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NBC Rejects Ad From Conservative Group
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eits
Lifer
that just sounds so ridiculous... that phrase.
"product of the liberal media"... what would that be, exactly? someone who likes fairness and equality? someone who isn't ethnocentric and arrogant? someone who thinks that our government isn't being honest with our public?
i just don't understand what a product of liberal media would be like other than rational and normal, as opposed to someone brainwashed by the conservative media. it's easy to spot someone brainwashed or a product of the conservative media (it's usually someone who doesn't know about very much, but believes stuff anyway), but i can't really figure out how a product of the liberal media would be anything other than a normal, rational person.
i guess that's partly because i'm a liberal, but mostly because a majority of people in the world are, too. it's outside of the norm to buy into the american neocon/conservative view of life.
miketheidiot
Lifer
this thread is packed with stupidity and hypocrisy.
Hayabusa Rider
Admin Emeritus & Elite Member
The only confirmed terrorist activity in Iraq happened across the no-fly zone where Saddam was effectively removed from control.
As for Germany, what "we" (the "West", particularly France- the US didn't want any part of it) did was implement the Treaty of Versailles which literally starved the German people. That directly resulted in the conditions which led to the Nazi party and Hitler who pretty much promised to get even for the deaths of their children.
WWII came about because France wanted to punish Germany. In Iraq we have punished people who never harmed us at all. Congrats. You are now French.
As far as NBC goes, I have to agree with Prof J. Not choosing to run an ad is their choice (although I don't care for political censorship). If they are consistent with this policy then so be it.
Red Dawn
Elite Member
"It's a long-term policy, it goes back decades," Wurtzel said of NBC's stance of declining controversial issue advertising.
He suggested that Freedom's Watch did not alter the ad in order to force NBC to reject it and thus get media attention." And NBC played right into their hands. This exactly what Freedom Watch wanted, not the actual Ad run.
I really don't see this as censorship. No one is preventing them from saying anything. No one is preventing them from running the ad. One specific outlet out of many is simply refusing to do business with another entity.
I simply see this as one business refusing to do business with another. As long as they are within their legal rights to do so then I will support their right to do so. We can argue the ethics of the decision but personally I think a media outlet should have the right to refuse to broadcast advertisements they disagree with; With the exception of actual political ads campaigning for or against a candidate (which this is most definately not) they should be free to do business with whoever the hell they want (within the law).
OT question about the law: Are 3rd party ads for/against a candidate (such as the Swiftboat ads) during an election period legally considered "political ads"? I ask because I do believe that if a media outlet runs a 3rd party ad that they should have to run ads in "response" to them. On the same note, anyone know of a site that explains the political broadcast laws in relatively plain English?
3chordcharlie
Diamond Member
You say a lot of stupid things, but this is right up there.
Did the liberal media make Bush and Cheney give speeches about WMDs and implicitly linking Saddam to 9/11? Did they manufacture 'hearts and minds'?
You're really quite lost, aren't you.
imported_inspire
Senior member
I figured I'd check it out - rather than simply take NBC's word for it. I've watched the ads - you can find them Here and Here.
I didn't find them particularly controversial, the only mentions of Freedom's Watch in either of the ads are:
Thank you. To learn how you can thank our troops, visit www.FreedomsWatch.org
Paid for by Freedom's Watch
So, I visited the site - can't say I've ever been there before, but I went - and I saw the very promnent image that read 'Learn how you can support the troops by clicking here', and I clicked on it.
The page reads:
Which has no political message at all in it. Now, there is a sidebar you can click on that has options such as 'Contact Officials', 'Sign a Petition', 'Tell a Friend', etc., which can lead someone to a page with a political message - but Freedom's Watch is not trying to indoctrinate people or incite controversy with this ad.
I think NBC went looking for a reason not to air the ad. As others have said, it's their business and they can run it however they like, but I'd really rather they'd quit hiding behind this BS of 'rules' and 'policies' and just say they chose not to air the ad because they don't like Freedom's Watch.
The ads don't support the war. They don't support Bush. They only thank and support the troops, who don't have much say in where they go. Some would say that FW should have taken down their link and all would be fine - that this was a publicity stunt. I say that the commercial is worthless unless it's acted upon. The link FW provides provides a clear route to how people can help - without it, the ad is just a bunch of fluff.
I didn't find them particularly controversial, the only mentions of Freedom's Watch in either of the ads are:
Thank you. To learn how you can thank our troops, visit www.FreedomsWatch.org
Paid for by Freedom's Watch
So, I visited the site - can't say I've ever been there before, but I went - and I saw the very promnent image that read 'Learn how you can support the troops by clicking here', and I clicked on it.
The page reads:
Which has no political message at all in it. Now, there is a sidebar you can click on that has options such as 'Contact Officials', 'Sign a Petition', 'Tell a Friend', etc., which can lead someone to a page with a political message - but Freedom's Watch is not trying to indoctrinate people or incite controversy with this ad.
I think NBC went looking for a reason not to air the ad. As others have said, it's their business and they can run it however they like, but I'd really rather they'd quit hiding behind this BS of 'rules' and 'policies' and just say they chose not to air the ad because they don't like Freedom's Watch.
The ads don't support the war. They don't support Bush. They only thank and support the troops, who don't have much say in where they go. Some would say that FW should have taken down their link and all would be fine - that this was a publicity stunt. I say that the commercial is worthless unless it's acted upon. The link FW provides provides a clear route to how people can help - without it, the ad is just a bunch of fluff.
God, you people are so ideologically blinded it's sad. Does nobody remember how Moveon.org was prevented from running anti-Bush ads during the Super Bowl last year? Is your memory really that short, or is it just that selective?
The Super Bowl is the single biggest TV event there is, and leftist groups were denied the ability to run ads. What about that liberal media again?
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