Carter only missed 7 games last season. Not bad for him. Hopefully he will play a full season next year I still love watching him play. I have to give it to Isiah though hes not doing to bad with the Knicks rebuild. If it dosen't pan out though the Knicks are screwed for years with cap constricting contracts.
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Carter only missed 7 games last season. Not bad for him. Hopefully he will play a full season next year I still love watching him play. I have to give it to Isiah though hes not doing to bad with the Knicks rebuild. If it dosen't pan out though the Knicks are screwed for years with cap constricting contracts.
Nikamichi
Diamond Member
First off, Houston is a shell of the player he used to be? He had a knee injury this past year and he's already a has-been?? We're talking about one of the best 2 guards in the NBA today, a career 18ppg scorer.
I agree that Tim Thomas looks great in the uniform, and that's because he does what he has to. It's well known that he's an underchiever, much like the guy he was traded for - KVH. Last year he was the 3rd option, all the while averaging 16/5 for the Knicks. If he were to breakout and have an allstar season, that'd be a plus.
Mohammed, average at best...sure. He's not our savior at center, but who said otherwise? I guess that's why Isiah Thomas is pursuing Dampier? Hmm...
Kurt Thomas, an above average defender/powerforward. Undersized? It doesn't matter when you have a 3-headed monster at PF w/Thomas, Sweetney, & Baker.
Marbury is Marbury. Yep, that's him...the proven 20ppg/8apg player.
Marbury for Carter helps the Knicks? That's definitely a ridiculous statement. If anyone is a shell of his former self, it's washed up Carter. Toronto can hold onto his shaky knees.
And go ahead, keep your 7/8 ranking. If you watched basketball at all during the playoffs you would know the Knicks finished with the 7th seed despite not having Houston, a 20ppg scorer.
I'll take my chances with this starting lineup over your Cavaliers anyday:
PG: Stephon Marbury, Moochie Norris
SG: Allan Houston, Jamal Crawford, Penny Hardaway
SF: Tim Thomas, Shandon Anderson, Trevor Ariza
PF: Kurt Thomas, Jerome Williams, Mike Sweetney
C: Nazr Mohammed, Vin Baker
Add in Dampier, and you've got one of the deepest teams in the league.
And as for your statement concerning the Bucks, well it sums up your knowledge of basketball pretty well...that's for sure. If you're gonna talk as if you know basketball, don't try to sound like another wannabe analyst.
Deeko
Lifer
NeoV, really, you are a fool if you think the Knicks will be that bad. Last year they did decent, making the playoffs at least, with Houston injured much of the season, and most of the players being mashed together at various parts of the year. Throw in a few new players(Crawford will be a great guard of the bench, no way in hell he is starting over Houston), Dampier, who knows who else, and have them work together all offseason to get a better feel for each other, and you've got one sick team. I think trading for Carter would be a huge mistake...yea, he's better than Houston when he's healthy, but they'd have to give up too much to get him, its not worth it if you ask me.
Hey NBA Einsteins, if you don't believe me, will you listen to someone who writes for ESPN? Read it HERE
Allan Houston isn't even in the top 10 2 guards today - he is not physically the player he was three seasons ago.
Tim Thomas "does what he has to?" What does that even mean?
Vince Carter is washed up?
Where did the Bucks finish last season Nik? Why is that bolded? KV Horn might be soft, be he can score.
Deeko, Crawford will be a great guard off the bench? HA! He'll be a crying baby off the bench.
Allan Houston isn't even in the top 10 2 guards today - he is not physically the player he was three seasons ago.
Tim Thomas "does what he has to?" What does that even mean?
Vince Carter is washed up?
Where did the Bucks finish last season Nik? Why is that bolded? KV Horn might be soft, be he can score.
Deeko, Crawford will be a great guard off the bench? HA! He'll be a crying baby off the bench.
Nikamichi
Diamond Member
I'm not even going to comment on that Frank Hughes article, he's an idiot. He claims the Knicks have dug themselves into salary cap hell, when in fact they'll have 30 million in cap space next year AND another $30 mil the year after.
Don't believe me? Check out the salaries for yourself... NBA Salaries
In short, Houston IS a top 10 SG (stats alone prove that).
Bucks were the 6th seed this past season, what does that translate into this upcoming season? Nada. Almost every team HAS improved except for them. They LOST Brain Skinner, their only legit big-man.
Who's their C? PF? Joe Smith...LOL.
Tim Thomas > KVH. Don't get me started on that one.
If Vince Carter wasn't washed up, he would've been traded to a playoff team by now.
Source: NBA Link
Don't believe me? Check out the salaries for yourself... NBA Salaries
In short, Houston IS a top 10 SG (stats alone prove that).
