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NBC's Brian Williams - "suicide bombers = Navy SEALs"

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Chris Matthews - "Here we have maybe 24 people who have lived in London and England and the free world for all these years that become citizens, subjects of the Crown, and, yet, after having gotten to know us, they want to kill themselves to hurt us. Isn't that an even deeper conundrum here than the chemicals being used in these attacks?"

Brian Williams - "And that, Chris, that last aspect, the willingness to take one's own life -- I always tell people there are guys on our team like that, too. They're called Army Rangers and Navy Seals and the Special Forces folks and the first responders on 9/11 who went into those buildings knowing, by the way, they weren't going to come out. So we have players like that on our team."


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I don't think he was intended to compare suicide bombers to navy seals. More like he was saying they have some crazy bastages that will blow themselves up but we have some brave people on our side who will give up their life as well.

Of course I have the luxury of reading the text. Listening to it live, it would be easy to misinterpret.
 
I think he was compairing bravery not ethical or moral issues. Lets face it how many missions in the US armed services have been basically suicide missions? Granted there is a chance they would come out of it (unlike the suicide bombers), but still. His point is valid that both sides have people willing to sacrifice everything for the good of their cause.

BTW not saying both causes are equal or that terrorists aren't scum.
 
Brian Williams - "And that, Chris, that last aspect, the willingness to take one's own life -- I always tell people there are guys on our team like that, too. . . . So we have players like that on our team."
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Way to miss the point . . . listen to a few more times and see if it sinks in.
 
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Oh I don't know anout that - Jesse Ventura was a Navy Seal . . and he blew himself up . . Politically.
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Are you going to make one semi-intelligent post this week?
Just wondering.
 
Well, I think thing bravery comparison is dumb.

Bravery and selflessness is typically extremely foolish is an armed conflict. The Brave solider = dead one.

Your Spec Ops, SEAL', SAS , they aren't brave at all. Instead, they are very calculated professional . They plan there operations like clockwork, they under go extensive physical and mental training, that enable to to make well thought out and calculations even in high tension battle field situations.

No Spec Ops operations are planned in a way that thay would take casualties as Spec Ops operators are extremely expensive to train. If things go down the drain, some one has in the spec op team has "f'ed" up..
 
Originally posted by: daniel49
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Oh I don't know anout that - Jesse Ventura was a Navy Seal . . and he blew himself up . . Politically.
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Are you going to make one semi-intelligent post this week?
Just wondering.
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play nice 😛
 
Originally posted by: AAjax
Originally posted by: daniel49
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Oh I don't know anout that - Jesse Ventura was a Navy Seal . . and he blew himself up . . Politically.
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Are you going to make one semi-intelligent post this week?
Just wondering.
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play nice 😛
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sorry, I resisted on his last 10 posts on various topics and then gave in.😀
 
Originally posted by: daniel49
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Oh I don't know anout that - Jesse Ventura was a Navy Seal . . and he blew himself up . . Politically.
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Are you going to make one semi-intelligent post this week?
Just wondering.
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Some people wouldn't understand sarcasm even if it bashed them up along side the head with a halibut.

Get it?

 
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Originally posted by: daniel49
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Oh I don't know anout that - Jesse Ventura was a Navy Seal . . and he blew himself up . . Politically.
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Are you going to make one semi-intelligent post this week?
Just wondering.
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Some people wouldn't understand sarcasm even if it bashed them up along side the head with a halibut.

Get it?
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Are you being sarcastic?
 
Didn't he get the memo? "Suicide bombers" must be referred to as "homicide bombers", when broadcasters on Fox make that mistake they get the bullwhip, I expect the same from NBC.
 
Brian Williams - "And that, Chris, that last aspect, the willingness to take one's own life -- I always tell people there are guys on our team like that, too. They're called Army Rangers and Navy Seals and the Special Forces folks and the first responders on 9/11 who went into those buildings knowing, by the way, they weren't going to come out. So we have players like that on our team."
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I don?t agree with him at all. A dangerous situation is not the same as taking a bomb, holding it, and then detonating it. While, I suppose both accept the risks of dying, killing oneself with a bomb vest does not equate because it?s a guaranteed death.
 
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Brian Williams - "And that, Chris, that last aspect, the willingness to take one's own life -- I always tell people there are guys on our team like that, too. They're called Army Rangers and Navy Seals and the Special Forces folks and the first responders on 9/11 who went into those buildings knowing, by the way, they weren't going to come out. So we have players like that on our team."
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I don?t agree with him at all. A dangerous situation is not the same as taking a bomb, holding it, and then detonating it. While, I suppose both accept the risks of dying, killing oneself with a bomb vest does not equate because it?s a guaranteed death.
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Note: I am not putting words in your mouth . . .

Are you saying those that know they are going to die by their actions have a greater dedication to their cause than those that merely have a 'risk' of dying?
 
Originally posted by: rudder
I don't think he was intended to compare suicide bombers to navy seals. More like he was saying they have some crazy bastages that will blow themselves up but we have some brave people on our side who will give up their life as well.

Of course I have the luxury of reading the text. Listening to it live, it would be easy to misinterpret.
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I heard it last night on TV and I got the same impression as you got from reading it.
 
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Brian Williams - "And that, Chris, that last aspect, the willingness to take one's own life -- I always tell people there are guys on our team like that, too. They're called Army Rangers and Navy Seals and the Special Forces folks and the first responders on 9/11 who went into those buildings knowing, by the way, they weren't going to come out. So we have players like that on our team."
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I don?t agree with him at all. A dangerous situation is not the same as taking a bomb, holding it, and then detonating it. While, I suppose both accept the risks of dying, killing oneself with a bomb vest does not equate because it?s a guaranteed death.
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Note: I am not putting words in your mouth . . .

Are you saying those that know they are going to die by their actions have a greater dedication to their cause than those that merely have a 'risk' of dying?
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Depends on what dedication you are referring to.

Dedication to dying, then yes. Dedication to what they are doing, no difference. When getting the job done IS your own death, I find it difficult to compare that to rescue personal and soldiers.
 
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