Nationwide Protest against bush's illegal occupation!

[Steeplerot]

who were you before the ban Sphexi?

 

[Sphexi]

LOL

I am who I am, no need to hide at all. And if you think that me saying that Bush could take you in a 1-on-1 is a threat, than you need to re-read that statement. A threat requires that I'd actually be able to do something, and somehow I think that I'd have a lot of trouble convincing the President to throw up fisticuffs with you

Although it is a slightly amusing idea, it does kind of distract from the main point of this thread, for that I do apologize.

 

[ColdZero]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
It is not our buisness what they do we have ruined that country enough with saddam and now blasting it to bits to remove our mistake. It's their job to work on their own, let me guess you are one of those racists that think arabs are too stupid to do what every other country can do and big daddy imperialist US has to hold their hand becasue we are so superior. ..right. keep dreaming you are either lying to yourself or to us if you deny this is about something else...something darker and more oily.



Now kindly piss off you are sounding like a broken record and just encouraging flamebait until you can come up with a original idea that I cannot find on some pentagon propaganda site.

So...what you are saying is that it is the responsibility of the people of Iraq to clean up our mess.

So you're saying its ok to abandon a country in which we are responsible for the destruction? I'm not a racist at all, you can try to throw in more taboo words to make what I'm saying sound any less valid, but it won't work. Who ever said anything about racism or Arabs anyways? I, apparently unlike you, do not judge people by the groups they associate with. Are there dumb Arabs, yea, just like there are dumb Americans, Italians, French and English. There are also some very smart Arabs who could manage Iraq very well. The USA is superior to Iraq in many ways. We have superior technology, argiculture, infrastructure systems. We are NOT superior as people or as a culture. We caused the devistation in Iraq, we have a responsibility to share our technology and resources with them until they can produce enough to manage it themselves.

Iraq as it stands today cannot support itself without some kind of outside help. Being the ones who caused the requirement of this need, we should be the ones who fix it. When Iraq can grow enough food to feed its citizens and take care of basic needs on its own, you are right, they should be left to their own decisions. But until then, if they want our help, we should give it.

OF COURSE IRAQ IS GOING TO EXPORT OIL. Who the hell in their position wouldn't. Its their greatest natural resource and the one thing that can make them the money to rebuild their nation. Why the hell wouldn't they start exporting oil as soon as possible?

As for propaganda....I guess those two links in every one of your signatures don't count as that, right?

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=propaganda is a definition if you happen to have forgotten.

As for going someplace else....why? Can you not tollerate my views? Or my freedoms to express myself on this board? By asking you to think, am I really making your life that hard that you can't put up with me and that you want me to go someplace else. There is a word for people who can't stand those with a different view, culture and ideas....its called a racist. Thanks for playing.

 

[Steeplerot]

The very basis of your arguement is racist with blatent US uber alles written all over it.
you are not going to form a legitimate democracy through imperialism this up to the iraqis to find their own destiny.
you people are such hypocrites swearing that you care for the people there when just last year you wanted to just nuke em.
peopel are not stupid this is the latest distraction from the lie of going there in the first place.

 

[ColdZero]

You can't form a legitame democracy if they're all dead from starvation.

They can't even make enough water in Iraq yet. WATER, they're on a frickin ocean.

http://www.space.com/news/ap_050321_water_purify.html

There you go using fear tactics, saying Nuke and stuff to get everybody scared. Nobody ONCE mentioned nukes, why? Because intelligent people, and this even includes Mr. North Korea, will never use nukes as a weapon of war again. The devestation that would be wrought would not only eliminate their enemy, but themselves as well. Thats why we don't go around nuking people, but keep using that as a way to scare people into listening. Wow, you're really using those coporate news tactics you don't like pretty well.

Nobody wanted to nuke anything, at the time we were presented with the evidence and this was the right thing to do. It turns out that it might not have been, that doesn't absolve us of responsibility of what we have done.

