Natural Cancer Treatments

Kreon

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I searched for cancer treatments on Google

I looked for the ones hat could work with low hemoglobin (which is why my grandpa is having problems with his cancer treatment)

Anyways, I found a whole list of natural cures and stuff...
Most work by boosting the immune system?
Does it work like that?
Is that what radiation and chemo do?

Do they work, or are they just a waste of money
If there is a possibility of working, which is the best?

I also googled many of the results, and got other sites on them as well
Some appear to be readily available

Please help me
 

Scarpozzi

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I think it really depends on which kind of cancer you have. Obviously, if you smoke you're more likely to get lung or mouth cancer. Herbal supplements probably don't stand a chance.

Chemo basically kills good and bad cells alike. (your hair falls out because it is more delicate than other cells)

Radiation is usually only used when the cancer is in one general area. If it ever spreads, you probably have nothing to lose by going the "herbal immune booster" route.
 

FoBoT

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i wouldn't rely on something like that vs. "Science" , you know, medical science that treats cancer with "normal" scientifically tested treatments
 

NanoStuff

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It's not that simple, I wouldn't call these things cures. Not exactly a waste of time either, more natural substances than could be named have been shown to have some effect in clinical trials, however without having knowledge of necessary dosage or knowing whether they could even pass the digestive system unscathed would make the process of finding something effecting a hit or miss.

Good place to start would be http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/

Avoiding this avenue entirely, a better place to start might be http://clinicaltrials.gov/. However entering clinical trials should probably be done through a doctor rather than requesting directly.

And no, radiation/chemo do not boost the immune system, usually the opposite.
 

Kreon

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Originally posted by: FoBoT
i wouldn't rely on something like that vs. "Science" , you know, medical science that treats cancer with "normal" scientifically tested treatments

well....

the normal "science" stuff has failed...
Chemo has done jack

Now we (my family) are looking for other stuff


So would it have a chance of working?
I'm especially eyeing the Essaic Tea, the Aloe MPS, and Ellagic Acid Formula w/ Graviola

 

Chronoshock

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Every patient's physiology is unique, so who knows, it might help. Just be sure to discuss it with a doctor beforehand, to make sure there are no negative drug interactions or other harmful effects. I wouldn't raise my hopes too much, but do what you can to help your grandfather. Best of luck
 

Kreon

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Originally posted by: Chronoshock
Every patient's physiology is unique, so who knows, it might help. Just be sure to discuss it with a doctor beforehand, to make sure there are no negative drug interactions or other harmful effects. I wouldn't raise my hopes too much, but do what you can to help your grandfather. Best of luck

should I get one of these?

edit: hmmm, maybe a different test kit that has at least some science I understand behind it?
can anyone make sense of this?
 

Mark R

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'Boosting the immune system' is a common claim amongst 'natural cures', but it's very vague and there's no believable evidence that it's true. There are genuine immune system boosting drugs, but they are awkward, e.g. injection only, very expensive, and have lots of side effects (i.e. side effects of immune system operation: fevers, chills, aches/pains, bone pain as immune cells are pumped out of the bone marrow, etc.). While the immune system is important in preventing cancer, the problem is that for a tumor to become established it has to evade the immune system (either because the immune system is profoundly weakened, or because the tumor has mutated into a form that is 'invisible' to your immune system - everyone's immune system is slightly different which is why organ transplants are so difficult). If the tumor is invisible to the immune system, it doesn't matter how boosted it is, it's not going to do a good job of attacking it. [This incidentally, is why bone marrow transplants are used for some types of cancer - by transplanting someone else's immune system, it's possible that the new immune system will be able to attack the tumor when the original immune system couldn't, even though the new immune system must be weakened almost to a state of nothingness].

The problem is that none of the products being peddled at that link have any evidence for benefit. If there was evidence of benefit, they would certainly be in widespread use. MDs are very fast to accept new treatments if there is a demonstrable benefit. Indeed, many of the latest big drugs, are often only a few percent better than their predecessors - but if the benefit is there, the docs will use it (as part of a clinical trial, if official approval from the FDA hasn't been obtained, if need be). There is a saying that 'there is no such thing as alternative medicine because if it worked, it wouldn't be alternative, it would be mainstream'.

