native speakers of languages other than english: i have questions for y'all

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jacob0401

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Originally posted by: gunblade
Well, I think I am much better than most here.

I can read both traditional and simplified, and write a hundred words essay in simplified chinese, with some help from dictionary.

Still I think reading skill is easier to preserve than writing since remembering is tougher but recognizing the character is actually easier.

Yeah reading is a lot easier...
 

alphatarget1

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Originally posted by: gunblade
Well, I think I am much better than most here.

I can read both traditional and simplified, and write a hundred words essay in simplified chinese, with some help from dictionary.

Still I think reading skill is easier to preserve than writing since remembering is tougher but recognizing the character is actually easier.

funny i even forgot how to use a chinese dictionary...
 

Looney

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Originally posted by: alphatarget1
Originally posted by: gunblade
Well, I think I am much better than most here.

I can read both traditional and simplified, and write a hundred words essay in simplified chinese, with some help from dictionary.

Still I think reading skill is easier to preserve than writing since remembering is tougher but recognizing the character is actually easier.

funny i even forgot how to use a chinese dictionary...

Yeah, how the heck does one use a chinese dictionary?
 

alphatarget1

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Originally posted by: UncleWai
Traditional chinese is PITA to write
example

the word "fvck" in chinese never existed. I don't even know when it actually came about. I don't think it was ever included in the written language when i was learning it.

well, i can write that with no problem! but umm i'm wondering if this holds true for other native speakers of other languages. I mean, for instance if you speak Russian fluently can you still write it fluently? My German and English writing/reading/speaking skills are pretty much parallel.
 

gunblade

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Well, using the dictionary isn't that tough, just need 'Pingyin' and since you can pronounce it, you should know that. From there, then you can get the character you want from a list.

Well, I am planning to hit on some gals but don't know how to pick-up.....
sad to be me ...........
 

alphatarget1

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Originally posted by: Moralpanic
Originally posted by: alphatarget1
Originally posted by: gunblade
Well, I think I am much better than most here.

I can read both traditional and simplified, and write a hundred words essay in simplified chinese, with some help from dictionary.

Still I think reading skill is easier to preserve than writing since remembering is tougher but recognizing the character is actually easier.

funny i even forgot how to use a chinese dictionary...

Yeah, how the heck does one use a chinese dictionary?

you count how many times you write a line (uh... can anyone give a better description than that) and then look that word up in the back or you use the part of the word and try to find it *I THINK*. with that said, i still haven't used one in all these years, mainly because i don't really need to learn what words meant.
 

Looney

Lifer
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Originally posted by: alphatarget1
Originally posted by: Moralpanic
Originally posted by: alphatarget1
Originally posted by: gunblade
Well, I think I am much better than most here.

I can read both traditional and simplified, and write a hundred words essay in simplified chinese, with some help from dictionary.

Still I think reading skill is easier to preserve than writing since remembering is tougher but recognizing the character is actually easier.

funny i even forgot how to use a chinese dictionary...

Yeah, how the heck does one use a chinese dictionary?

you count how many times you write a line (uh... can anyone give a better description than that) and then look that word up in the back or you use the part of the word and try to find it *I THINK*. with that said, i still haven't used one in all these years, mainly because i don't really need to learn what words meant.

But how can you count the lines if you don't know the proper way to write the word?
 

PeeluckyDuckee

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Came over to Canada from Vietnam when I was 6yr old. Pop forced us to read chinese books and write chinese everyday when I was small. Quite doing that since I reached high school. I did watch a lot of chinese movies and shows. Aside from computers, singing chinese karaoke is my other hobby. I do it cause I enjoy the music and can learn chinese characters at the same time. Can speak pretty fluent, but writing is a whole 'nother story. I can recognize and read some of it when I see it, but geez don't ask me to write it out for you.

Know how to pronounce less than 50 characters in mandarin.

Many of our generation chinese people hardly know any chinese, and come our next generation (our kids) they'll be pretty much 100% westernized.

 

gunblade

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Originally posted by: Moralpanic
Originally posted by: alphatarget1
Originally posted by: Moralpanic
Originally posted by: alphatarget1
Originally posted by: gunblade
Well, I think I am much better than most here.

I can read both traditional and simplified, and write a hundred words essay in simplified chinese, with some help from dictionary.

Still I think reading skill is easier to preserve than writing since remembering is tougher but recognizing the character is actually easier.

funny i even forgot how to use a chinese dictionary...

Yeah, how the heck does one use a chinese dictionary?

you count how many times you write a line (uh... can anyone give a better description than that) and then look that word up in the back or you use the part of the word and try to find it *I THINK*. with that said, i still haven't used one in all these years, mainly because i don't really need to learn what words meant.

But how can you count the lines if you don't know the proper way to write the word?


That is why I proposed using 'pingyin' or pronounciation to check the word.
 

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seems recall is harder then decoding. i can understand chinese easily. speaking is beyond a chore.
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: PeeluckyDuckee
Came over to Canada from Vietnam when I was 6yr old. Pop forced us to read chinese books and write chinese everyday when I was small. Quite doing that since I reached high school. I did watch a lot of chinese movies and shows. Aside from computers, singing chinese karaoke is my other hobby. I do it cause I enjoy the music and can learn chinese characters at the same time. Can speak pretty fluent, but writing is a whole 'nother story. I can recognize and read some of it when I see it, but geez don't ask me to write it out for you.

Know how to pronounce less than 50 characters in mandarin.

Many of our generation chinese people hardly know any chinese, and come our next generation (our kids) they'll be pretty much 100% westernized.

That's the way the world works! How many 2nd-3rd generation Italians or Germans still know how to speak and write their native language? Not many.