I'm walking down the street and I see this other guy who I think has a gun. Instead, I decide to shoot him first. Opps, turns out he actually didn't have a gun. So I guess I could take that to court and tell the judge, "Listen, I could have SWORN he had a gun, so it was in self defense, my mistake, sorry." And expect the judge to not hold me responsible for my actions.

And calling everybody hypocrites, there you go making sweeping generalizations again. You know whats another group of people who makes sweeping generizations about other people based on their own biases? Racists.

 

[Steeplerot]

still repeating the same lines in here?
you sound like a tv broadcast, save it.
Try turning the tv down and bobbing your head with the anchors your going to get farther with that then repeating their lies in here to me.

 

[ColdZero]

I don't even own a TV. Nice try tho. Keep making those generalizations.

 

[Steeplerot]

well you sure preach the same garbage no informed person could come up with without the propanda macine feeding them their apologist-pro-war crap.
You can make an ass out of yourself in this thread all you want I Am not feeding the troll anymore since you are just repeating yourself.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: ColdZero
You can't form a legitame democracy if they're all dead from starvation.

They can't even make enough water in Iraq yet. WATER, they're on a frickin ocean.

I don't understand your logic here. Iraq had the best infrastructure in the M.E. prior to the Gulf War. If anything the lack of water is our fault.

As for leaving them in a mess we created... We've pretty much been f!cking over Iraq since we started interacting with them in the middle of the 20th century, whats new about doing again?

 

[Steeplerot]

No point in arguing with them, they are convinced Iraq is better off as our corporate pawn.

 

[ColdZero]

Thats exaclty what I'm saying. It is our fault. If you read that article you can see that we also have the technology to help restore it. If we simply picked up and left, it would be utter chaos on that country and many many more would die because of basic needs that would not be met.

What I'm saying is that we need to pull out of Iraq....eventually. It cannot be a lightswitch case that the original poster wants. It has to be over a long time, probably a very long time.

 

[newParadigm]

holy fvck, march 129th is my birthday...i'l be way too busy eating cake and sh!t to march!!!

jkjk, if there was one in upstate NY i might consider it.



~new

 

[Philippine Mango]

Steeplerot, your just trying to increase your post count, stop while your ahead you neffer. FYI all "invasions" or occupations are illegal unless otherwise noted, why else would it be called an OCCUPATION OR INVASION DUMBASS. Yur war is illegale so you ned to um ur laeave now! Saddam is a bad person no matter what the hell you say, if saddam had the same amount of power as hitler, he would be considered much much worse then him. Whether or not bush lied, he needed to leave iraq because of what he has done.
Your probably extremely liberal which makes you extremely naive which means you probably believe everything a hippy liberal douche would say. While I think bush is a total moron and I think his christian views piss me off, I still think getting saddam out of iraq was a good thing.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Your probably extremely liberal which makes you extremely naive which means you probably believe everything a hippy liberal douche would say. While I think bush is a total moron and I think his christian views piss me off, I still think getting saddam out of iraq was a good thing.

First, I'm a liberal, I'm proud of it, and I'm hardly naive.

Now, are you saying the ends justify the means?

• Do you think lying to the American people to justify this war is OK?
• Do you think it's OK that over 1,500 U.S. troops have died in actual combat, more who are not included in that count have died while doing their duty, there, and many more have been been permanenly maimed and disabled?
• Do you think it's OK that tens of thousands more innocent Iraqui's have died?
• Do you think it's OK that Bush's fiasco has mortgaged your greatgrandchildrens' future?
• Do you think it's OK that, by lying, Bush suverted the very roots of our democacy?

If so, you are the one who is naive. If you don't think Bush lied and willingly ignored the best information he had, you're beyond naive and well into stupidity. :|

 

[dawheat]

It's hard to believe that anyone feels that rapidly pulling out US forces from Iraq at this point serves the Iraqi people.

Regardless of whether going to war was right or not (it wasn't), we are in the position we are and nothing can change that. So at this point with the country struggling to rebuild, a newly elected government struggling for credibility while drafting a constitution, and groups at direct odds with each other, pulling out US forces would be catastrophic.

