stupid because more people creates more demand.

I don't like how most of them are anti-libertarian, but nothing can really be done about that other than to secede now. The longer secession waits, the worse things will be.

 

[piasabird]

Change the immigration laws if you don't like them!

 

[piasabird]

In Europe to immigrate legally you have to have a background check and doctors exam and get your immunizations up to date. No such thing for illegals. They can bring in any disease they want.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Change the immigration laws if you don't like them!

enforcement of what exists is lacking.

When the top dog says it is OK to not obey the laws and tells his underlings to ignore enforcement; changing a valid/solid law accomplished nothing.

 

[zinfamous]

In Europe to immigrate legally you have to have a background check and doctors exam and get your immunizations up to date. No such thing for illegals. They can bring in any disease they want.

Eh, what's your point? We have those same requirements for legal immigration. Illegals anywhere would skirt them just as well.

I don't see the need to say "In Europe, blah!"

 

[Tom]

Just another example of why we're screwed and destined to be overrun by illegals from all over the place: the left views them as great new government aid candidates that will surely translate into votes for decades, and the right views them as cheap labor for their business interests. The US public get screwed in the process.

Actually the US public gets cheap food and the largest economy in the world.

 

[Zaap]

Actually the US public gets cheap food and the largest economy in the world.

Pfffft!

Man. Where do you even begin?

 

[shortylickens]

Neither republicans nor democrats wish to eliminate illegals.

The only difference is their plans for them when they arrive.

 

[Pocatello]

Different people with different, conflicting interests, how odd. Don't Republicans suppose to think the same everywhere?

 

[Fayd]

As if we needed any more evidence that Republicans are corrupt evil greedy anti-American bastards.

i am shocked and dismayed that elected officials would support their constituents over the wishes of other citizens who are not their constituents.

oh wait, that's normal.

 

[Fern]

-snip-
So basically, illegal immigration is bad... unless you can pay them under the minimum wage, under the table to work your fields...

What, pray tell, does this bill have to do minimum wage or paying illegal wages?

The answer is nothing.

Since we know states don't control illegal immigration, we'd probably need to know about the background to understand what's really going on here. IDK, but perhaps NC has some penalty for employers who hire illegal immigrants. This bill would seem to give farmer/employers more leeway before penalizing them for hiring illegal migrant farm workers.

Not sure how this represents anyone "losing their minds".

And an employers use of E-Verify is not a simple issue. Employers can and have been sued for using it to deny prospective employees a job on the basis they are illegal. The Treasury/IRS maintains E-Verify and they have told us (tax practitioners) publicly to inform our clients NOT to use it for that purposes or they may be liable in civil litigation.

Fern

 

[Jhhnn]

Why should private citizens be expected to enforce federal immigration laws if the states are prohibited from doing so?

No private citizens are expected to apprehend, detain or deport illegal immigrants.

Why should private businesses be expected to verify immigration status when public schools will not?

Why should we accept the usual anti-illegal hypocrisy from those whose contributors knowingly employ illegals, then demand that they be allowed not just to continue, but to expand the practice?

The requirements only exist at the state level. The E-verify system is voluntary at the federal level.

 

[Jhhnn]

What, pray tell, does this bill have to do minimum wage or paying illegal wages?

The answer is nothing.

Since we know states don't control illegal immigration, we'd probably need to know about the background to understand what's really going on here. IDK, but perhaps NC has some penalty for employers who hire illegal immigrants. This bill would seem to give farmer/employers more leeway before penalizing them for hiring illegal migrant farm workers.

Not sure how this represents anyone "losing their minds".

And an employers use of E-Verify is not a simple issue. Employers can and have been sued for using it to deny prospective employees a job on the basis they are illegal. The Treasury/IRS maintains E-Verify and they have told us (tax practitioners) publicly to inform our clients NOT to use it for that purposes or they may be liable in civil litigation.

Fern

Sounds peachy, except that it was N Carolina Repubs who insisted on using the system in their usual anti-illegal fervor, but now things are different, apparently. There's no election looming, and they're throwing lots of red meat to their base with other measures as described in the article.

You're right in saying they haven't lost their minds, but rather embrace hypocrisy as their lover. It just looks crazy to people who don't understand that.

 

[nehalem256]

Why should we accept the usual anti-illegal hypocrisy from those whose contributors knowingly employ illegals, then demand that they be allowed not just to continue, but to expand the practice?

And if they dont use eVerify how would the "knowingly" be employing illegals?

Are you suggesting they should be engaging in some form of racial/ethnic profiling? :sneaky:

 

[Dari]

Just another example of why we're screwed and destined to be overrun by illegals from all over the place: the left views them as great new government aid candidates that will surely translate into votes for decades, and the right views them as cheap labor for their business interests. The US public get screwed in the process.

Actually it's the middle class that is getting screwed. Social and corporate welfare are sucking hard (even biting) on government tests, draining her of her life-force and having the country go further into debt. Neither pays much in taxes (percentage-wise). That leaves the middle-class to shoulder the heaven burden.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Pfffft!

Man. Where do you even begin?

Begin anywhere. I want to read a giant talking-point riddled rant about why we need more government and more regulation of free trade from ATOT's latest up-and-coming right-winger.

 

[Matt1970]

What difference does it make when they will all be granted amnesty anyways?

 

[Zaap]

...more government and more regulation ...right-winger.

*chuckle* I see someone is majorly confused.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

*chuckle* I see someone is majorly confused.

Judging from the posts I've read of yours, you likely describe yourself as either conservative or libertarian. Further, your small-government credo falls short when it comes to immigration and some forms of international trade. Am I mistaken in either of these?

 

[Zaap]

Small government doesn't mean anarchy and it sure as hell doesn't mean no rule of law, nor does it mean no national sovereignty.

 

[OGOC]

Change the immigration laws if you don't like them!

I agree. Maybe make it against the law to enter the country illegally or something.