By all means, you can use whatever supplements you like. You're unlikely to lose much apart from your money, that said, you're unlikely to gain anything either. Most of the stuff linked at that site looks reasonably safe, but just because something is 'natural' is not a guarantee of safety. There are plenty of 'natural cures' around with potentially fatal side effects (e.g. Kombucha tea, etc.)

I would strongly recommend the site at www.cancer.org as one of the most accurate and easy to read sites around.
 

kinev

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No, unfortunately, natural cancer treatments don't work. There's been some bad info in here, so here's the short, short version.

We are made of cells that are constantly working, dying, dividing, etc. Sometimes that process goes bad because of a natural or induced mutation, or change in the cells DNA. It happens all the time in even healthy people. The body has mechanisms in place to repair a lot of the mutations that occur, but sometimes a mutation gets by. Contrary to what the X-Men and Heroes says, mutations are 99.99...% harmful to us as humans.

So, you get a mutation in a dividing cell that tells the cell to kick up the cell division eleventy-billion times what's normal and not to kill itself off. Now, you have a group of your own cells that are mutated and rapidly dividing. You have cancer. Give the cancer enough time and it can metastasize (spread out from where it started). Problem is, how do you kill off the cancer cells without killing you? Well, you basically cluster bomb any rapidly dividing cells in the body. That's what chemotherapy does. That's why cancer patients lose all their hair (follicles are rapidly dividing) and why they also are really, really nauseous (the epithelial lining of your digestive tract are also rapidly dividing).

So, you just nuke anything that's rapidly dividing with very bad side effects. Is it perfect? No, but not much of a choice. Combine that with radiotherapy and surgery, that's your best bet.

Alternative therapies are just snake oil. There might be a psychosomatic reason for things like that to work with other diseases, but not cancer. These therapies will not work. Period. If you want to give your family a sense of false hope, then so be it. But when it comes to cancer, there is no magic bullet.

It sickens me how people can prey on cancer patients and their families by promising the impossible. But, if your grandfather is sick enough to need chemo/radiotherapy, then "alternative treatments" would be a waste of money, time, and a cruel joke.
 

sandorski

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I'm no Doctor and really can't offer info on Treatments and what not, but making sure he is eating a Healthy balanced diet wouldn't hurt.
 

SketchMaster

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Not sure if you would call it natural, but scientists have found a way to treat some cancers using epigenetics. But it's still under testing.
 

crisscross

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My father has Multiple Myeleoma- Cancer of the Bone and I am giving him Curcumin (extract of turmeric) it is undergoing clinical trials at MD Anderson Cancer Institute it's fairly cheap and is supposed to help with your haemoglobin count.. so give it a shot.
 
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Originally posted by: crisscross
My father has Multiple Myeleoma- Cancer of the Bone and I am giving him Curcumin (extract of turmeric) it is undergoing clinical trials at MD Anderson Cancer Institute it's fairly cheap and is supposed to help with your haemoglobin count.. so give it a shot.

What he said

If he's not getting anywhere with conventional treatments, go clinical trial. How old is he?

If he's your grandfather, he's probably not a chipper young man, but elderly. Just visit him often and do what you can to make him happy and comfortable.

My uncle was in MD Anderson in Houston every week or so for several years. A lot of different clinical treatments. Some really weird stuff. Like some drugs where instructions were to not open the refrigerator or go outside when the temp was below a certain degree.

He died after a few years of trials. At least he was able to help them make headway in research (he had colon cancer that kept coming back after conventional treatment (surgery, chemo)).
 

irishScott

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Couldn't Hurt. I know drinking 8+ 8oz cups of fresh tea (made with actual leaves not bags) (any color including red) can actually make the immune system destroy cancer cells. Obviously it's not a cure, and the destruction is on so small a scale that it's mainly useful for prevention (like most antioxidants), but hey, could help.

Note(s) aka "Tea in a Nutshell":

Tea Bags vs Full Leaf: Almost any tea bag you can buy (even the "gourmet" brands) contains what is known as "tea dust". This is literally the tea fragments scraped up from the bottom of the barrel/container. It increases the surface area and speeds infusion time (which is why they are more widespread). However, full leaf tea has been shown to have up to 3x the health benefits.

Red Tea (aka Rooibos tea): Red Tea is not technically tea. Black, White, and Green teas are from a plant that grows in Asia (generally China and India). Red Tea is made from a South African shrub. It was originally coined "tea" because the drying/fermentation process is identical to that of black tea. In any case, it's been shown to be the ONLY known source of a few powerful antioxidants.

