NATO Rift Widens over IRAQ

[justint]

from Washington Post

Administration officials are now talking about threats to the relevance of NATO??? If this continues what international organizations will be relevant??

 

[tweakmm]

Originally posted by: justint
If this continues what international organizations will be relevant??

If we continue to tell the world to fvck off, it's not going to matter

 

[justint]

Originally posted by: tweakmm

Originally posted by: justint
If this continues what international organizations will be relevant??

If we continue to tell the world to fvck off, it's not going to matter

So us against the world, and screw everyone else??

 

[tweakmm]

Originally posted by: justint

Originally posted by: tweakmm

Originally posted by: justint
If this continues what international organizations will be relevant??

If we continue to tell the world to fvck off, it's not going to matter

So us against the world, and screw everyone else??

I'm not the one who calls the shots

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I think we will see the Europeans and perhaps the Russians forming an alliance and perhaps a common military. The existance of the EU, with a common currency and constitution could make this happen. Be interesting to see what the balance of power is in 20 years or so.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: justint

Originally posted by: tweakmm

Originally posted by: justint
If this continues what international organizations will be relevant??

If we continue to tell the world to fvck off, it's not going to matter

So us against the world, and screw everyone else??

Well it appears the UN is actively working against the security of the US. So screw them.

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider
I think we will see the Europeans and perhaps the Russians forming an alliance and perhaps a common military. The existance of the EU, with a common currency and constitution could make this happen. Be interesting to see what the balance of power is in 20 years or so.

Same as it is right now. Nothing the French do can ever be successful.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider
I think we will see the Europeans and perhaps the Russians forming an alliance and perhaps a common military. The existance of the EU, with a common currency and constitution could make this happen. Be interesting to see what the balance of power is in 20 years or so.

That is possible, But the EU will have to stop some social spending to build an effective military and I just dont see that happening.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider I think we will see the Europeans and perhaps the Russians forming an alliance and perhaps a common military. The existance of the EU, with a common currency and constitution could make this happen. Be interesting to see what the balance of power is in 20 years or so.

Same as it is right now. Nothing the French do can ever be successful.

<sets alarm for 20 years>

I'll get back to ya on that. 😛

 

[Zebo]

:::YAWN::: We fought them several times before and kicked thier ass, nothing new.

 

[justint]

Originally posted by: Carbonyl
:::YAWN::: We fought them several times before and kicked thier ass, nothing new.

After the Russians and British had worn them down and continued to sustain the bulk of the casualties. Don't discredit other nations contributions to the 2 World Wars, and be gratefull for how luck we were to have gotten off as easy as we did.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: justint

Originally posted by: Carbonyl
:::YAWN::: We fought them several times before and kicked thier ass, nothing new.

After the Russians and British had worn them down and continued to sustain the bulk of the casualties. Don't discredit other nations contributions to the 2 World Wars, and be gratefull for how luck we were to have gotten off as easy as we did.

And we supplied the russians and brits with food, raw materials, weapons, designs, and everything else they asked for. Dont underestimate what the US put into WWII.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: justint

Originally posted by: Carbonyl
:::YAWN::: We fought them several times before and kicked thier ass, nothing new.

After the Russians and British had worn them down and continued to sustain the bulk of the casualties. Don't discredit other nations contributions to the 2 World Wars, and be gratefull for how luck we were to have gotten off as easy as we did.

It was a joke...well sorta.

IMO, Basically these countries are saying it's OK for these rouge leaders to exist with thier 1) unwillingness to go in 91' , not BUSH 1 fault 2) resolution after resolution and stall tactics. They may be reapeating history and so will we, at a great cost🙁

 

[Insane3D]

Well it appears the UN is actively working against the security of the US. So screw them.

How are they "actively working against our security" pray tell?

 

[43st]

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Well it appears the UN is actively working against the security of the US. So screw them.

How are they "actively working against our security" pray tell?

That's right... The UN is one of them now! They're terrorists! and what's worse!!! They're anti-American terrorists!

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Insane3D

Well it appears the UN is actively working against the security of the US. So screw them.

How are they "actively working against our security" pray tell?

Did you listen to Powells speech at the UN last week?

Do you think more inspections are going to get Saddam to give up his WMDS?

Do you think inspections are going to run the Al Queda cells out of Baghdad?

The inspectors in Iraq are nothing more tourists.

 

[justint]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: justint

Originally posted by: Carbonyl
:::YAWN::: We fought them several times before and kicked thier ass, nothing new.

After the Russians and British had worn them down and continued to sustain the bulk of the casualties. Don't discredit other nations contributions to the 2 World Wars, and be gratefull for how luck we were to have gotten off as easy as we did.

And we supplied the russians and brits with food, raw materials, weapons, designs, and everything else they asked for. Dont underestimate what the US put into WWII.

