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EagleKeeper

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It is easier to tear down something than rebuild or put on a plan for rebuilding.

This way when something does not work out, one can point the finger and walk away.
If something does work, every-one is so happy, that they forgive the nay-sayers.
 

Steeplerot

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Originally posted by: ColdZero
I didn't ask about being God, or winning the lottery. I asked what you would do about Iraq.

I'm going to venture a guess but I don't think you've thought about that at all. In the real world, where the rest of us live, we need to deal with consequences. Your main goal is "Protest Bush" and "Protest what Bush does." Without any thought as to what your suggestions would do. Leaving Iraq is NOT an option, if you can't see that us picking up and leaving would do WAY more harm than good, then I don't know what to tell you.

Being a "regular" poster does not mean anything if the vast majority of them are insults. Just because you have a bigger voice doesn't increase the quality of what you say. I will not waste my time searching for your posts if they are all of this caliber.


You are not worth responding to with your flamebaiting.
Get educated and informed or go troll elsewhere :cookie:
 

Steeplerot

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Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
It is easier to tear down something than rebuild or put on a plan for rebuilding.

This way when something does not work out, one can point the finger and walk away.
If something does work, every-one is so happy, that they forgive the nay-sayers.

If this does get torn down there are many alternatives.
I don't see what is wrong with our current constitution actually, just need the corporate influence purged in a nice clean slice.
With the manipulators gone the asleep people will wake up as ignorance in here shows these people are the tail that wags the dog for them.
 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
It is easier to tear down something than rebuild or put on a plan for rebuilding.

This way when something does not work out, one can point the finger and walk away.
If something does work, every-one is so happy, that they forgive the nay-sayers.

If this does get torn down there are many alternatives.
I don't see what is wrong with our current constitution actually, just need the corporate influence purged in a nice clean slice.
With the manipulators gone the asleep people will wake up as ignorance in here shows these people are the tail that wags the dog for them.

And how would you propose handling the item bolded.

Heading toward a socialist utopia?

 

ColdZero

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I'm not flaimbaiting at all. I seriously would like to know what you would do. I don't know why you skirt around an issue you profess to be so adament about. I'm trying to be informed about your position on the topic. For somebody who is telling me I am not educated about this topic and is declaring that they are, you certainly aren't helping any of us "uneducated" folk learn anything. Or perhaps an intelligent conversation without belittlement is beyond you. I'm sure you'll tell me to go troll some place else and that I'm an idiot again though.
 

ColdZero

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Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
It is easier to tear down something than rebuild or put on a plan for rebuilding.

This way when something does not work out, one can point the finger and walk away.
If something does work, every-one is so happy, that they forgive the nay-sayers.

If this does get torn down there are many alternatives.
I don't see what is wrong with our current constitution actually, just need the corporate influence purged in a nice clean slice.
With the manipulators gone the asleep people will wake up as ignorance in here shows these people are the tail that wags the dog for them.

And how would you propose handling the item bolded.

Heading toward a socialist utopia?

Oh damnit, there you went trying to start an intelligent conversation on a topic. You should know that you're never going to get one from Steeplerot.
 

Steeplerot

Lifer
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Originally posted by: ColdZero
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
It is easier to tear down something than rebuild or put on a plan for rebuilding.

This way when something does not work out, one can point the finger and walk away.
If something does work, every-one is so happy, that they forgive the nay-sayers.

If this does get torn down there are many alternatives.
I don't see what is wrong with our current constitution actually, just need the corporate influence purged in a nice clean slice.
With the manipulators gone the asleep people will wake up as ignorance in here shows these people are the tail that wags the dog for them.

And how would you propose handling the item bolded.

Heading toward a socialist utopia?

Oh damnit, there you went trying to start an intelligent conversation on a topic. You should know that you're never going to get one from Steeplerot.


:roll: yeah I am going to discuss my ideas of social utopia with pro-military industrial complex kool-aid drinkers.
Try making your own thread this one is about the protest in SF, or like I said use the search function I do not owe a sub-200 post troll repeating myself over and over.....:cookie:
If you want to know why AGAIN try reading this before spamming my threads endlessly with stuff you could find yourself.
If you didn't notice one of the first sentences of the post says : Why We Say Bring the Troops Home Now! :roll:
(in other words go crap someone elses thread to up your post count.)
 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: ColdZero
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
It is easier to tear down something than rebuild or put on a plan for rebuilding.

This way when something does not work out, one can point the finger and walk away.
If something does work, every-one is so happy, that they forgive the nay-sayers.