Still, i wished i knew Chinese better. I would literally spend money (and have) to learn it, but i'm just not very good at learning languages.
 

alphatarget1

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Originally posted by: Moralpanic
Originally posted by: alphatarget1
Originally posted by: Moralpanic
Originally posted by: alphatarget1
Originally posted by: gunblade
Well, I think I am much better than most here.

I can read both traditional and simplified, and write a hundred words essay in simplified chinese, with some help from dictionary.

Still I think reading skill is easier to preserve than writing since remembering is tougher but recognizing the character is actually easier.

funny i even forgot how to use a chinese dictionary...

Yeah, how the heck does one use a chinese dictionary?

you count how many times you write a line (uh... can anyone give a better description than that) and then look that word up in the back or you use the part of the word and try to find it *I THINK*. with that said, i still haven't used one in all these years, mainly because i don't really need to learn what words meant.

But how can you count the lines if you don't know the proper way to write the word?

i think you use it when you're like reading a newspaper or something and then you encounter a word you don't know (never happened to me) and then you look up the meaning of it.

when the worst comes around, an english-chinese or german-chinese will come in handy HEHE
 

zCypher

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I've been "bilingual" (english/french) from day 1 since my mom is english (english/irish) and my dad is french, but English has been the language of choice since forever. So despite being 'around' the french language (and living in montreal), I can barely speak/write french although I can usually get the message accross and I can understand/read almost perfectly. Kinda weird so I get what you're saying
 

Looney

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Originally posted by: zCypher
I've been "bilingual" (english/french) from day 1 since my mom is english (english/irish) and my dad is french, but English has been the language of choice since forever. So despite being 'around' the french language (and living in montreal), I can barely speak/write french although I can usually get the message accross and I can understand/read almost perfectly. Kinda weird so I get what you're saying

Yeah, but french and english are very closely related... i mean, i don't get all the gender types and how they're used with nouns and such, but even with my very limited education of french (thanks to Canadian education system), i can make out some sentences and such.
 

Imdmn04

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whenever i need to write something in chinese, which is very rare, i just type it up on the computer. of course u should at least recognize which same-sounding characters to use in which situations, but it saves me alotta trouble because you dont have to remember the exact consturction of the character and still be able to write it just by recognizing it from the word list on screen when u type in the pin ying.

Besides, if you need to write something in chinese, it is more formal and sincere to type it up anyways and sign it in chinese, unless of course, you cant even write your own name. Then i suggest u spend 5 mins to check out the dictionary and another 10 mins to practice it.
 

dighn

Lifer
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came here when i was 12. i speak and read chinese perfectly well but i have forgotten how to write most of the characters, though i think with a little practice it should all come back
 

Sid59

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gah, i had a nazi chinese teacher for 1 year in college. she was great though. Hard as hell but my manadrin was great., Too bad i stopped using my chinese and writing. I was able to write sentences and read. Professor would walk through Chinatown, pick up a paper and bring it to class and took turns reading it in front of class. Now i completely suck. I can hold simple conversations, but that's it.
 

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Lifer
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LOL i cheated in Chinese school. What we basically had for test for write out what we had to study in class. This was simple to cheat, because all i did was get the proper grid paper, and write it all ahead of time... then left it in my desk. Exam time came, and i would just swap the paper. LOL damn i was a dumb kid.
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: FrustratedUser
Daumn, lots of Chinese people here!

Yes!! But still, 40% of people voted that white people feel they are the most discriminated race!
 

Imdmn04

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Originally posted by: gunblade
Originally posted by: Moralpanic
Originally posted by: alphatarget1
Originally posted by: Moralpanic
Originally posted by: alphatarget1
Originally posted by: gunblade
Well, I think I am much better than most here.

I can read both traditional and simplified, and write a hundred words essay in simplified chinese, with some help from dictionary.

Still I think reading skill is easier to preserve than writing since remembering is tougher but recognizing the character is actually easier.

funny i even forgot how to use a chinese dictionary...

Yeah, how the heck does one use a chinese dictionary?

you count how many times you write a line (uh... can anyone give a better description than that) and then look that word up in the back or you use the part of the word and try to find it *I THINK*. with that said, i still haven't used one in all these years, mainly because i don't really need to learn what words meant.

But how can you count the lines if you don't know the proper way to write the word?


That is why I proposed using 'pingyin' or pronounciation to check the word.

but you woudnt know the pronouciation if you are checking a new charcter that u have never seen in your life.
this is when u check under the common radicals, and count the number of strokes, and find the word
 

LS20

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lets see..moved here when i was 8... almost never ever wrote again... now i think i can write at about a 6th grade level... its vietnamese.. so its phonetic but all the accent marks can really throw me off.. i can speak semi-fluently ...ill stumble at some words but other than that its gravy
 

alphatarget1

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Originally posted by: Moralpanic
LOL i cheated in Chinese school. What we basically had for test for write out what we had to study in class. This was simple to cheat, because all i did was get the proper grid paper, and write it all ahead of time... then left it in my desk. Exam time came, and i would just swap the paper. LOL damn i was a dumb kid.

i never went to a chinese school here in the US, i figured it would be dumb anyway.

when i was in hong kong we used to read all these poems and literature crap which i kinda gave up on, i failed chinese in some tests miserably but my english test grades were the highest in the class. haha, this english teacher told me i was better than some 9th grader or something when i was only in 7th grade.

speaking of foreigners trying to learn english though, my friend Frank from Germany sent me this sample english test from Abitur (some pretty major test there). It was an actual test from last year and guess what, they wrote in German-English (grammatically correct but they just directly translated from German to English) !!! I noticed some errors in the HKCEE english sample tests my friend sent to me also.