Its highly likely that several areas would quickly fall back into the control of "insurgents" and the Iraqi government would be ill-equpied to do anything. Believing that the different sides will somehow find their own way to a consensus without significant bloodshed is naive.

We put the Iraqi people into this predicament- and for better or worse, its our responsibility to ensure that they have a stable government able to enforce fair and self-determined law along with sufficent infrastructure.

I think the right debate to have here in the US is exactly how US forces can and should be used as well as push for as rapid a pull-out, but only at the right time and in the right condition.

The good news is the US casulties are slowing considerably:

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u...0050324/us_nm/iraq_usa_casualties_dc_3

Also, the UN is completely incapable of playing an effective role- one only needs to look to Sudan and the last decades to see their complete ineffectiveness.

 

[Philippine Mango]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Your probably extremely liberal which makes you extremely naive which means you probably believe everything a hippy liberal douche would say. While I think bush is a total moron and I think his christian views piss me off, I still think getting saddam out of iraq was a good thing.

First, I'm a liberal, I'm proud of it, and I'm hardly naive.

Now, are you saying the ends justify the means?

• Do you think lying to the American people to justify this war is OK?
• Do you think it's OK that over 1,500 U.S. troops have died in actual combat, more who are not included in that count have died while doing their duty, there, and many more have been been permanenly maimed and disabled?
• Do you think it's OK that tens of thousands more innocent Iraqui's have died?
• Do you think it's OK that Bush's fiasco has mortgaged your greatgrandchildrens' future?
• Do you think it's OK that, by lying, Bush suverted the very roots of our democacy?

If so, you are the one who is naive. If you don't think Bush lied and willingly ignored the best information he had, you're beyond naive and well into stupidity. :|

Our measly 1,500 is NOTHING compared to how many iraqis saddam killed and tortured. Saddam was in power since the mid-late 70's till 2 years ago, he has destroyed hope in families, he has killed children, mother's and wives in front of families. He has tortured citizens and later beheaded them, to then leave their bodies and or head's on the family's door step. He has brought fear through out the country that wasn't liberated until recently. It's almost impossible to comprehend how terrifying and how painful it would be to be a mother, to be a father; to worry about your children, your family, your everything. A lot of these people are pissed off because back when bush's daddy was in charge he didn't finish the job. Because of the gulf war, there were revolts with the thought that the US would help but we didn't and instead let these people be slaughtered when saddam got back into control.

You are truely ignorant for thinking our deaths are that big of a deal compared to the deaths that have occured in iraq. All of these atrocoties happening and not one person doing a thing about it, it took 20 years for anything to get done and it's about fvcking time. Bush did not lie for the most part, I still think there are WMDs in iraq no matter what our gov't is forced to say or what anyone says. The WDMs are in iraq, it's just that were not looking in the right places... No I don't think it's OK that were in severe debt but bush knew that if he didn't do something while in power, not one single soul would have done a damn thing about it.

Next time think about all of the people that have died at the hand of saddam and then try to b!tch about how our men have died and suffered. There are so many people killed by saddam that I don't even know the real numbers of how many he has killed but to put things into perspective, think of it as this: At a minimum, for every soldier that has died in iraq, at a minimum 666.66^ iraqis have died. Yes I will repeat this: 1 USA Solider killed in Iraq=666.66^Iraqis killed by saddam through out his 20 years.

 

[live2game]

You don't have a TV and you hate Bush thats why you commjnistic anti american greenie. GO GEORGE W. BUSH One of the Greatest Presidents to LIVE

 

[Sunbird]

Well, the US shouldn't be in Iraq in the first place. So if I became US president, I would have him (George W Bush) charged with some war tipe crimes and hopefully he would be convicted.

I would then enter into negotiations with the Iraqi insurgents (those that are willing to negotiate) and try to work out a peace plan with them, that is beneficial to them, and most other Iraqis, not to the my country, the US, in this case.