Oh believe me I am not. The mobilization of resources and production capacity was key to winning the war and was our single largest contribution to the war, but too many Americans think that we the brave Americans rode in on our horses and saved the day with no help from those cowardly inept Europeans or godless Russians. Just remember who did most of the dying and fighting in that war. It was the Russians who broke the Germans at Stalingrad and the British who held out against all odds during the Battle of Britian not to mention the Chinese who fought and died by the millions against the Japanese. Heroism and resolve are not the sole province of Americans and we should remember that before dismissing the rest of the human race.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I really do believe that other countries will re-evaluate their outlook on the military. When there was a common enemy in the form of the Soviet Union, our interests were the same. Now that appears to be changing. Europe is going one way, we another. To be sure, we have some support from lesser nations there, but eventually, Europe will become unified. Japan may not be content to allow themselves to be at the mercy of NK. Be a big investment for them, but perhaps the ability to respond when and as they see fit will outweigh that.

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: justint

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: justint

Originally posted by: Carbonyl
:::YAWN::: We fought them several times before and kicked thier ass, nothing new.

After the Russians and British had worn them down and continued to sustain the bulk of the casualties. Don't discredit other nations contributions to the 2 World Wars, and be gratefull for how luck we were to have gotten off as easy as we did.

And we supplied the russians and brits with food, raw materials, weapons, designs, and everything else they asked for. Dont underestimate what the US put into WWII.

Oh believe me I am not. The mobilization of resources and production capacity was key to winning the war and was our single largest contribution to the war, but too many Americans think that we the brave Americans rode in on our horses and saved the day with no help from those cowardly inept Europeans or godless Russians. Just remember who did most of the dying and fighting in that war.

WWII was won at Stalingrad. Period. End of story.

 

[justint]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: justint

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: justint

Originally posted by: Carbonyl
:::YAWN::: We fought them several times before and kicked thier ass, nothing new.

After the Russians and British had worn them down and continued to sustain the bulk of the casualties. Don't discredit other nations contributions to the 2 World Wars, and be gratefull for how luck we were to have gotten off as easy as we did.

And we supplied the russians and brits with food, raw materials, weapons, designs, and everything else they asked for. Dont underestimate what the US put into WWII.

Oh believe me I am not. The mobilization of resources and production capacity was key to winning the war and was our single largest contribution to the war, but too many Americans think that we the brave Americans rode in on our horses and saved the day with no help from those cowardly inept Europeans or godless Russians. Just remember who did most of the dying and fighting in that war.

WWII was won at Stalingrad. Period. End of story.

Stalingrad and Pearl Harbor

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: justint

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: justint

Originally posted by: Carbonyl
:::YAWN::: We fought them several times before and kicked thier ass, nothing new.

After the Russians and British had worn them down and continued to sustain the bulk of the casualties. Don't discredit other nations contributions to the 2 World Wars, and be gratefull for how luck we were to have gotten off as easy as we did.

And we supplied the russians and brits with food, raw materials, weapons, designs, and everything else they asked for. Dont underestimate what the US put into WWII.

Oh believe me I am not. The mobilization of resources and production capacity was key to winning the war and was our single largest contribution to the war, but too many Americans think that we the brave Americans rode in on our horses and saved the day with no help from those cowardly inept Europeans or godless Russians. Just remember who did most of the dying and fighting in that war.

WWII was won at Stalingrad. Period. End of story.

Funny, I remember it lasting a bit longer than that.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider
I really do believe that other countries will re-evaluate their outlook on the military. When there was a common enemy in the form of the Soviet Union, our interests were the same. Now that appears to be changing. Europe is going one way, we another. To be sure, we have some support from lesser nations there, but eventually, Europe will become unified. Japan may not be content to allow themselves to be at the mercy of NK. Be a big investment for them, but perhaps the ability to respond when and as they see fit will outweigh that.

That is quite possible. But at the same time I can a few European countries aligning them more along with the US than the EU.

 

[justint]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: justint

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: justint

Originally posted by: Carbonyl
:::YAWN::: We fought them several times before and kicked thier ass, nothing new.

After the Russians and British had worn them down and continued to sustain the bulk of the casualties. Don't discredit other nations contributions to the 2 World Wars, and be gratefull for how luck we were to have gotten off as easy as we did.

And we supplied the russians and brits with food, raw materials, weapons, designs, and everything else they asked for. Dont underestimate what the US put into WWII.

Oh believe me I am not. The mobilization of resources and production capacity was key to winning the war and was our single largest contribution to the war, but too many Americans think that we the brave Americans rode in on our horses and saved the day with no help from those cowardly inept Europeans or godless Russians. Just remember who did most of the dying and fighting in that war.

WWII was won at Stalingrad. Period. End of story.

Funny, I remember it lasting a bit longer than that.

It was at Stalingrad that Hitlers Blitzkrieg failed. At that point all was lost for the Germans one way or the other. It kept on going, but it was only a matter of time before the Axis fell.

 

[glenn1]

Stalingrad and Pearl Harbor

Did you mean to say Stalingrad and the Battle of Midway?

 

[hagbard]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: justint

Originally posted by: tweakmm

Originally posted by: justint
If this continues what international organizations will be relevant??

If we continue to tell the world to fvck off, it's not going to matter

So us against the world, and screw everyone else??

Well it appears the UN is actively working against the security of the US. So screw them.

Haha....sure. Screw the world. USA right, the rest of the world is wrong. 😉