Brewing the stuff: There are a number of products out there including but not limited to a traditional tea pot. Personally, I use this:
http://www.amazon.com/Adagio-T...&qid=1191992130&sr=8-1
http://www.adagio.com/teaware/...2a9c46e521a88d2b5c0840

Only disadvantage is that you need to empty it into a container once the infusion time is up, but I've found that the 16 oz version fits nicely in my 1.1 cubic foot microwave, and fit snugly in an older .7 cubic footer I used at college. You can infuse Red tea as long as you like, but the other teas contain tannic acid, and if infused for too long this will make the tea bitter.

Sources/Prices: I generally just buy from http://www.republicoftea.com . Black and Red full leaf tea can be had in bulk for around $30/pound, and green full leaf for ~$35-60/pound. (White full leaf is considered gourmet and is generally ~$100/pound) That's how I buy it. Adagio is also a reputable brand (see video linke above) but I haven't bought anyt of their products aside from the Ingenuitea yet (and that I got through Amazon...)

A pound of tea is a fricken brick of tea. Even at 8 cups a day, 1 pound is the better part of a year's supply. You can keep it in the bag that it comes in (assuming you seal it) but I found it easier to buy some rubbermaid containers. Also, don't expose it to heat above room temp (ie leaving it in the sun) as this will destroy a good portion of the potential health benefits.

Bottled Teas: All commercially bottled teas suffer from overexposure to heat, processing and the introduction of sweeteners and coloring. They're health benefits are greatly diminished, and it's a hell of a lot more expensive. That said, they are convenient if you're short on time, but so's bottled water.

Finally, 6-8 8 oz cups of tea sounds like a lot, but it's not that bad. Using any 16 oz tea maker, just means making tea 3-4 times a day. I generally make 16 oz in the morning to shove in my thermos for work, and make it throughout the day after I get home (total time: microwaving + infusion = 6 min, cooling time depends on the container/storage temp)

Probably more then you wanted to read, but I'm a tea enthusiast in the same way that most of the people here are computer enthusiasts. I get pissed when people think that generic super-market tea bags and commercially bottled teas are the real deal. :p Aside from the health benefits, it just tastes insanely better made fresh, and can obviously be sweetened if you don't like it straight.
 

potoba

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Originally posted by: FoBoT
i wouldn't rely on something like that vs. "Science" , you know, medical science that treats cancer with "normal" scientifically tested treatments

you'll be surprised!!!
 

compuwiz1

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I'm absolutely convinced that my Cousin lost her husband thru trying to cure it by natural remedies, ignoring the Doctors. :(
 

PokerGuy

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Bottom line, some of the "alternative" methods might indeed be useful, but 99.9999% of them have no scientific backing for their claims and only serve to separate you from your money. They pray on those who are desperate to find a cure when current science doesn't have the answers.
 

gsellis

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Originally posted by: PokerGuy
Bottom line, some of the "alternative" methods might indeed be useful, but 99.9999% of them have no scientific backing for their claims and only serve to separate you from your money. They pray on those who are desperate to find a cure when current science doesn't have the answers.

+1 and +1 on what Compuwiz1 said.

My mother-in-law went with the Barley Green BS. She was able to take the 6 mths to live down to 4 weeks. All because she had not critical thinking skills and listened to idiots pushing their holistic cures.
 

Xavier434

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OP, I don't mean to rain on the parade here but if Chemo didn't work then the natural "cures" made for cancer are not going to do anything either. The whole idea behind 99% of all that natural stuff for any sickness is that it boosts your immune system or provides you with extra vitamins and minerals. That's it. Any doctor or nutritionist will tell you that while supplements help, it is always better to provide your body with this stuff by eating the right kinds of foods.


In short, the person who you are thinking about getting these for will be better off if they just have a healthier diet. If they already have a healthy diet then there isn't much more you can do in this regard. Look elsewhere for ways to help.
 

Gibsons

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The thing about all these alternative treatments is eventually you're going to read about one of them "working" for someone. But it's just anecdotal data, which is pretty much useless. Problem being that some small rate of seemingly incurable cancers will spontaneously regress. So if a thousand people try the "cure," you're only going to hear about the one that lived, not the 999 that died. That's why medical trials are done. If done properly they'll sort out data like this and find out if there really is any benefit to a particular treatment.