I would also try to get the permission of the people I have negotiated with to either bring in all the troops I can to destroy the groups that aren't willing to talk, but not those that have talked and still aren't happy (hopefully I would at least have been able to get them to stop blowing stuff up) or have them help the US to destroy said groups. I would also build up the Iraqi police and justice system, as well as do whatever is possible to improve Iraqi national pride and have them gain their independace with no strings attached.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Our measly 1,500 is NOTHING compared to how many iraqis saddam killed and tortured.

Our 1,500+ dead in direct combat, plus thousands of other Americans who died in Iraq, but are not counted because they happened to be killed while on duty, but not in direct combat, plus tens of thousands of Americans who have been wounded, disfigured, maimed and otherwise damaged, is far more than "NOTHING." Nobody is saying Saddam was anyone's nice guy, and the question isn't whether Iraq, the U.S. or the world is better off without him. The question is the means Bush used to drag the U.S. into a shooting war that cost the lives you trivialize as "NOTHING."

You are truely ignorant for thinking our deaths are that big of a deal compared to the deaths that have occured in iraq.

And you are an insensitve cretin for dismissing our dead and wounded as not "that big of a deal" compared to the fact that their lives were squandered for Bush's LIES.

On December 7, 1941, the Japanes attacked the U.S. at Pearl Harbor. There wasn't any question about going to war, regardless of the sacrifices required. We didn't have a choice about it. The battle came to us.

That was NOT the case in Iraq. Bushwhacko's war was an elective act. At the time, Saddam was in a box and under very close international scrutiny, and no action on our part was not required. I hope the entire administration is tried by an international court for war crimes.

Bush did not lie for the most part, I still think there are WMDs in iraq no matter what our gov't is forced to say or what anyone says. The WDMs are in iraq, it's just that were not looking in the right places...

You're pretty much flying solo on that. Are you smoking something strange, or are you sharing a brain with Terri Schiavo?

According to the CIA's final report, there were no WMD's in Iraq.

I'll say it again. There were no WMD's in Iraq.

There were no aluminum tubes capable of being used in centrifuges process nuclear material.

Bush is a lying piece of sh8. His lies have cost thousands of American lives and tens of thousands of other lives and trillions of dollars (terra-bucks) that could and should have been used for the needs of American citizens and to fund our real defense needs. And he has the balls to cry and lie about funding Social Security. :roll:

Another of his lies has more sinister overtones. When ambassador Joseph Wilson exposed his findings that there was no yellow cake uranium in Niger, the Bush administration was so pissed that they outed his wife, Valerie Plame as a top undercover CIA agent.

Anyone who did that should be shot for treason. :|

Next time think about all of the people that have died at the hand of saddam...

That's all well and good, but you're still arguing that the ends justify the means. THEY DON'T! You can't fight evil by becoming the evil you say you want to defeat. :|

... and then try to b!tch about how our men have died and suffered.

You forgot to note that their sacrifices were in pursuit of illegal, immoral actions of their commander in chief. Next time you're so brave and cavalier about their lives, I'd volunteer YOU to go first. :|

 

[drewshin]

good going steeplerot. take care and watch out for those "morans"!

 

[Philippine Mango]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Our measly 1,500 is NOTHING compared to how many iraqis saddam killed and tortured.

Our 1,500+ dead in direct combat, plus thousands of other Americans who died in Iraq, but are not counted because they happened to be killed while on duty, but not in direct combat, plus tens of thousands of Americans who have been wounded, disfigured, maimed and otherwise damaged, is far more than "NOTHING." Nobody is saying Saddam was anyone's nice guy, and the question isn't whether Iraq, the U.S. or the world is better off without him. The question is the means Bush used to drag the U.S. into a shooting war that cost the lives you trivialize as "NOTHING."

I didn't say it was "nothing", I said it was NOTHING in comparison to how many iraqis have died..

