Ok, maybe you can't kill him. but write up and distribute anti-Nazi propoganda. Tell everyone that there is a Nazi living in your neighborhood. Either way I think it's perfectly fine to hate him. It doesn't put you on his level, it just gives you a direction to channel anger and aggression. And we don't live in a tolerant country, nor is it very democratic. Our govt. runs around oppressing a large portion of the free world, and gives us "freedoms" to pacify us, while our lives everyday become a little more controlled" for our own good." And if he's just pretending to be a Nazi, that's even worse, so you should make it long, drawn out painful end.
wow these last few days the intolerence level of the board has certainly hit a new mark! so, chanse, according to you its alright to hate? then the nazis where in their "right" to kill all those jews. then the KKK can go on and lynch black people. Because after all it is alright to hate.
like i said, actions speak louder than words.
another saying:
dont argue with a idiot, cause he will sink you to his level and then beat you by experience (or something like that)
dont be an idiot
dam(i know im murdering quotes today left and right ohh well, cest le vide
)
like i said, actions speak louder than words.
another saying:
dont argue with a idiot, cause he will sink you to his level and then beat you by experience (or something like that)
dont be an idiot
dam(i know im murdering quotes today left and right ohh well, cest le vide
)Triumph - Easy... I was only stating what I wish. I never said you should contact the police because what they are doing is illegal. I know it turns into circular logic, but if only we could all agree that these bastards aren't human and don't deserve all the benefits this country gives them.
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P.S. Down with bigotry!
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P.S. Down with bigotry!
Triumph
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let's look at germany of the past, and germany today. Germany in the 1930's passed all kinds of anti-semitic laws, taking away their right to follow Judaism beliefs, in effect. Germany today has passed anti-Nazi laws, outlawing the political party, and essentially taking away people's right to believe in Nazi ideology. Aren't the parallels between these two situations abundantly clear? America seperates itself from the rest of the world because we understand that the loss of free thought is scarier than what those thoughts themselves may be. That's a kind of confusing sentence, I guess, but i'm having writers block.
Trinitron appears to be of the same shallow mind as the very people he loathes. Clearly, the distinction between someone's actions and someone's ideas, beliefs or phylosophy is lost on him.
The true test of a free country is not the ability to have people supporting a popular ideology freely state their opinion. Any society is capable of that. The true test of a free society is the ability to tolerate the views and ideas of those that support unpopular, or even dispised notions. A society that is truly free is strong enough to be tolerant of even those that the majority of society considers dispicable. In fact, it's strength lies in it's abilities to afford everyone the same freedom, regardless of the current sentiments that are subject to change.
Of course, should Mr. Nazi break the law, he should be prosecuted just like anyone else.
The true test of a free country is not the ability to have people supporting a popular ideology freely state their opinion. Any society is capable of that. The true test of a free society is the ability to tolerate the views and ideas of those that support unpopular, or even dispised notions. A society that is truly free is strong enough to be tolerant of even those that the majority of society considers dispicable. In fact, it's strength lies in it's abilities to afford everyone the same freedom, regardless of the current sentiments that are subject to change.
Of course, should Mr. Nazi break the law, he should be prosecuted just like anyone else.
Uh, no Triumph, they are not the same and that was sort of the point of my argument. The old Germany was a facist dictatorship that took away the rights and lives of entire groups of people. Germany today is far more democratic state which has decided to abolish the existence of the Nazi party. I can't believe you are comparing taking the lives of entire religions, ethnicities, and creeds to taking away the rights of a useless, ignorant, hateful, spiteful group. You definately had writer's block... please rethink your analogy.
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<< My grandfather always used to say "Don't stir the sh|t or it will stink." >>
your grandfather is one hell of a sage man.
for all of the people who thinks trinitron is at the nazi's level for hating them, think about this: the nazis hated people based on their nationality, skin color, etc which a person has no control of. they also killed 6+ million jews, not to mention various other groups. and anyone who is flies a nazi flag (in most cases) is supporting nazi idealogy and mentality. trinitron hates them for that. he hates them b/c of the way their narrow-minded CHOICE in lifestyle. nazis hated ppl for the way they ARE. there's a big difference between trinitron's and the nazi's hatred. and it's at the least personally insulting to compare the two hatreds.
and since we're on the subject of assholes living in our neighborhoods, I just moved here about 3 years ago, which is cincinatti, ohio. I just found out a year ago that we actually have an organized KKK clan here, although small group but disgusting nonetheless. they tried to rent a space at [something] Square to display their burning crosses. fortunately, the church intentionally bought all of the spaces to prevent them for displaying them. but a few weeks later, about a dozen KKK members went on a little march. all around them other ppl were protesting, but they just marched around w/ their chin up too high in their stupid little white costumes made from piss-stained bed sheets while cops had to safeguard those bastards from the speculating crowds. if they think they are so superior, they should at least not hide behind some damn masks, those cowardly jackasses. UGH.