Bucks were the 6th seed this past season, what does that translate into this upcoming season? Nada. Almost every team HAS improved except for them. They LOST Brain Skinner, their only legit big-man.
Who's their C? PF? Joe Smith...LOL.
Tim Thomas > KVH. Don't get me started on that one.
If Vince Carter wasn't washed up, he would've been traded to a playoff team by now.
Source: NBA Link
Wow you have issues - the KNICKS DO NOT HAVE 30 MILLION IN CAP SPACE NEXT YEAR, PLEASE STOP - seriously, I'll help you out with the web site you are talking about in the other thread, but please don't say the Knicks will have 30 Mill in cap space next year and another 30 mill the year after that - this isn't how the cap works - and you are calling Frank Hughes an idiot? Additionally, Crawford's contract isn't updated on that site either. The official NBA cap for the 2004 season is 43.87 Million - please tell me how the Knicks, for the 05/06 season, who will be sitting at a 97 MILLION dollar payroll, not even including Crawford, are going to be 30 Million under the cap? I appreciate your enthusiasm for sports, but at least know what you are talking about. Also, the next two highest teams for the 05/06 season, on the same site you linked, are the Mavs at 79 Mil, and Indy at 69 Mil. Now do you see what the Knicks' cap situation is? Is Hughes still an idiot?
Brian Skinner was a legit big man? Since when?
Joe Smith is not much different than Tim Thomas, other that the fact that he was an even bigger bust.
Is Tim Thomas better than Keith Van Horn? Thomas' career averages are 11.9 pts and 4.1 rebounds per game, shooting 44.3% from the field and 76.3 from the line. Van Horn is 17.5, and 7.4, while shooting 44 %, 83.6 from the line.
Why should I not get you started on that one? Thomas should be ashamed of those rebounding numbers with his size and athletic ability. Van Horn might be white, slow, and not the most physical player in the league, but there aren't too many guys in this league who can score as well as he can from the 10-20 ft 'mid' range, and his rebounding numbers are very respectable, despite his reputation. Should we be surprised that Marbury and Iverson had issues playing with him? He took shots away from them! What was he thinking?
I'll grant you that the Knicks are much deeper than the Bucks are, and that the Bucks haven't done a whole lot this season, but they did get Van Horn late last season, so I guess they are thinking that was their big move. I'm assuming they are going to re-sign Kukoc at least, but they haven't even done that.
I'll believe Crawford is happy coming off the bench when I see it.
Brian Skinner was a legit big man? Since when?
Joe Smith is not much different than Tim Thomas, other that the fact that he was an even bigger bust.
Is Tim Thomas better than Keith Van Horn? Thomas' career averages are 11.9 pts and 4.1 rebounds per game, shooting 44.3% from the field and 76.3 from the line. Van Horn is 17.5, and 7.4, while shooting 44 %, 83.6 from the line.
Why should I not get you started on that one? Thomas should be ashamed of those rebounding numbers with his size and athletic ability. Van Horn might be white, slow, and not the most physical player in the league, but there aren't too many guys in this league who can score as well as he can from the 10-20 ft 'mid' range, and his rebounding numbers are very respectable, despite his reputation. Should we be surprised that Marbury and Iverson had issues playing with him? He took shots away from them! What was he thinking?
I'll grant you that the Knicks are much deeper than the Bucks are, and that the Bucks haven't done a whole lot this season, but they did get Van Horn late last season, so I guess they are thinking that was their big move. I'm assuming they are going to re-sign Kukoc at least, but they haven't even done that.
I'll believe Crawford is happy coming off the bench when I see it.
iamme
Lifer
NeoV, i know you're knowledgeable about the NBA, but i really don't see how you can pick NJ as a top team in the East, even if they keep Kidd.
NJ was already a shallow team and with losing Martin/Kittles they barely have an serviceable starting 5. i just remembered they lost Rodney Rogers, too. they signed Eric Williams and Jacque Vaughn to pick up the slack...
now, i do have faith in little Opie, Lawrence Frank. he's a good coach and will get a lot out of NJ's roster....but man, can you honestly say they're a lock to even make the playoffs?
NJ was already a shallow team and with losing Martin/Kittles they barely have an serviceable starting 5. i just remembered they lost Rodney Rogers, too. they signed Eric Williams and Jacque Vaughn to pick up the slack...
now, i do have faith in little Opie, Lawrence Frank. he's a good coach and will get a lot out of NJ's roster....but man, can you honestly say they're a lock to even make the playoffs?