You are truely ignorant for thinking our deaths are that big of a deal compared to the deaths that have occured in iraq.

And you are an insensitve cretin for dismissing our dead and wounded as not "that big of a deal" compared to the fact that their lives were squandered for Bush's LIES. [/quote]
Like I said, I didn't "dismiss" our dead but the thing is WERE only looking at OUR dead. NOT THERES! There have been far greater dead iraqis then americans.

On December 7, 1941, the Japanes attacked the U.S. at Pearl Harbor. There wasn't any question about going to war, regardless of the sacrifices required. We didn't have a choice about it. The battle came to us.

That was NOT the case in Iraq. Bushwhacko's war was an elective act. At the time, Saddam was in a box and under very close international scrutiny, and no action on our part was not required. I hope the entire administration is tried by an international court for war crimes.

Bush did not lie for the most part, I still think there are WMDs in iraq no matter what our gov't is forced to say or what anyone says. The WDMs are in iraq, it's just that were not looking in the right places...

You're pretty much flying solo on that. Are you smoking something strange, or are you sharing a brain with Terri Schiavo?
According to the CIA's final report, there were no WMD's in Iraq.

I'll say it again. There were no WMD's in Iraq.

There were no aluminum tubes capable of being used in centrifuges process nuclear material.

Doesn't matter whether or not they are there or not now because either way he still had them before we invaded. When we invaded/warned to invade, he either buried them or sent them off.

Bush is a lying piece of sh8. His lies have cost thousands of American lives and tens of thousands of other lives and trillions of dollars (terra-bucks) that could and should have been used for the needs of American citizens and to fund our real defense needs. And he has the balls to cry and lie about funding Social Security. :roll:

Another of his lies has more sinister overtones. When ambassador Joseph Wilson exposed his findings that there was no yellow cake uranium in Niger, the Bush administration was so pissed that they outed his wife, Valerie Plame as a top undercover CIA agent.

Anyone who did that should be shot for treason. :|

Next time think about all of the people that have died at the hand of saddam...

That's all well and good, but you're still arguing that the ends justify the means. THEY DON'T! You can't fight evil by becoming the evil you say you want to defeat. :|

... and then try to b!tch about how our men have died and suffered.

You forgot to note that their sacrifices were in pursuit of illegal, immoral actions of their commander in chief. Next time you're so brave and cavalier about their lives, I'd volunteer YOU to go first. :|

IMMORAL IMMORAL!? What the fvcking hell are you talking about? Are you so stupid to say that the men and women who died during the uprising in '91 were IMMORAL!? Are you saying that all the people who "didn't obey" saddam were IMMORAL!? What kind of fvcking person are you!?! No SH!t they're not going to obey him and for a damn good reason. Saddam is beyond evil, he is as bad as hitler but on a smaller scale. You clearly have no idea what this man has done which is why your spewing this garbage. When I'm talking about all the iraqis that have died, I'm not talking about the insurgence, I'm talking about all those "good people" who had intentions on getting rid of this mad man.

Yes I know it sucks that our men have died in this war but it was OUR fault for bring him to power in the 70's and it's OUR job to get this lunitic out of power. It's our fault for a lot of these things and well, because of this, lives of these iraqis and our men have to pay the price. It's quite unfair that our gov't has screwed up but were trying to clean the mess we made 20-30 years ago that we forgot to clean up.

 

[AznAnarchy99]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
No point in arguing with them, they are convinced Iraq is better off as our corporate pawn.

and your convinced Bush is the devil incarnerated, whats the diff?

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: AznAnarchy99

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
No point in arguing with them, they are convinced Iraq is better off as our corporate pawn.

and your convinced Bush is the devil incarnerated, whats the diff?

He's pretty damn close.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Philippine Mango

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Our measly 1,500 is NOTHING compared to how many iraqis saddam killed and tortured.