EmperorNero: You still don't seem to grasp this concept. True freedom means EVERYONE has the same rights, the same freedom to express their beliefs and opinions, provided they don't break the law.
It doesn't mean "everyone is free to have their own beliefs, so long as those beliefs go along with what the rest of society believes". That would be a tyranny. Take a look at the former Soviet Union and China to see how that works. No matter how disgusting or rediculous someone's ideas, they have their right to have those ideas and to express them. It's not up to society to determine who's IDEAS are "OK" and who's are not. Society determines what ACTIONS are lawful and what actions are not.
It doesn't mean "everyone is free to have their own beliefs, so long as those beliefs go along with what the rest of society believes". That would be a tyranny. Take a look at the former Soviet Union and China to see how that works. No matter how disgusting or rediculous someone's ideas, they have their right to have those ideas and to express them. It's not up to society to determine who's IDEAS are "OK" and who's are not. Society determines what ACTIONS are lawful and what actions are not.
no, tagej, YOU don't seem to grasp what I'm saying without jumping to rediculous conclusions. where did I say that the KKK/nazis' beliefs should be banned from this country huh? I just said and inferred their beliefs are stupid and ignorant. and that's my opinion so don't accuse me of claiming it's a fact since you're so ready to pounce on people and twist their words out of proportion. and I also said that the reason for trinitron's and the nazi's hatred is different so don't say trinitron is "just as bad if he hates the nazis." no where did I say "the the nazi's and klan members should lose all their rights." you really touched a few nerves of mine b/c of your pathetic ranting and wild accusations.
Trinitron,
Freedom has a cost. That cost is having to tolerate someone believing and speaking things you find horrible. A nazi may have horrible beliefs and I may be out yelling at them when they demonstrate, but they have the right to believe and speak those beliefs and I will defend them in the right. They commit an act of violence or break the law and they go to jail, but they have a right to believe what they want. That is the cost of freedom...
Freedom has a cost. That cost is having to tolerate someone believing and speaking things you find horrible. A nazi may have horrible beliefs and I may be out yelling at them when they demonstrate, but they have the right to believe and speak those beliefs and I will defend them in the right. They commit an act of violence or break the law and they go to jail, but they have a right to believe what they want. That is the cost of freedom...
Trinitron,
One Question. If you change the Nazi flag to a rainbow one... and the person to a Gay instead of a Nazi... Do you still have the same right to hate them and want them dead? It's so funny to watch how much people want to change the rules based on what they prefer.
Many of the same people who want the Nazi dead would want the hater dead in the other way around. Freedom of speech.... ain't it a b1tch?!
One Question. If you change the Nazi flag to a rainbow one... and the person to a Gay instead of a Nazi... Do you still have the same right to hate them and want them dead? It's so funny to watch how much people want to change the rules based on what they prefer.
Many of the same people who want the Nazi dead would want the hater dead in the other way around. Freedom of speech.... ain't it a b1tch?!
<<you really touched a few nerves of mine b/c of your pathetic ranting and wild accusations. >>
Wow, pathetic ranting and wild accusations..... oh no, I touched his nerves.... oh no, what shall I do! Look bud, I didn't make any 'wild accusations'. In fact, I haven't made any accusations, wild or otherwise. I simply pointed out that hatred for people because of their ideology is the same - regardless of what the ideas are.
Dameon made a good point. Had this guy been gay and Trinitron said he hated him, there'd be all sorts of people saying how ignorant and intelorant he was. Yet change the guys ideals to something else, and bingo, now it's ok to hate and loathe him? Nope. Doesn't work that way.
Anyway, I didn't mean it as a personal attack. If it came accross that way, my bad.
Wow, pathetic ranting and wild accusations..... oh no, I touched his nerves.... oh no, what shall I do! Look bud, I didn't make any 'wild accusations'. In fact, I haven't made any accusations, wild or otherwise. I simply pointed out that hatred for people because of their ideology is the same - regardless of what the ideas are.