I wouldn't bet my life that they are a lock, but they still have Kidd (for now anyway!), and Richard Jefferson is a top talent. They also added Ron Mercer - not a great player, but a guy who can score.
I'm not saying the Nets are a great, or even very good team, anymore - but with their experience, two premier players, and a bunch of bad teams in the East, I could easily see them still making the playoffs - Kenyon Martin isn't such a good player that without him they have no chance. Mourning's contract is still on their books - not sure how they don't get some relief for that, but the NBA has some odd rules.
I'm not saying the Nets are a great, or even very good team, anymore - but with their experience, two premier players, and a bunch of bad teams in the East, I could easily see them still making the playoffs - Kenyon Martin isn't such a good player that without him they have no chance. Mourning's contract is still on their books - not sure how they don't get some relief for that, but the NBA has some odd rules.
Its laughable that you have Knicks and powerhouse in the your title.
Let me put it in simple term.
You guys have 1 so called superstar and he is Marbury.
Lets see here...hes been run out of Minnesota, New Jersey, and Phoenix.
If he is such a star and a leader, he sure has been moved around alot.
OK, so he is a very good player. Put up great stats every year but a leader hes not.
Marbury is never going to lead any team to a championship.
Let me put it in simple term.
You guys have 1 so called superstar and he is Marbury.
Lets see here...hes been run out of Minnesota, New Jersey, and Phoenix.
If he is such a star and a leader, he sure has been moved around alot.
OK, so he is a very good player. Put up great stats every year but a leader hes not.
Marbury is never going to lead any team to a championship.
Deeko
Lifer
I didn't say Crawford would be HAPPY coming off the bench. What good player is? But you know what? You get your role and you do it. He might complain, but from a talent perspective, he is a good player off the bench. Look at their 2nd string, assuming they get Dampier....guys like Crawford, Hardaway, Mohommad, Baker, off the bench? Come on, they may not be good starters, but thats one hell of a reserve squad.
Get your FACTS straight man.
The Knicks have a $92 million payroll for 04/05 not including Crawford.
They have a $97 million payroll for 05/06 not including Crawford.
And they have $60+ million payroll for 06/07 not including Crawford.
Yeah the Knicks are tied up in salaries for a while.
LINK
So being tied up with your current players for the next 3 yrs, do you think they can even come close to contend with these players ?? I don't think so.
iamme
Lifer
first off, NY is not my team.
secondly, the same could have been said about Chauncey Billups (who's played for more teams). Chauncey led the Pistons to a championship and won Finals MVP. Before last season, if i told you that Chauncey was going to lead his team to a championship, you would have used your same argument.
regarding the "powerhouse" label....don't you think NY is in good position to be competitive in the East with the talent they are trying to stockpile? of course, it all boils down to how they play together, but you can't deny that Isiah is putting them in good position.
The Knicks will never be under the cap!!! EVER!! How do you think they got Crawford in the first place?? By trading expiring deals... all 4 players the Knicks sent to the Bulls have expiring deals. Next year, they will have 30 Million in expiring deals..... to trade for another tier 1 or 2 player. Is this always a great strategy?? Not when Scott Layden is your GM (McDyess, Shandon Anderson, etc, etc). But Isiah is smart and is using that cap relief to save $$$ for other teams..... Do you think the Nets want to pay Kidd $90 over five years when he's so unhappy??? (just an example... Knicks don't want Kidd) A team with this type of unhappy player with a large contract would love to send their contract to New York.
Nikamichi
Diamond Member
I know well how the cap works, and never once did I say that they would be 30 million UNDER the cap. I know there's a difference, and for a sensitive guy like you I shoud've reworded my original statement to reflect the fact that you have poor comprehension. How about this?
The Knicks will lose 30 million worth of contracts two summers from now, and the summer after.
That's not much of a difference from what I originally said, and if you still cannot understand, you have no sympathies from me.
Hughes is still an idiot, and if you're the type of person who believes any & every sportswriter, then you're obviosuly not an educated fan.
I do not have to pull every paragraph and break it down for you, but because you're so misguided, I'll do it just once.
Do I need to explain this? I HAD NO IDEA ISIAH SIGNED HIM. :roll: The fact is he didn't! I'm sure you're well aware of that. Check this out too, the Knicks do HAVE flexibility, they have a multitude of expiring contracts...and everyone is wondering how Isiah does it?
How did Isiah get Crawford? A player that even Kiki Vandeghwe wants on his Denver team. In two/three years, will the Knicks still have garbage players no one wants? Hell they're getting rid of most of them now.
NeoV, Please stop. If you're going to nitpick and twist words, you'll never sound as educated as you claim to be.