Our 1,500+ dead in direct combat, plus thousands of other Americans who died in Iraq, but are not counted because they happened to be killed while on duty, but not in direct combat, plus tens of thousands of Americans who have been wounded, disfigured, maimed and otherwise damaged, is far more than "NOTHING." Nobody is saying Saddam was anyone's nice guy, and the question isn't whether Iraq, the U.S. or the world is better off without him. The question is the means Bush used to drag the U.S. into a shooting war that cost the lives you trivialize as "NOTHING."

I didn't say it was "nothing", I said it was NOTHING in comparison to how many iraqis have died..

You are truely ignorant for thinking our deaths are that big of a deal compared to the deaths that have occured in iraq.

And you are an insensitve cretin for dismissing our dead and wounded as not "that big of a deal" compared to the fact that their lives were squandered for Bush's LIES.

Like I said, I didn't "dismiss" our dead but the thing is WERE only looking at OUR dead. NOT THERES! There have been far greater dead iraqis then americans.

On December 7, 1941, the Japanes attacked the U.S. at Pearl Harbor. There wasn't any question about going to war, regardless of the sacrifices required. We didn't have a choice about it. The battle came to us.

That was NOT the case in Iraq. Bushwhacko's war was an elective act. At the time, Saddam was in a box and under very close international scrutiny, and no action on our part was not required. I hope the entire administration is tried by an international court for war crimes.

Bush did not lie for the most part, I still think there are WMDs in iraq no matter what our gov't is forced to say or what anyone says. The WDMs are in iraq, it's just that were not looking in the right places...

You're pretty much flying solo on that. Are you smoking something strange, or are you sharing a brain with Terri Schiavo?
According to the CIA's final report, there were no WMD's in Iraq.

I'll say it again. There were no WMD's in Iraq.

There were no aluminum tubes capable of being used in centrifuges process nuclear material.

Doesn't matter whether or not they are there or not now because either way he still had them before we invaded. When we invaded/warned to invade, he either buried them or sent them off.

Bush is a lying piece of sh8. His lies have cost thousands of American lives and tens of thousands of other lives and trillions of dollars (terra-bucks) that could and should have been used for the needs of American citizens and to fund our real defense needs. And he has the balls to cry and lie about funding Social Security. :roll:

Another of his lies has more sinister overtones. When ambassador Joseph Wilson exposed his findings that there was no yellow cake uranium in Niger, the Bush administration was so pissed that they outed his wife, Valerie Plame as a top undercover CIA agent.

Anyone who did that should be shot for treason. :|

Next time think about all of the people that have died at the hand of saddam...

That's all well and good, but you're still arguing that the ends justify the means. THEY DON'T! You can't fight evil by becoming the evil you say you want to defeat. :|

... and then try to b!tch about how our men have died and suffered.

You forgot to note that their sacrifices were in pursuit of illegal, immoral actions of their commander in chief. Next time you're so brave and cavalier about their lives, I'd volunteer YOU to go first. :|

IMMORAL IMMORAL!? What the fvcking hell are you talking about? Are you so stupid to say that the men and women who died during the uprising in '91 were IMMORAL!? Are you saying that all the people who "didn't obey" saddam were IMMORAL!? What kind of fvcking person are you!?! No SH!t they're not going to obey him and for a damn good reason. Saddam is beyond evil, he is as bad as hitler but on a smaller scale. You clearly have no idea what this man has done which is why your spewing this garbage. When I'm talking about all the iraqis that have died, I'm not talking about the insurgence, I'm talking about all those "good people" who had intentions on getting rid of this mad man.

Yes I know it sucks that our men have died in this war but it was OUR fault for bring him to power in the 70's and it's OUR job to get this lunitic out of power. It's our fault for a lot of these things and well, because of this, lives of these iraqis and our men have to pay the price. It's quite unfair that our gov't has screwed up but were trying to clean the mess we made 20-30 years ago that we forgot to clean up.
[/quote]

Wow, you are fvcking dense...

You forgot to note that their sacrifices were in pursuit of illegal, immoral actions of their commander in chief. Next time you're so brave and cavalier about their lives, I'd volunteer YOU to go first.