Dameon made a good point. Had this guy been gay and Trinitron said he hated him, there'd be all sorts of people saying how ignorant and intelorant he was. Yet change the guys ideals to something else, and bingo, now it's ok to hate and loathe him? Nope. Doesn't work that way.
Anyway, I didn't mean it as a personal attack. If it came accross that way, my bad.
Could we differentiate a couple of things here. The National Socialist Democrat party should not always be associated with the hatred of anyone. Why is it always the beliefs of the few outweigh the truth of others. What Hitler did when in control of the Nazi Party was wrong. No doubt. But what hitler did was not the official view or policy of the workers party before his arrival.
Americans that fly the flag are not members of the national socialist workers party, nor are they nazis. They are simply IGNORANT. These people, skinheads, rednecks, the clan, all have a right to believe what they want, no matter how ignorant or mislead. It still doesn't mean that they are a nazi, or that all of the nationalist democrat ideals were based on hatred.
WOuldn't youhate to be labeled forever for the actions of one man that were totally against what you seeked, or wanted, but were unable to change?
BTW, the guy flying the flag is just a chump. an ignorant chump that wants attention, and thinks he is something he truly isn't.
Americans that fly the flag are not members of the national socialist workers party, nor are they nazis. They are simply IGNORANT. These people, skinheads, rednecks, the clan, all have a right to believe what they want, no matter how ignorant or mislead. It still doesn't mean that they are a nazi, or that all of the nationalist democrat ideals were based on hatred.
WOuldn't youhate to be labeled forever for the actions of one man that were totally against what you seeked, or wanted, but were unable to change?
BTW, the guy flying the flag is just a chump. an ignorant chump that wants attention, and thinks he is something he truly isn't.
I have to say I sort of agree with Trinitron and EmperorNero.
Nero had a solid point. Nazis hated people because of what they were, something those people had no power over. Trinitron hates what he considers a terrible set of beliefs. His intolerance is based on a conscious choice. Maybe Trinitron shouldn't be so quick to hate and judge this 'Nazi', but to despise someone based on his nearly universally despised personal beliefs is not even in the same ballpark as Nazis' hate.
How would any of you white people feel if a black person moved into your neighborhood and displayed a banner in his window that said, "Kill all the crackers?" Or if you're black, what if a Klansman displayed a banner saying "N*ggers must die?" Trinitron has a right to not want this person in his neighborhood.
I'll admit he goes off the deep end when he declares that this Nazi is as guilty of the crimes or WWII as those that committed them, and when he declares that the constitution is not meant to protect some else's intolerant beliefs, but he is also entitled to his opinion. Everyone has been so quick to defend the Nazi's beliefs, and yet most of you are condemning Trinitron for his. How the hell is that any different?
Tolerance and acceptance not even close to the same thing. I know that I have to tolerate every else's believes no matter how absurd, but there is absolutely no reason I should have to accept them. What if I started posting topics like "I hate awesome people", "Jew bastards must die", or "Gooks go home"? How many of you would be quick to stand up and support me, since everyone has a right to his own belifs? I'd be labeled a racist, banned immediately, and all of you would be thanking the moderators for quick action. Where's the acceptance there?
Trinitron, hating someone based on his own personal choices is not wrong, but for your own sake you might want to relax a little. I agree that your neighbor's beliefs (if he is what you think he is) are deplorable, but is it really worth getting yourself that worked up over? So long as he doesn't act on any Nazi "ideals", he's not going to hurt anyone. Relax, or you'll give yourself high blood pressure.
Nero had a solid point. Nazis hated people because of what they were, something those people had no power over. Trinitron hates what he considers a terrible set of beliefs. His intolerance is based on a conscious choice. Maybe Trinitron shouldn't be so quick to hate and judge this 'Nazi', but to despise someone based on his nearly universally despised personal beliefs is not even in the same ballpark as Nazis' hate.
How would any of you white people feel if a black person moved into your neighborhood and displayed a banner in his window that said, "Kill all the crackers?" Or if you're black, what if a Klansman displayed a banner saying "N*ggers must die?" Trinitron has a right to not want this person in his neighborhood.
I'll admit he goes off the deep end when he declares that this Nazi is as guilty of the crimes or WWII as those that committed them, and when he declares that the constitution is not meant to protect some else's intolerant beliefs, but he is also entitled to his opinion. Everyone has been so quick to defend the Nazi's beliefs, and yet most of you are condemning Trinitron for his. How the hell is that any different?
