NC proposed bill: Ban any 'free' EV charging stations in the state

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That's easy, everytime someone uses the charger, a bill is sent to the North Cal Republican Party.
 
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That's the craziest set of laws I've heard in some time.

Given that it seems the basis for this can only be anxiety about profits for the gasoline industry, why don't they just do it directly and pass a law making it compulsory for everyone to drive a gas-driven vehicle, and compel everyone in the state to drive a certain minimum-milage every week, on pain of imprisonment?

As for this....

the bill wants businesses (restaurants etc.) with free charging stations to print at the bottom of every receipt how much of the customer’s bill goes towards subsidizing charging — whether the customers make use of the service or not.
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Will they be doing the same with all business that provide parking spaces? As someone who does my shopping on foot or by bike, I have wondered how much I'm paying towards subsidising motorists' free parking. (Of course, when I've wondered about it, it runs into the same problem this crazy proposal does - how do you work out that figure, given the provision brings in more customers and so increases turnover?)


Surely this nonsense violates some aspect of that precious Constitution of yours? What's the point in having it if it can't prevent such whack-job laws? Can't they decide electricity is a form of 'speech'?
 
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What a petty and outright stupid hill to die on. But we've never accused republicans of being anything else I guess. So it's on brand at this point.
 
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Blah blah blah. I read the rational for why this fine bill is proclaimed to be stupid and it made no sense at all to me.

The logic speaking against the law would require a Ph.D. to unravel and I'm sure if I had one I still wouldn't agree. Great idea. Stop unfairness in its tracks, I say.
 
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pmv said:
That's the craziest set of laws I've heard in some time.

Given that it seems the basis for this can only be anxiety about profits for the gasoline industry, why don't they just do it directly and pass a law making it compulsory for everyone to drive a gas-driven vehicle, and compel everyone in the state to drive a certain minimum-milage every week, on pain of imprisonment?

As for this....



Will they be doing the same with all business that provide parking spaces? As someone who does my shopping on foot or by bike, I have wondered how much I'm paying towards subsidising motorists' free parking. (Of course, when I've wondered about it, it runs into the same problem this crazy proposal does - how do you work out that figure, given the provision brings in more customers and so increases turnover?)


Surely this nonsense violates some aspect of that precious Constitution of yours? What's the point in having it if it can't prevent such whack-job laws? Can't they decide electricity is a form of 'speech'?
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They will most likely require them to put in separate meters for the charging stations for starters, from their it's just math based on sales and the electricity cost based on the meter's shown usage. However, it wouldn't be a "current by minute figure", it would have to be a weekly, or monthly calculation. It's the only way they can even remotely come up with a figure. It's stupid and costly.
 
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IronWing said:
How weird, North Carolina has no petroleum industry and offshore drilling could kill North Carolina’s biggest industry (tourism). It’s almost like they’re being bribed to go against the interests of the voters.
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There is also a good chance NC republican legislators are just idiots, because they've decided that electric vehicle infrastructure is part of some larger culture war.
 
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IronWing said:
How weird, North Carolina has no petroleum industry and offshore drilling could kill North Carolina’s biggest industry (tourism). It’s almost like they’re being bribed to go against the interests of the voters.
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Meanwhile in Oklahoma, Kendra Horn got smeared hard for "voting against oil" because she voted against drilling in the Atlantic and ANWR. You know two places not in Oklahoma, that would lower the value of Oklahoma oil and gas.
 
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Zorba said:
Meanwhile in Oklahoma, Kendra Horn got smeared hard for "voting against oil" because she voted against drilling in the Atlantic and ANWR. You know two places not in Oklahoma, that would lower the value of Oklahoma oil and gas.
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conservatives using logic? nawwwww
 
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But free things are good, everyone like them. This sounds like a dumb idea.
 
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NWRMidnight said:
They will most likely require them to put in separate meters for the charging stations for starters, from their it's just math based on sales and the electricity cost based on the meter's shown usage. However, it wouldn't be a "current by minute figure", it would have to be a weekly, or monthly calculation. It's the only way they can even remotely come up with a figure. It's stupid and costly.
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But it's not just math, at least not simple math, because they'd need to take into account extra the custom bought in by having the charging points. And then the effect that extra custom has on their overall profit-to-cost ratio.