If this does get torn down there are many alternatives.
I don't see what is wrong with our current constitution actually, just need the corporate influence purged in a nice clean slice.
With the manipulators gone the asleep people will wake up as ignorance in here shows these people are the tail that wags the dog for them.

And how would you propose handling the item bolded.

Heading toward a socialist utopia?

Oh damnit, there you went trying to start an intelligent conversation on a topic. You should know that you're never going to get one from Steeplerot.

I was out of coffee and the brain had not shifted out of neutral:eek:

 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: Steeplerot
If you didn't notice one of the first sentences of the post says : Why We Say Bring the Troops Home Now! :roll:
(in other words go crap someone elses thread to up your post count.)

When you leave with a job half done, it takes twice as long to finish it and four times the cost.

 

Steeplerot

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yeah such intellegent conversation you have made asking me the same question
that has been adressed without reading and asking me for sources instead of finding out for your own lazy self.
Maybe AOL chatrooms would be more your style "rightwingteen4u" seems more appropriate for your idea of "intelligent conversation"
 

ColdZero

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Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Originally posted by: ColdZero
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
It is easier to tear down something than rebuild or put on a plan for rebuilding.

This way when something does not work out, one can point the finger and walk away.
If something does work, every-one is so happy, that they forgive the nay-sayers.

If this does get torn down there are many alternatives.
I don't see what is wrong with our current constitution actually, just need the corporate influence purged in a nice clean slice.
With the manipulators gone the asleep people will wake up as ignorance in here shows these people are the tail that wags the dog for them.

And how would you propose handling the item bolded.

Heading toward a socialist utopia?

Oh damnit, there you went trying to start an intelligent conversation on a topic. You should know that you're never going to get one from Steeplerot.


:roll: yeah I am going to discuss my ideas of social utopia with pro-military industrial complex kool-aid drinkers.
Try making your own thread this one is about the protest in SF, or like I said use the search function I do not owe a sub-200 post troll repeating myself over and over.....:cookie:
If you want to know why AGAIN try reading this before spamming my threads endlessly with stuff you could find yourself.
If you didn't notice one of the first sentences of the post says : Why We Say Bring the Troops Home Now! :roll:
(in other words go crap someone elses thread to up your post count.)

Dude....I don't even like koolaid.

Yea I read that, it being the first post in this whole thing and all. And it says nothing more than bring the troops home right now not tomorrow. It does not say or explain what the obvious ramifications of that action would be.

So...

Do you think if we pulled out of Iraq today that tomorrow Iraq would be stable? All of the people who support the old regime would just give up and start working with the newly elected officials?
 

Steeplerot

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Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
If you didn't notice one of the first sentences of the post says : Why We Say Bring the Troops Home Now! :roll:
(in other words go crap someone elses thread to up your post count.)

When you leave with a job half done, it takes twice as long to finish it and four times the cost.


And what gives you the right to say the Iaqis need your "job" done?
What job? blowing them up?
You are just pissed becasue your idea of saving $$$ is not on the table. -Just nuking them.
 

Sphexi

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"pro-military industrial complex kool-aid drinkers"



LOL

So very crunchy. No mention of the corporate machine in there? I'm disappointed.
 

Steeplerot

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Originally posted by: ColdZero

Do you think if we pulled out of Iraq today that tomorrow Iraq would be stable? All of the people who support the old regime would just give up and start working with the newly elected officials?


Why We Say Bring the Troops Home Now!


1) Self-determination for the Iraqi people
The Iraqis have shown they want no foreign, imperial forces to be the arbiters of their political and economic process. They would disagree with those who claim the Iraqis are not "up to the task" of building an independent Iraq. They would rightly believe that this argument is based on conscious or unconscious paternalism and even racist stereotyping.

The Iraqi people have a fundamental right to determine their own destiny. Iraq has been nominally independent for eighty years. Since 1958, when a mass uprising overthrew the British-imposed king, Iraq has been a genuinely sovereign country. Only through an illegal invasion and occupation imposed with the use of almost limitless violence could the U.S.- British alliance end Iraqi self-rule and seize nationalized Iraqi oil.

2) The UN history of war on Iraq
Given the UN's record in Iraq over the past thirteen years, why would the Iraqi people agree that this same UN should be the institution to serve as the guarantor in a transition to renewed sovereign control?

There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that the UN will suddenly stand up to U.S. pressure after having failed to do so for thirteen years. This opinion is confirmed by the recent comments of Dennis Halliday, a former UN Humanitarian Coordinator for Iraq:

"The West sees the UN as a benign organization, but the sad reality in much of the world is that the UN is not seen as benign. In Iraq, the UN imposed sustained sanctions that probably killed up to 1 million people. Children were dying of malnutrition and water- borne diseases. The U.S. and UK bombed the infrastructure in 1991, destroying power, water and sewage systems against the Geneva Convention. It was a great crime against Iraq. Thirteen years of sanctions made it impossible for Iraq to repair the damage. That is why we have such tremendous resentment and anger against the UN in Iraq. There is a sense that the UN humiliated the Iraqi people and society.