1)Read
2)Comprehend
3)Post

You're lacking in the first 2....

He's talking about our flip-flopper-in-cheif or George Bush, obiviously you can't understand that.

Yea, it is bad that we put Saddam in power. Maybe America should stay the hell out of out everyone elses buissness? Guess what, America ditched the Kurdish rebels in 91' and let them die pretty quick, we didn't care back then. Why do all the sudden we care now?

Let's look at the facts. Saddam hasn't really done anything wrong in the past 10 years. Where is all of the aggression? Where are the Weapons of Mass destruction? We are these Dual Use facilities that Colin Powell presented? The UN MOVIC team can't find any evidence of these. We even made our own WMD Search teams leave because we don't have any other places to look!

Saddam sucks, but I mean. Look at Rwanda, the Genocide was on such as massive scale that it was more intense than the Nazi Extermination camps... A lot of people caring about that one... Or Checyna, yup..... a lot of people doing a lot about that situation...

We never went to Iraq to free anyone... We went there for George Bush.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Philippine Mango

Originally posted by: Harvey
According to the CIA's final report, there were no WMD's in Iraq.

I'll say it again. There were no WMD's in Iraq.

There were no aluminum tubes capable of being used in centrifuges process nuclear material.

Doesn't matter whether or not they are there or not now because either way he still had them before we invaded. When we invaded/warned to invade, he either buried them or sent them off.

Please apply for special ed classes. Your reading comprehension skills have reached negative numbers. The story at the second link, above, begins:

Report: No WMD stockpiles in Iraq
CIA: Saddam intended to make arms if sanctions ended

Thursday, October 7, 2004 Posted: 10:50 AM EDT (1450 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Saddam Hussein did not possess stockpiles of illicit weapons at the time of the U.S. invasion in March 2003 and had not begun any program to produce them, a CIA report concludes.

In fact, the long-awaited report, authored by Charles Duelfer, who advises the director of central intelligence on Iraqi weapons, says Iraq's WMD program was essentially destroyed in 1991 and Saddam ended Iraq's nuclear program after the 1991 Gulf War.

Bush lied? :shocked: NO SH8!!! :|

The report was released nearly two years ago to the day that President Bush strode onto a stage in Cincinnati and told the audience that Saddam Hussein's Iraq "possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons" and "is seeking nuclear weapons."

"The danger is already significant and it only grows worse with time," Bush said in the speech delivered October 7, 2002. "If we know Saddam Hussein has dangerous weapons today -- and we do -- does it make any sense for the world to wait to confront him as he grows even stronger and develops even more dangerous weapons?"

Speaking on the campaign trail in Pennsylvania, Bush maintained Wednesday that the war was the right thing to do and that Iraq stood out as a place where terrorists might get weapons of mass destruction.

"There was a risk, a real risk, that Saddam Hussein would pass weapons or materials or information to terrorist networks, and in the world after September the 11th, that was a risk we could not afford to take," Bush said.

Why do I suspect you never actually read the info at any of the links in my post? :roll:

Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
IMMORAL IMMORAL!? What the fvcking hell are you talking about? Are you so stupid to say that the men and women who died during the uprising in '91 were IMMORAL!? Are you saying that all the people who "didn't obey" saddam were IMMORAL!? What kind of fvcking person are you!?!

I said the deaths and wounded of OUR troops were in pursuit of illegal, immoral actions of their commander in chief. Please deal with your own functional illiteracy before you start screaming about anyone else's immorality.

Yes I know it sucks that our men have died in this war but it was OUR fault for bring him to power in the 70's and it's OUR job to get this lunitic out of power.

So you're saying that, in addtion to the ends justifying the means, one bad turn deserves another, and Bush had to lie and take further illegal, immoral actions to clean up after our government's previous stupidity.

We know there's a bell shaped curve for IQ. Thank you for occupying the low end of it. It makes everyone else look so much brighter. :laugh: