Nazi stealth bomber technology

[Wheezer]

July 5 National Geographic sill air a show about this....should be interesting


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,529548,00.html

Using radar of the same type and frequency used by British coastal defenses in World War II, the engineers found that an Ho 229, flying a few dozen feet above the English Channel, would indeed have been "invisible" to the Royal Air Force ? an advantage that arrived too late for the Nazis to exploit.

 

[Double Trouble]

That's a very cool looking plane. I'm certainly glad they didn't get a chance to use it (to any effect) prior to the end of the war, it seems lightyears ahead of the planes of the time.

 

[Sea Moose]

wow <--- my jaw seriously hung open when i saw pic of plane

 

[Born2bwire]

Oh come on! Didn't any of you guys play Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe?

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Wheezer

Using radar of the same type and frequency used by British coastal defenses in World War II, the engineers found that an Ho 229, flying a few dozen feet above the English Channel, would indeed have been "invisible" to the Royal Air Force ? an advantage that arrived too late for the Nazis to exploit.

The engineers would have also found that ANY aircraft flying that low would have been invisible to the radar of that time. That's why jets/cruise missiles often fly very low in order to avoid detection until it's too late.

 

[Candymancan21]

Iv seen this before, the United States based alot of secret stuff on German tech from WW2. Notice how it looks just like the stealth bomber's and fighters we have today ?

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: Born2bwire
Oh come on! Didn't any of you guys play Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe?

I did!

 

[Born2bwire]

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: Born2bwire
Oh come on! Didn't any of you guys play Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe?

I did!

That's cause you're cool. :thumbsup:

 

[sao123]

cool plane.

 

[SonnyDaze]

Originally posted by: Born2bwire
Oh come on! Didn't any of you guys play Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe?

:thumbsup:

 

[Triumph]

National Geographic channel had a special on the Ho 229 on Sunday, I'm sure they will show it again. A team at Northrop Grumman rebuild the air frame nearly exactly, except that it couldn't fly, and put it on their radar range. IIRC, the radar signature was something like 20% less than a regular plane of the time, but the plane was also capable of 600 mph speeds. Coupling those two together, they estimated that the warning time for a plane approaching England would have been reduced from something like 19 minutes down to about 8.

The most amazing thing to me though, is that the thing actually flew. They made multiple test flights, and had at least 2 examples built (the other one not recovered crashed during a test flight, killing the pilot). Jet engines and the looks of a B2 Bomber, versus P51's and Spitfires - if I was an American pilot of the time I would've shat my pants if I saw one of these coming towards me. I'd figure aliens were on the side of the Germans.

 

[0roo0roo]

err flying low is a way to avoid radar in general isn't it?

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: SonnyDaze

Originally posted by: Born2bwire
Oh come on! Didn't any of you guys play Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe?

:thumbsup:

http://www.amazon.com/My-Tank-...-Parsons/dp/0806527587
all sorts of crazy

 

[StageLeft]

Like Triumph I would have pooped myself. Germany had a lot of cool planes, first real jet fighters, also solid state jet engines on planes for defense, making them crazy fast until the engine burned out and they had to glide in (at that point an easy target).

 

[Candymancan21]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
err flying low is a way to avoid radar in general isn't it?

I always thought the faster you went, the higher you could fly. You know like those SR71 blackbirds

 

[ultimatebob]

Originally posted by: Candymancan21

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
err flying low is a way to avoid radar in general isn't it?

I always thought the faster you went, the higher you could fly. You know like those SR71 blackbirds

You didn't want to fly high when you were doing bombing runs... those old WWII era bombs weren't all that accurate to begin with.

 

[Gibsons]

jeez.

"Nazi Stealth Jet Could Have Won War for Hitler"

No, it could not have.

"an Ho 229, flying a few dozen feet above the English Channel, would indeed have been "invisible" to the Royal Air Force"

Like most any plane of its day.

You'll occasionally see someone thinking that a Mosquito was a stealthy airplane b/c it was made of wood, but it wasn't stealthy either.

And for all the talk about all this incredible Nazi super advanced airplane technology, it's worth noting just how incredibly hard they found it to shoot a wooden airplane down. They dedicated entire squadrons to doing nothing but that, with specially modified, stripped down, souped-up airplanes, and still it was a rarity to get a kill.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: ultimatebob

Originally posted by: Candymancan21

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
err flying low is a way to avoid radar in general isn't it?

I always thought the faster you went, the higher you could fly. You know like those SR71 blackbirds

You didn't want to fly high when you were doing bombing runs... those old WWII era bombs weren't all that accurate to begin with.

well u go super fast and super high..but thats um at past the speed of sound big time...thin air is good at that level of speed.

as for bombing runs..not quite. theres still the issue of navigation and getting shot at from the ground..and not having much maneuverability when down low. u have less energy to spend on evasive maneuvers as well, start climbing and u lose speed and ur f***ed. flying low is great if you have a guide ...but in the fog of war..ur more likely to just get lost.


plus, these things are unstable ..its their nature. skimming the ground gives u no room for fixing any weird behavior. us didn't adopt this tech after the war because it was flawed. from what i remember it killed test pilots at regular altitudes. at super low altitude you are going to die fast from any problems at all..the attrition rate trying to skim across the channel and the rest would probably make it pointless pretty fast alone.