"I would use the term genocide to define the use of sanctions against Iraq. Several million Iraqis are suffering cancers because of the use of depleted uranium shells. That's an atrocity. Can you imagine the bitterness from all of this?" (Sunday Herald, Aug. 24, 2003)

3) The soldiers want to come home
Many U.S. soldiers were willing to risk death and injury because they believed the president when he said that Iraq posed a grave and imminent danger to the people of the United States. Having learned that this was in fact a lie, the idea of sacrificing even one more life becomes too much to bear. Why should U.S. soldiers or any foreign soldiers be put in a situation where they must kill and be killed for an illegal and immoral occupation? These soldiers want to come home, not tomorrow, but today. Neither we nor they created this crisis. The Bush administration did not speak for the people when it carried out its illegal, reckless and criminal endeavor.





It is not our buisness what they do we have ruined that country enough with saddam and now blasting it to bits to remove our mistake. It's their job to work on their own, let me guess you are one of those racists that think arabs are too stupid to do what every other country can do and big daddy imperialist US has to hold their hand becasue we are so superior. ..right. keep dreaming you are either lying to yourself or to us if you deny this is about something else...something darker and more oily.



Now kindly piss off you are sounding like a broken record and just encouraging flamebait until you can come up with a original idea that I cannot find on some pentagon propaganda site.
 

Sphexi

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1) Self-determination assumes that ALL of the Iraqi people have a voice in such decisions, which they have not since Saddam and his family has been in power. Because of that, Iraq had no such thing as self-determination, we've given them that. If we leave now what's left of his forces and all of the foreign fighters who have crossed over to fight us will simply march into Baghdad and take over, free Saddam, and put him back in charge, thus erasing any tiny bit of self-determination the Iraqi people currently have.

2) The UN doesn't wage war, they don't have an army. The UN is mostly a group of whiners and politicians who like delaying real action because of the special interests of their own countries, at this point the UN is pretty much a joke, not to be taken seriously.

3) Of course the soldiers want to come home. Are you that stupid? Do you really think that there's any war out there they'd want to be in? They're there because they said they would be, not because they want to be. There's a HUGE difference between doing something because you want to, and doing something because you know you have to. The troops over there now understand that what they're doing is their duty, when it's time to come home they'll come home.


Crunch crunch.
 

Steeplerot

Lifer
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You really believe that tripe?
:roll: You people believe any lies that are passed down I see and are not worth my time.
here
WMD
FEAR
ISLAMOFASCIST UNDER YOUR BED!
SHINING BEACON OF FREEDOM
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
GOGO USA!
now can you kindly take your BS elsewhere you sound like newscasters vomiting
your us propaganda filith in here.
 

Sphexi

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Good response, rather than argue my point and give actual facts to back yours up, you simply give up.

Long live the ways of crunch, weak-willed and spineless.
 

Steeplerot

Lifer
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just like your president and his pawns killing civillians, weak-willed and spineless.
Here's a :cookie: e-thug.
 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
If you didn't notice one of the first sentences of the post says : Why We Say Bring the Troops Home Now! :roll:
(in other words go crap someone elses thread to up your post count.)

When you leave with a job half done, it takes twice as long to finish it and four times the cost.


And what gives you the right to say the Iaqis need your "job" done?
What job? blowing them up?
You are just pissed becasue your idea of saving $$$ is not on the table. -Just nuking them.

We entered the country to remove a dictator and allow the country to rebuild politically, economically and security wise after the damage that was done over the past 20+ years.

Are you proposing that we pull out and allow the situation to become like the Balkans or Central Africa, run by warlords intnet on committing genocide.

If that is the case, then within 2-5 years, people will be screaming at us for either leaving the country in such a mess and/or not doing enough to stop the damage to the civilian population by the warloards.

If you are not demanding that we pull out unconditionally then what?

 

Sphexi

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LMFAO


Can you actually read, or do you have the normally assumed liberal selective vision? Must be one of the two, because you obviously didn't read what I said at all.
 

Sphexi

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: Sphexi
I dunno, I bet he could take you in a 1-on-1 :)

LOL @ the e-tough guy...

Do you need a dictionary to see the difference between "he" and "I"? And the tough guy in this case would be the President, not me :)


Seems we have double the crunch now, just as well because I'm kinda hungry and Crunchberries sound kinda good.