Just as in the case of parking spaces (which is my pet peeve - I resent paying for motorists' free parking in the form of increases in what I pay for my shopping), they'd have to trade off the cost of using what could be precious retail space (for more stock) for parking spaces, against the increases in efficiency due to attracting a higher volume of customers. It's not a simple calculation in either case.
 
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pmv said:
That's the craziest set of laws I've heard in some time.

Given that it seems the basis for this can only be anxiety about profits for the gasoline industry, why don't they just do it directly and pass a law making it compulsory for everyone to drive a gas-driven vehicle, and compel everyone in the state to drive a certain minimum-milage every week, on pain of imprisonment?

As for this....



Will they be doing the same with all business that provide parking spaces? As someone who does my shopping on foot or by bike, I have wondered how much I'm paying towards subsidising motorists' free parking. (Of course, when I've wondered about it, it runs into the same problem this crazy proposal does - how do you work out that figure, given the provision brings in more customers and so increases turnover?)


Surely this nonsense violates some aspect of that precious Constitution of yours? What's the point in having it if it can't prevent such whack-job laws? Can't they decide electricity is a form of 'speech'?
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This reminds me of some other crazy ass shit one of them crazy ass States or SM was all up in arms about.

Oh yea, the restaurant that got the 0 tip because they put a health care or something of the sort charge on the receipt. Or the ass hat left a dollar tip on a 300 dollar bill. Something like that.
 
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NWRMidnight said:
They will most likely require them to put in separate meters for the charging stations for starters, from their it's just math based on sales and the electricity cost based on the meter's shown usage. However, it wouldn't be a "current by minute figure", it would have to be a weekly, or monthly calculation. It's the only way they can even remotely come up with a figure. It's stupid and costly.
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Oh they could absolutely calculate it by the minute. Or even just flat fee is based on 1kwH based on time of day.

I am thinking there are alot of people on this forum that are not aware of the pre paid metering system the electric companies are pushing poorer people onto.

Most electric companies today have fiber running along their pole lines, that enables the smart meters on people's homes. You don't think they pay someone to drive by and take meter readings anymore do y'all?

Better yet, there alot of times where they charge based on averages.
We were without power for 4 days winter before last. I still got charged EVERY SINGLE DAY while the power was out.
 
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IronWing said:
How weird, North Carolina has no petroleum industry and offshore drilling could kill North Carolina’s biggest industry (tourism). It’s almost like they’re being bribed to go against the interests of the voters.
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The only self interest that matters is stopping socialism. Psychopaths are fucked if we start caring for each other and they are the ones promising to protect me.
 
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This is either a bunch of R's who are acting on behalf of fossil fuels, or they're just doing it to piss off liberals. Which is close to all republican politicans do anymore. They set about vandalizing and wrecking everything that would make society better. And they've been busy vandalizing voting and democracy itself, both byproducts of politial liberalism of the 18th century. Soon enough they're going to accomplish that if we aren't extremely vigilant.
 
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DaaQ said:
Oh they could absolutely calculate it by the minute. Or even just flat fee is based on 1kwH based on time of day.

I am thinking there are alot of people on this forum that are not aware of the pre paid metering system the electric companies are pushing poorer people onto.

Most electric companies today have fiber running along their pole lines, that enables the smart meters on people's homes. You don't think they pay someone to drive by and take meter readings anymore do y'all?

Better yet, there alot of times where they charge based on averages.
We were without power for 4 days winter before last. I still got charged EVERY SINGLE DAY while the power was out.
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I see you have never managed a restaurant. It's not something that can be calculated by the minute because it's all influenced by to many changing factors. Lets list a few: number of total guests per minute, number of people on each check. How long every guest was there from start to finish. Electricity costs that change based on usuage, in some states it's also influenced by time of day... guests are also only counted once the order is put in, so what about waiting lists, etc... Again, it would be impossible to give an accurate cost on a customers check by the minute. Any figure given no matter the frequency of the calculation, will only be an estimate, as some of the needed data required can only be based off estimations and averages.

Getting the meter readings via wifi or mobile connection is not the problem.
 
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