 

[rudder]

Very cool plane but I don't think it would have changed the course of the war. There was absolutely no way to mass produce jet engines. Due to the metals at the time... most engines were only good for about 25 hours of running time. They would be constantly swapping out engines.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: ultimatebob

Originally posted by: Candymancan21

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
err flying low is a way to avoid radar in general isn't it?

I always thought the faster you went, the higher you could fly. You know like those SR71 blackbirds

You didn't want to fly high when you were doing bombing runs... those old WWII era bombs weren't all that accurate to begin with.

If you had hundreds of bombers with Norden sights, you could do a decent job at it..

 

[SunnyD]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: ultimatebob

Originally posted by: Candymancan21

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
err flying low is a way to avoid radar in general isn't it?

I always thought the faster you went, the higher you could fly. You know like those SR71 blackbirds

You didn't want to fly high when you were doing bombing runs... those old WWII era bombs weren't all that accurate to begin with.

well u go super fast and super high..but thats um at past the speed of sound big time...thin air is good at that level of speed.

as for bombing runs..not quite. theres still the issue of navigation and getting shot at from the ground..and not having much maneuverability when down low. u have less energy to spend on evasive maneuvers as well, start climbing and u lose speed and ur f***ed. flying low is great if you have a guide ...but in the fog of war..ur more likely to just get lost.


plus, these things are unstable ..its their nature. skimming the ground gives u no room for fixing any weird behavior. us didn't adopt this tech after the war because it was flawed. from what i remember it killed test pilots at regular altitudes. at super low altitude you are going to die fast from any problems at all..the attrition rate trying to skim across the channel and the rest would probably make it pointless pretty fast alone.

I was thinking the same thing - a dozen feet above the channel, and one big wave is going to take you out. Given that these have no rudder or stability, with the surface winds at that altitude you'd be lucky to survive flying a mile especially at 600mph!

 

[compman25]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Like Triumph I would have pooped myself. Germany had a lot of cool planes, first real jet fighters, also solid state jet engines on planes for defense, making them crazy fast until the engine burned out and they had to glide in (at that point an easy target).

solid state or solid fuel?

 

[Gibsons]

Originally posted by: compman25

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Like Triumph I would have pooped myself. Germany had a lot of cool planes, first real jet fighters, also solid state jet engines on planes for defense, making them crazy fast until the engine burned out and they had to glide in (at that point an easy target).

solid state or solid fuel?

I think he's talking about the Me 163, but that was powered by a liquid fuel rocket. So I dunno.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: SunnyD

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: ultimatebob

Originally posted by: Candymancan21

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
err flying low is a way to avoid radar in general isn't it?

I always thought the faster you went, the higher you could fly. You know like those SR71 blackbirds

You didn't want to fly high when you were doing bombing runs... those old WWII era bombs weren't all that accurate to begin with.

well u go super fast and super high..but thats um at past the speed of sound big time...thin air is good at that level of speed.

as for bombing runs..not quite. theres still the issue of navigation and getting shot at from the ground..and not having much maneuverability when down low. u have less energy to spend on evasive maneuvers as well, start climbing and u lose speed and ur f***ed. flying low is great if you have a guide ...but in the fog of war..ur more likely to just get lost.


plus, these things are unstable ..its their nature. skimming the ground gives u no room for fixing any weird behavior. us didn't adopt this tech after the war because it was flawed. from what i remember it killed test pilots at regular altitudes. at super low altitude you are going to die fast from any problems at all..the attrition rate trying to skim across the channel and the rest would probably make it pointless pretty fast alone.

I was thinking the same thing - a dozen feet above the channel, and one big wave is going to take you out. Given that these have no rudder or stability, with the surface winds at that altitude you'd be lucky to survive flying a mile especially at 600mph!

yea people make too much of nazi super weapons. the v2 was a prime example of why such things did nothing for the germans, for every 2 workers they lost to production, they killed one brit total damage inflicted was no more than a single allied bombing run at great expense. v2 resources alone could have built 24,000 fighters. basically if they had covered the basics they could have prevented or recovered from much of the bombing raids/damage and inflicted massive losses on the allies through conventional weapons.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Triumph
National Geographic channel had a special on the Ho 229 on Sunday, I'm sure they will show it again. A team at Northrop Grumman rebuild the air frame nearly exactly, except that it couldn't fly, and put it on their radar range. IIRC, the radar signature was something like 20% less than a regular plane of the time, but the plane was also capable of 600 mph speeds. Coupling those two together, they estimated that the warning time for a plane approaching England would have been reduced from something like 19 minutes down to about 8.

The most amazing thing to me though, is that the thing actually flew. They made multiple test flights, and had at least 2 examples built (the other one not recovered crashed during a test flight, killing the pilot). Jet engines and the looks of a B2 Bomber, versus P51's and Spitfires - if I was an American pilot of the time I would've shat my pants if I saw one of these coming towards me. I'd figure aliens were on the side of the Germans.

LOL! No shit! Pretty amazing...