Nik, what the hell are you talking about? You are in New York, but that doesn't mean the Knicks are god's gift to the NBA, that I.Thomas is brilliant, or that somehow, in your blinded sense of how the cap works, that the Knicks have any flexibility.
The Knicks payroll is 20 Mill higher than the next closest team, 30M higher than the 2nd closest....and you said the following "when in fact they'll have 30 million in cap space next year AND another $30 mil the year after" - they will not have ANY cap space for at least the next two seasons - who cares if Thomas signed S.Anderson or not, the fact of the matter is that he is still under contract - I wasn't specifically being critical of Thomas - but he isn't looking to build a team for the long run, he's looking to win as soon as possible, salary cap be damned in the future. The Knicks just traded all of their expiring contracts to get Crawford - they have no flexibility left. The only way they can get Dampier now is for much less than other teams can offer him - why is that? BECAUSE THEY ARE SCREWED SALARY CAP WISE! If they do get him, more power to Thomas for getting a guy to take less than market value. If you really want to get all excited about Jamal Crawford, go ahead, but ask yourself where was the rest of the league with offers? I'm not aware of any other team even making him an offer. The Bulls thought so much of him they used their first pick on his replacement, Ben Gordon.
If the Knicks had all this cap flexibility, why couldn't they get Kobe, who openly said he would play in NY, or Shaq, who expressed similar feelings? What about R.Wallace, another guy who openly hinted that he wanted to play for NY?
I'm not twisting anything - you said "they will have 30 million in cap space" - that statement is just plain wrong - no twisting required. Even after this 30 Million is off the books - which isn't until AFTER the 05/06 season, they are still going to be 25-30 million over the cap - so that 30 M reduction is meaningless. They won't be in a good position until the 07/08 season. The next expiring contracts (Thomas and Hardaway) they have left are after the 05/06 season as well - and no will make trades with them for those expiring contracts until NEXT season.
Please take off the Knick-fanboy blinders, you are burying yourself in a very deep hole of inaccurate statements.
The Knicks payroll is 20 Mill higher than the next closest team, 30M higher than the 2nd closest....and you said the following "when in fact they'll have 30 million in cap space next year AND another $30 mil the year after" - they will not have ANY cap space for at least the next two seasons - who cares if Thomas signed S.Anderson or not, the fact of the matter is that he is still under contract - I wasn't specifically being critical of Thomas - but he isn't looking to build a team for the long run, he's looking to win as soon as possible, salary cap be damned in the future. The Knicks just traded all of their expiring contracts to get Crawford - they have no flexibility left. The only way they can get Dampier now is for much less than other teams can offer him - why is that? BECAUSE THEY ARE SCREWED SALARY CAP WISE! If they do get him, more power to Thomas for getting a guy to take less than market value. If you really want to get all excited about Jamal Crawford, go ahead, but ask yourself where was the rest of the league with offers? I'm not aware of any other team even making him an offer. The Bulls thought so much of him they used their first pick on his replacement, Ben Gordon.
If the Knicks had all this cap flexibility, why couldn't they get Kobe, who openly said he would play in NY, or Shaq, who expressed similar feelings? What about R.Wallace, another guy who openly hinted that he wanted to play for NY?
I'm not twisting anything - you said "they will have 30 million in cap space" - that statement is just plain wrong - no twisting required. Even after this 30 Million is off the books - which isn't until AFTER the 05/06 season, they are still going to be 25-30 million over the cap - so that 30 M reduction is meaningless. They won't be in a good position until the 07/08 season. The next expiring contracts (Thomas and Hardaway) they have left are after the 05/06 season as well - and no will make trades with them for those expiring contracts until NEXT season.
Please take off the Knick-fanboy blinders, you are burying yourself in a very deep hole of inaccurate statements.
Nikamichi
Diamond Member
NeoV, I'll quote myself below just in case you missed it.
And if you still don't see it, it's also stated in the post right above yours.
This means, that the Knicks do have flexibility, NOT to sign free agents...but to make roster moves for star players (THAT means trades), and or just cut costs overall. The Knicks may be in cap hell this year and the year after, but that doesn't mean they can't get quality players. Do you know why? Because NY is still THE BIGGEST market in the NBA today. Unlike other teams (ie Cleveland, Bucks), players are clammoring to be traded to NY (i.e. Vince Carter, Crawford, Dampier, Antoine Walker).
What was your point again?
Go ahead, I'll keep disproving you and you can continue to discuss amongst yourself insignificant issues.
If there's someone with a problem, it's you.
Out of pure kindness, I have provided a link which will clear this all up...just for you, imo.
Link
And if you still don't see it, it's also stated in the post right above yours.