Tolerance and acceptance not even close to the same thing. I know that I have to tolerate every else's believes no matter how absurd, but there is absolutely no reason I should have to accept them. What if I started posting topics like "I hate awesome people", "Jew bastards must die", or "Gooks go home"? How many of you would be quick to stand up and support me, since everyone has a right to his own belifs? I'd be labeled a racist, banned immediately, and all of you would be thanking the moderators for quick action. Where's the acceptance there?
Trinitron, hating someone based on his own personal choices is not wrong, but for your own sake you might want to relax a little. I agree that your neighbor's beliefs (if he is what you think he is) are deplorable, but is it really worth getting yourself that worked up over? So long as he doesn't act on any Nazi "ideals", he's not going to hurt anyone. Relax, or you'll give yourself high blood pressure.
Trinitron...
Since when did your neighbor kill 40 million Russians and 6 million Jews?
Viper GTS
Since when did your neighbor kill 40 million Russians and 6 million Jews?
Viper GTS
<< They are simply IGNORANT. These people, skinheads, rednecks, the clan, all have a right to believe what they want. >>
I don't think southerners would appreciate that statement very much
<< It still doesn't mean that they are a nazi, or that all of the nationalist democrat ideals were based on hatred. WOuldn't youhate to be labeled forever for the actions of one man that were totally against what you seeked, or wanted, but were unable to change? >>
I totally see where you're going with that - you're speaking from a neutral point of view, but you would also have to see the argument in the views of all sides. by that, I mean you would have to walk in the shoes of a nazi and anti-nazis. during ww2, most nazis believe in hitler's words and deemed it highly. they hated the jews (others too) and committed horrible deeds against them because they were DIFFERENT. and to society today, the words "hatred", "holocaust", "hitler" is synonomous with the word "nazi." that is what I mean by walking in the shoes of society as a whole. the guy with the nazi flag most likely grew up with that mentality shared by society (unless he's a hermit) and knows about those attrocities done to the jews. but he still chose to hang that nazi flag even though he knows society thinks hatred is directly related to nazis. he probably did that to get attention, to start a brawl, or just to amuse himself. all in all, he knew what others thought about the nazi flag but flew it anyway.
I don't state that from a neutral position, though. As a stout supporter of the nsd I have to live under that flag, that past, and those words because of one mans actions. Why? It's sad that we only take the time to associate the bad things, and not see the others. I can't change what Hitler did, nor can I change what Pol Pot, Stalin, or America did to the Native Americans.
Trinitron's only expressing a well founded fear of an element he is surprised to find living in his neighborhood.He is intitled to that fear,as that is the caling card of anti-social groups such as the neo-nazi skin heads.do you think he should just sit back and wait until some act of violence befalls him,his family,his neighbor? B.S.
This neo nazi appearently displays the nazi flag as a badge of honor and pride. That is sick! It is not in concert with any christian belief that these bafoons express themselves. They only have hate and disdain for those who do not share thier views.
My advice to Trinatron is to keep a watchful eye,notify your local sherrif of your concerns and heed his advice as to what posture you should take.You need not give in to thoughts of commiting any violence towards this individual unless you need to protect yourself or your family from any threats from the neo-nazi.If he goes about his business,you go about yours. He will be as worried about you as you are of him. He knows he is on the outside. You have the inside track.
This neo nazi appearently displays the nazi flag as a badge of honor and pride. That is sick! It is not in concert with any christian belief that these bafoons express themselves. They only have hate and disdain for those who do not share thier views.
My advice to Trinatron is to keep a watchful eye,notify your local sherrif of your concerns and heed his advice as to what posture you should take.You need not give in to thoughts of commiting any violence towards this individual unless you need to protect yourself or your family from any threats from the neo-nazi.If he goes about his business,you go about yours. He will be as worried about you as you are of him. He knows he is on the outside. You have the inside track.
<< As a stout supporter of the nsd I have to live under that flag, that past, and those words because of one mans actions. >>
it wasn't just ONE man. a few notable ones besides hitler are: himler, eichman, rohm, etc. not to mention any of the other nazis who helped hitler to achieve his final solution. they all make up the nazi party, most of them agreed with hitler and carried out his plans so they are just as bad. I'm appalled at how you are trying to euphamize their animosities into the "mistakes of one man."
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