This means, that the Knicks do have flexibility, NOT to sign free agents...but to make roster moves for star players (THAT means trades), and or just cut costs overall. The Knicks may be in cap hell this year and the year after, but that doesn't mean they can't get quality players. Do you know why? Because NY is still THE BIGGEST market in the NBA today. Unlike other teams (ie Cleveland, Bucks), players are clammoring to be traded to NY (i.e. Vince Carter, Crawford, Dampier, Antoine Walker).
What was your point again?
Go ahead, I'll keep disproving you and you can continue to discuss amongst yourself insignificant issues.
If there's someone with a problem, it's you.
Out of pure kindness, I have provided a link which will clear this all up...just for you, imo.
Link
It seems like the Knicks can't give Dampier the mid-level exception anymore 'cuz Vin Baker's agent claims that it has already been given to Baker. Why!?!? Dampier already stated that the Knicks are the only team he was willing to sign for under the mid-level. No way Dampier's going to take the veteran's exception when he gave up 8 mil.? this season. Don't know how Thomas is gonna get Dampier now if what Baker's agent says is true.
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Nik, what year are you living in to claim Houston as one of the best 2 guard? He's old, washed up, and injury prone. Can you honestly say he's worth the amount he is paid? He wasn't worth the money when he first received his contract so I don't see how he's worth the contract now. One of the best 2 guards ... so you're putting him up there with Kobe? :roll:
What exactly have you disproven? You said they will have 30 million in cap space next year, not me, and if I read correctly, I disproved that to you, not the other way around.
Nik, the only conclusion at this point is that you are either Spike Lee, or an idiot. The Knicks have NO CAP FLEXIBILITY - you are using the fact that players want to play in NY as proof of their flexibility? What are you smoking? NBA players go where the money is. Carter wants out of Toronto because the team isn't going anywhere, not because he is dying to play for the Knicks. Yes, NY is a big market, but you are talking more like this discussion is about the Yankees, not the Knicks - the rules of the salary cap apply, plain and simple. The only way the Knicks get any type of star player between now and the end of this season is to trade Marbury, or, miraculously, find a taker for A.Houston - but with his contract that is next to impossible - even though, to you, he's one of the best 2 guards in the NBA (welcome to 2004 by the way).
We get it. You live in the state of New York, and you are a Knick fan. Great. You got Jamal Crawford. Great, good thing you got him before all the other free agents were taken.....or something like that...Please don't try to tell us, though, that they aren't in the worst shape in the entire NBA when it comes to the salary cap.
Nik, the only conclusion at this point is that you are either Spike Lee, or an idiot. The Knicks have NO CAP FLEXIBILITY - you are using the fact that players want to play in NY as proof of their flexibility? What are you smoking? NBA players go where the money is. Carter wants out of Toronto because the team isn't going anywhere, not because he is dying to play for the Knicks. Yes, NY is a big market, but you are talking more like this discussion is about the Yankees, not the Knicks - the rules of the salary cap apply, plain and simple. The only way the Knicks get any type of star player between now and the end of this season is to trade Marbury, or, miraculously, find a taker for A.Houston - but with his contract that is next to impossible - even though, to you, he's one of the best 2 guards in the NBA (welcome to 2004 by the way).
We get it. You live in the state of New York, and you are a Knick fan. Great. You got Jamal Crawford. Great, good thing you got him before all the other free agents were taken.....or something like that...Please don't try to tell us, though, that they aren't in the worst shape in the entire NBA when it comes to the salary cap.
Nikamichi
Diamond Member
Hey NeoV, you may now raise your hands and say, "I won."
I just don't have the heart to argue against children with special needs. 🙁
NeoV, if only I could sit down with you and have you take a series of tests. It's so frustrating, y'know? I've dealt with so many kids over the years that were in need of "special education". But surely you take the cake. :/ I can't figure it out, who logs you onto the computer? Does your mom/dad help you type in your password to log onto AT? 😕
But ...
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And no, I GET IT. You live in a home for children with special needs. You're not just an idiot, you're something else I can't even say. 🙁
I just don't have the heart to argue against children with special needs. 🙁
NeoV, if only I could sit down with you and have you take a series of tests. It's so frustrating, y'know? I've dealt with so many kids over the years that were in need of "special education". But surely you take the cake. :/ I can't figure it out, who logs you onto the computer? Does your mom/dad help you type in your password to log onto AT? 😕
But ...
HEY THATS WHAT I SAID!!! ^^ OMG COULD I HAVE COOKIE NOW?
And no, I GET IT. You live in a home for children with special needs. You're not just an idiot, you're something else I can't even say. 🙁
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